User talk:Tsubasa16

Welcome
Hi, welcome to ! Thanks for your edit to the Death-Force Manipulation page!

Please leave a message on my talk page if you need help with anything! Kuopiofi (talk) 01:28, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

When you add to pages, please use Alphabetical order. --Kuopiofi (talk) 10:23, February 11, 2015 (UTC)

Nigh Omnipotence
Please read the definition and especially Limitations of N-OP. Basically if the user is omnipotent not including single limitation, they are this, if it means that they can do everything else but not remove someones free will it's N-OP. If they are omnipotent in their own dimension it's N-OP.

And that definitely includes CA. --Kuopiofi (talk) 12:57, February 13, 2015 (UTC)

Sounds like Change Embodiment. DYBAD (talk) 09:52, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

It's basically the same thing, as you realize. DYBAD (talk) 10:17, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Change Embodiment was originally just "Change", it was renamed as "Embodiment" because "Change Manipulation" didn't actually mean much. The power is ultimately as much about changing things as it is about controling change, and those with power of change in its rawest form are usually aspects/expressions of it anyway (makes sense, only credible origin for such a power). DYBAD (talk) 10:28, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Transmutation
Aside of metaphysical side, Transmutation covers the other side. --Kuopiofi (talk) 11:01, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Transmutation is defined as "transform, alter or transmute matter, energy, elements, objects, beings (animals, aliens, mythical beings, etc.), etc into anything else", which covers the first part. Logic Manipulation does the same with logic. We did have Concept Creation at some point, but it seems to have been deleted.

Basically you have the parts that allow transformation of physical matter and logic, only concept transformation is missing. If you do this power, just add them as Sub-powers. --Kuopiofi (talk) 12:41, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Transmutation and Logic Manipulation can be considered sub-power/part of the power you're thinking about, since they transform matter/energy and logic respectively. --Kuopiofi (talk) 14:48, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Might want to consider the name, but yes. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:04, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Never been good at naming things... --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:21, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Life/Death Lordship sound good to me, and I don't think we have such powers yet. DYBAD (talk) 23:57, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Yes. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:19, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

users for those 2 new powers
The life entity for life lordship and nekron for death lordship.SageM (talk) 00:08, February 17, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Remember to add categories
Is it seriously that hard to remember to add categories to your new pages? Add them before finishing the pages.SageM (talk) 06:50, February 17, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Life lordship: Better life entity pic.
When you add the life lordship I have a better pic of the life entity then one on the site that actually shows it using its powers. here it is-

Use this one insteadSageM (talk) 07:09, February 17, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Sorry to bud in, but I may be able to help with a alternate name for Absolute Change, how does Absolute Reconstruction sound. TheRavageBeast (talk) 10:58, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, but ti could still be put in Also Called. TheRavageBeast (talk) 11:07, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

Or how about Absolute Adjustment/Readjustment,  those are some I came Up with. TheRavageBeast (talk) 11:14, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

New Power
I know you're exited of having a new power that's popular, but consider what powers are most meaningful to the concept you're after and drop the rest, otherwise you're making massive list and then it has to be cut down to basics anyway.

Also note that adding any of the major powers of Omnipotence (top of Applications, before specific examples) are something you don't go adding into other powers. --Kuopiofi (talk) 12:57, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

Take a good look on which of those Applications are the most important to the Absolute Chance and remove the rest, otherwise you're making massively long list and those get cut down.

And no Omnipotence into other powers Applications, even other Omni-powers are iffy. Go for Nigh-powers instead. --Kuopiofi (talk) 13:03, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

The exception are usually variations of OP, which AE frankly should be. There's only one OP in any verse, if there's two or more on the top they are N-OP because their limitation is that they can't destroy each others.

Right now that's the only difference between other Fire Manipulation Variations, so yes. --Kuopiofi (talk) 14:20, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

If by nearly all you mean Absolute Existence, Perspective Manipulation and Logic Manipulation, that's three of 18. AE should be OP Variation, PM and LM need re-checking for that part.

Regardless, no OP. Getting OP by using AC would be like getting full Fire Manipulation when you start with nothing but Fire Transmutation. --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:53, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

Absolute Change
Just want to ask, how can Difference Manipulation an application of Absolute Change since by definition change means "becoming different". --Blackwings369 (talk) 16:13, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

If something doesn't become different from its original form, you can't call that change. And I also like to hear more about other meanings, specifically. --Blackwings369 (talk) 16:27, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, but all of those examples fall right under Difference Manipulation; so long as you make something different than what it originally is, it "becoming different" already.

Let me ask you this question : You use Absolute Change to change something, how do you know if that things has changed if not because of the differences before and after you use Absolute Change? --Blackwings369 (talk) 16:47, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

It's okay, I understand, Difference Manipulation has one Also Called name as Change Manipulation, so I think Absolute Change is a more powerful version of it. Thank for your answer. --Blackwings369 (talk) 17:05, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

Are you aware what's the difference between being other power's Sub-power or Variation and having that power as Application? CM is Variation of OP, OM is Sub-power of OP and Perfection has it in Associations. They don't have OP as Application. Check Page Creation and Details for those terms.

And the answer is no. Stop asking. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:25, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

There's no definite number, but generally speaking if they start taking most of the screen height you got too much. Right now they cover 'bout half, so you could probably add some more, but it's getting there.

Might want to concentrate on the quality of those links more than quantity. Basically, which of those Applications are most relevant for the power, and which aren't that meaningful. --Kuopiofi (talk) 12:40, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Scroll Applications to the top of the screen and look how much is left below them.

And please stop adding "without limits", it's already clear from the description and adding it just look like you're trying to to make the point far too obvious. --Kuopiofi (talk) 13:33, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Concepts are basically ideas/defenitions. Absolute change manipulates actual changes and not concepts.

Death horseman94 (talk) 17:44, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe you can, but its not the purpose of the power, its about changing anything, rather than manipulating concepts.

Death horseman94 (talk) 17:49, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

I never saw those, they will be some reason behind the powers you listed being conceptual. So anyway what kind of conceptual stuff can absolute change manipulate.

Death horseman94 (talk) 17:56, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

It was a question. Now you gave me a description, it sounds like AC does fit as a conceptual power then. Also seeing that the page itself has Concept Manipulation as an application help too.

Death horseman94 (talk) 18:06, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Because restoring something to it's original state is to heal it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:43, February 19, 2015 (UTC)

Absolute Thievery
Sure.SageM (talk) 23:58, February 20, 2015 (UTC)SageM

no, that isn't a possible application of the power.SageM (talk) 01:52, February 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Absolute Thievery: emotion absorption/separation
Emotion Separation works better then emotion absorption, since it can be used to absorb and negate emotions. plus you actually are separating the persons emotions with absolute thievery, not merely absorbing them. Plus you listed emotion absorption twice. ^^;;SageM (talk) 02:33, February 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Absolute change? its a good power ^^

Dungeon Manipulation
How would it differ from the basic Architecture Manipulation? --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:15, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

Might want to drop that Domain part.

Summoning as Application maybe, to get those monsters.

Have you checked TV Tropes for ideas about different dungeons? Mobile Maze might give you some ideas. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:20, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

Might as well, check AM for how it could look like. --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:30, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

Absolute Thievery, only one possible limitation
Actually it doesn't matter if you have power anchoring or not, absolute thieves can steal from you. Thief has stolen from both chaos and sarda. both of whom have power anchoring. there is seriously only one limitation to this power, and thats omnilock. Since all an absolute thief has to do is steal the concept of power anchoring and they can steal their powers. I am trying to be rude or anything but seriously unless you are omnilocked there is no possible way to avoid the effects of absolute thievery, power anchoring or no.SageM (talk) 19:53, February 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Maybe, let me think about it and I will get back to you.SageM (talk) 19:59, February 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Immutability doesn't matter really since its just considered a sub-power of power anchoring, non existence has nothing to do with this power and not sure about omni-negation, and this power can defeat even Meta Power Manipulation(in fact it can defeat all forms of manipulation)by the simple act of stealing the concept of Stealing/Theft. Read the comment I posted on the AT page so you know what I am talking about. ^^ still trying to decide about Absolute Restoration, I am working on 4 different things at once so it will take a while to decide.SageM (talk) 20:18, February 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM

AT: Concept of theft
Stealing and theft go further then just what we know of, free radicals steal by stripping electrons, our bodies steal calories in order to keep going, the air we are breathing we are technically stealing from the planet, the commandment- "Though Shall Not Steal" doesn't really mean anything since we are all constantly stealing something in our lives, whether or not were aware of it. But if you steal the concept of stealing and theft, then none of those things would work, existence literally couldn't function properly anymore. and various forms of manipulation powers have to do with stealing at some level or another.

Does that explain things better?SageM (talk) 20:37, February 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM

I forgot to mention that not even Non-existence would work, since one of AT's users is able to steal from nothingness itself, thus she could bring back AT even if was erased. Seriously thats what she is able to steal from, its literally described that way in the webcomic there from.

As for the other 3 powers I will let you know.SageM (talk) 20:48, February 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM

One of the users, Roxy from Homestuck, has the power to steal from Nothingness, allowing her to steal anything back that has been erased or removed. Also you have to remember that logic doesn't mean squat to Absolute Thievery, after all Thief can steal himself or steal his own soul back from the dead even if he is dead, rules literally don't apply to an Absolute thief, since they can just steal them too....SageM (talk) 21:03, February 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM

I will answer your question with a quote from the Logic Manipulation page-

"Everything is possible, whether it makes sense or not."

Thats basically the best way to describe Absolute Thievery, the power isn't supposed to make sense, it just works whether or not we believe. After all these are characters who steal things that shouldn't be possible to steal. ^^;;;SageM (talk) 21:22, February 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Dungeon
I don't know how you do it, but when ever you do something on Dungeon Manipulation, it messes completely Architecture Manipulation link on top. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:18, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

Absolute Change seems perfect, hard to think of an alternate good name. And yes, as a sub-power EL fits. DYBAD (talk) 23:47, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

We already have White Water Manipulation, which covers all states of water. --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:11, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

Just add her to White Water with notion that she's limited to rain. --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:20, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

It's only a sub-power in terms of field/logic, a writer could credibly have EL overpower AC in his story (the AC user being also an entity him/herself). DYBAD (talk) 06:44, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

Sounds interesting, and I don't think we have such a power yet. Better check out to make sure of it beforehand though. DYBAD (talk) 07:39, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

Invincibility
Variation of Selective Invulnerability. Go for it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:43, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

Absolute Melting as a variation of Absolute Burning ? Melting things down instead of incinerating them ? Reminds me of an episode of Heroes, in which Sylar melted objects and even people without burning them. DYBAD (talk) 23:29, February 25, 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps you should consider not monopolizing my attention so much ? ^ ^; DYBAD (talk) 03:55, February 26, 2015 (UTC)

Mechanical Wing Manifestation
Technically usable idea, but it's pretty close to Ferrokinetic Wing Manifestation... as long as you make it clear they're made from mechanics/technology. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:24, February 26, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your understanding :) So, what would Red Strings do ? I more or less get that they connect people in a fate-like way, but what would it look like as a power ? DYBAD (talk) 20:45, February 26, 2015 (UTC)

Not really, no. But some may ask admins in case of issues (like, existence of a page that already covers it or whatnot) that the page may cause. But no, it's not really needed Gabriel456 (talk) 00:26, February 27, 2015 (UTC)

yeah, tell me what you have for it Gabriel456 (talk) 00:49, February 27, 2015 (UTC)

Red String can be broken.....
Actually Touma Kamijou can break the red string of fate via his Imagine Breaker, its literally stated in the LNs that is the reason why so many girls fall for him. So you might want to add that it can be broken by omni-negation.SageM (talk) 00:56, February 27, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Another limitation are users of Bond Destruction. since they can break it as well.SageM (talk) 01:13, February 27, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Well, if you can emphasize the difference between the two powers, you could make it Gabriel456 (talk) 01:44, February 27, 2015 (UTC)

Wow, it sounds even more controversial than Gender Lordship ^ ^; DYBAD (talk) 01:13, February 28, 2015 (UTC)

Makes sense, and it does sound like an interesting power. Just prepare for hot arguments with more idealistic users ^ ^ DYBAD (talk) 01:20, February 28, 2015 (UTC)

Doesn't change the facts of what you're been doing. If you want to make power, you can make it without asking anyone. This is true.

But if you ask Admin if you can make a power and they say no, hopping to next admin to ask if they'd allow it... well, that really gives impression that you don't really care about their opinion and only want their backing. --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:39, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

Oversights happen, don't worry about it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 09:02, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

Melting
I really couldn't make any sense about most of what you wrote...

Most Manipulations already have ability to control, shape or manipulate the substance/matter/concept, melting or similar appearance of what melting does is one part of that. In other words, they can make the substance they control appear liquid/running either by making it running or using Solidification to get it into liquid form.

And if you were asking if you can add melting into pages that don't already have it, please don't. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:42, March 5, 2015 (UTC)

No. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:21, March 5, 2015 (UTC)

Check
Just to check if it's something on my end or more global problem: is there something wrong with Google right now? It hasn't been working for me for maybe hour now, and quite a few other pages are out too. --Kuopiofi (talk) 14:01, March 7, 2015 (UTC)

Never mind, started working right after I posted... --Kuopiofi (talk) 14:07, March 7, 2015 (UTC)

Absolute Lock and Omni-Closure
Yeah, that would be considered as Absolute Lock Manipulation. Also for your previous message, Omni-Closure is the power to close anything, opening things is not part of the power. so your known user wouldn't work, since its closing things only.SageM (talk) 23:36, March 7, 2015 (UTC)SageM

To be honest, I'm surprised we don't have it already Gabriel456 (talk) 01:09, March 8, 2015 (UTC)

I don't see why not, we don't have anything like it already and I think it's pretty valid Gabriel456 (talk) 02:30, March 8, 2015 (UTC)

Watch over all of creation? that would most likely be, Omni-Perception. which is the power to perceive anything and everything. Only a few true users exist with this power.

Is that what you are looking for?SageM (talk) 19:51, March 8, 2015 (UTC)SageM

You mean Omniscience or Absolute Senses? --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:02, March 8, 2015 (UTC)

Not a clue Gabriel456 (talk) 18:38, March 9, 2015 (UTC)

Well, we have Genesis Creation which is different from Creation, if that is what you are going for.

Otherwise, I'm not sure.. Gabriel456 (talk) 19:56, March 9, 2015 (UTC)

Well, I don't really know to be honest. I'm drawing a blank on this Gabriel456 (talk) 20:17, March 9, 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps Origin Embodiment as the name? or in the Also Called? Gabriel456 (talk) 20:29, March 9, 2015 (UTC)

If they're the same thing with different names, that's why we have the Also Called section so it'll work Gabriel456 (talk) 20:41, March 9, 2015 (UTC)

I think Origin Embodiment might be more fitting. I deleted the empty redirect so it should be usable now Gabriel456 (talk) 20:52, March 9, 2015 (UTC)

Huh, it shouldn't do that. I deleted it, so you should be able to use it.

Weird. I can't find a way around it, so you may have to use Genesis Embodiment after all

I don't know. Usually, if a link exists, it'll still prevent it like when you try to create it from scratch. So we can go ahead and try, but I think it may have the same result. Gabriel456 (talk) 21:05, March 9, 2015 (UTC)

that sounds fine to me Gabriel456 (talk) 21:19, March 9, 2015 (UTC)

Category
Remember to add Magical Powers into categories. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:41, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

to be honest, I don't know what else there needs to be Gabriel456 (talk) 23:12, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

Because we already have way too many pointless embodiments and the line has to be drawn somewhere... again. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:24, March 14, 2015 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure we have several of those. I can't remember any names, but I think that checking Destruction, Cosmic Manipulation and Nothingness Manipulation might give you few links. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:37, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

Causality Immunity
The closest thing I can find to that is Causality Negation.SageM (talk) 07:36, April 8, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Sounds most likely. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:39, April 9, 2015 (UTC)

Nothing's stopping you, but people may have other opinions whether they belong there or not. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:56, April 9, 2015 (UTC)

Storybook Mimicrys Immersive technique allows entering into stories, which can be expanded into all forms of fiction. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:46, April 13, 2015 (UTC)

Dimensional Travel with limitation it only works on fictional realities, or at least those the user perceives as being fiction. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:03, April 13, 2015 (UTC)

Which ever you figure fits the concept better. --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:03, April 13, 2015 (UTC)

That or Omniscience. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:45, April 21, 2015 (UTC)

Depends on how you'd use it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:17, April 21, 2015 (UTC)

Omniscience means knowing and understanding everything, while not being present. In other words, they need to have other ways to get to the place they want to go.

Omnipresence means that they are everywhere and can observe everything but not necessarily gain deeper knowledge of the reasons or how/why it works/happens. In other words, they are limited to their own knowledge/senses about what they observe. --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:34, April 21, 2015 (UTC)

That's your choice. --Kuopiofi (talk) 10:28, April 21, 2015 (UTC)

Realm Creation
What do you mean by realm? --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:27, April 24, 2015 (UTC)

I think that's covered by Alternate Reality Creation, Dimension Creation or Personal Domain Creation. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:26, April 24, 2015 (UTC)

Well, since Personal Domains specifically include heaven, I'd say that's pretty strong contester. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:41, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

In that case it could be either of the first two, depending of how separate their creations are from normal reality. If it is part of already existing reality, then it would be Environment Creation. --Kuopiofi (talk) 10:26, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

Sounds like Dimension Creation. --Kuopiofi (talk) 10:42, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

As you know the characters who can do it, it's pretty much for you to decide.

Life Field Projection. --Kuopiofi (talk) 11:19, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

We don't have power with that name.

Answered above, doesn't interest me. --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:24, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

Please don't add message above earlier one, it gets confusing. --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:41, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

Absolute Access
Maybe, not really sure. Since its more of a power to gain access to any location, it doesn't really have much to do with locking/unlocking.

Sorry I didn't answer before, I am busy working on another addition to the wiki at the moment.SageM (talk) 22:13, April 24, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Still not sure if it fits. because absolute lock implies both locking and unlocking, while this power only works one way.SageM (talk) 00:58, April 25, 2015 (UTC)SageM

As you're the one who knows the character, figure it out. I have no idea about what they can do and describing it doesn't help. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:28, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

Check Destruction Applications for the one that fits your idea best.

No. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:51, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

Probably, but seeing that you know them and I don't, why ask me? --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:33, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

Just wondering, what changes did you make to my new Part Manipulation page? Flamerstreak (talk) 00:13, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

Okay then. What did you think of that new power I made, btw? Flamerstreak (talk) 00:38, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

I'll see if I can get the name changed then. Still, I am glad you found it interesting. Flamerstreak (talk) 01:13, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

Meta Time Manipulation
I plan too. But I have a few other pages to make first.SageM (talk) 20:15, April 27, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Pretty sure we do, can't remember names tho'. --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:09, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

I just finished Meta Time Manipulation.SageM (talk) 00:04, April 28, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Heat Aura
Well, we do separate those two anyway, so go ahead. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:28, May 3, 2015 (UTC)

Are you talking about power not to be destroyed? Because we have quite a variety of those. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:37, May 4, 2015 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned, "erased" is in practical terms same as destroyed. Unless by erased you mean removed rom existence on level that even their memory is gone or something similar. --Kuopiofi (talk) 09:26, May 4, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure if we have power that does that, might be a good idea to add that one too. Go ahead then. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:28, May 4, 2015 (UTC)

Might want to go with Erasion Immunity or something similar, most other powers of that kind use that pattern. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:36, May 4, 2015 (UTC)

Well, we have Temporal Erasure, so it fits the theme. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:38, May 4, 2015 (UTC)

That would make sense, yes. Who would be better fitted to resist erasure than the embodiment on nothingness ? DYBAD (talk) 00:32, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

Well, we have Emotion Negation, which gets pretty close.

Seriously, we don't need area effect variation for every power here... --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:13, May 12, 2015 (UTC)

Hello there. What kind of edit did you make on my Descendent Evocation page? Flamerstreak (talk) 01:49, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

Oops! My bad. Thanks!

Also, what do you think of the power may I ask? Flamerstreak (talk) 01:59, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

Why thanks! Flamerstreak (talk) 02:08, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

Have you checked that from few other sources beside Wikipedia? That wasn't there when the page was made and it wouldn't be first time something is added/removed without really checking the facts. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:04, May 14, 2015 (UTC)

Well, if you're drawing from more than one source, I'll return it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:14, May 14, 2015 (UTC)

Shinto Deity/Links
When you add links to outside this wikia, please take a moment to test that those links actually work. http://Takemikazuchi isn't one of those. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:56, May 15, 2015 (UTC)

Hi, just to make sure...

http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Weakness_Inducement

This power can make things such as sunlight a weakness in an opponent, affecting them like how sunlight can harm vampires, right? Flamerstreak (talk) 23:52, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Okay then. Thanks. Flamerstreak (talk) 00:20, May 18, 2015 (UTC)

Actually she can increase anything without limit via combining grow up grow and huge scale together.SageM (talk) 01:59, May 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Omni-consumption
Its the ability to consume and gain nourishment from absolutely anything/everything, matter, antimatter, concepts, natural forces, things that don't count as types of food, etc. I have users for it. but I am saving it for now.SageM (talk) 02:09, May 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Its on a much higher level then even famines powers. they can consume literally anything without limits, whether or not its edible, dangerous or anything else. basically its even higher power then matter ingestion, since matter ingestion only implies the ability to eat whats considered as matter, omni consumption can consume things that aren't considered matter, including energy, concepts and even things beyond that, like eating a black hole if they wanted to.SageM (talk) 02:17, May 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM

I would like to ask you something again if you don't mind. About this...

http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Limitation_Inducement

Does this power limit how, when and where the powers or abilties powers may work or function (as in limiting something to using it at a certain time, how much range it can cover and how long something might be able to handle something as well as who and what it may work on? Just curious. Flamerstreak (talk) 02:35, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

It says on Famines page that he can consume practically anything in the universe, users of omni-consumption can consume things that aren't part of the universe at all, or exist beyond it. Users could eat gods if they wanted or immaterial forces or things beyond that. Hope that clarifies it better for you.SageM (talk) 02:54, May 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM

I'm pretty sure you mean "what". And yes, looks like that. --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:00, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Not exactly the same power...
Actually its different from reality consumption, since that implies you consume all reality at once. this power is different in that user isn't consuming reality, just the various things that make it up. Reality consumptions capabilities need to be changed since the user is just consuming reality itself and nothing else really. All of the users listed only consume reality they don't consume anything else listed in the capabilities. And unicron doesn't even belong on the list. since he doesn't consume reality itself, he just consumes everything in the entire universe one piece at a time, leaving it empty and then moves onto the next universe and continues eating there. He never once consumes reality.SageM (talk) 06:33, May 26, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Immunity Bypassing
Works, tho' name is bit clunky. Related to Defense Break and Shield Penetration I suppose. --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:14, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Nnnott really, as you mentioned it's not really negation... maybe check dictionary for synonyms. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:05, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Immunity Bypassing works, go for it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:30, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Use them/they/etc instead of he/she/etc. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:57, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Alright, I should have definitely asked you about this first before deleting. So everything should be resolved soon, CoolCat123450 (talk) 17:51, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

I really must provide an apology. I was a bit too hasty on deletion and, yeah 3 and 4 should be good CoolCat123450 (talk) 20:08, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

I thought 1 user would be all that is needed to represent the entire game since there was usually many users for each one. That was my bad CoolCat123450 (talk) 20:24, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I might need a bit of help CoolCat123450 (talk) 20:38, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Cool with me CoolCat123450 (talk) 20:51, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Downgrade
Hey sorry to bother you but can you downgrade all of http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:L12345/Character_Sheet_5 powers and add more limitations to what she can and can do

Thanks Nat-chan 21:23, May 31, 2015 (UTC)Natsu Hearfilia

Its for the IG
It has been brought to my attention that she is far TOO OP for the Immortal Garden and I humbly request that you downgrade her severely

Thank you, Nat-chan 21:53, May 31, 2015 (UTC)Natsu Hearfilia

Join the chat
Can you join the chat?

http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Causality_Negation CoolCat123450 (talk) 00:02, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Well, it's complicated to be able to outdo causality but I would just say you're immune to it and any attempt to change your personal causality is negated because you are ahead of it. CoolCat123450 (talk) 00:13, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Really? Who is that user? Flamerstreak (talk) 02:38, June 9, 2015 (UTC)

Okay then. That is good to know. If I may ask, what is with you and VC, anyway? Flamerstreak (talk) 03:15, June 9, 2015 (UTC)

Why do you bring up VC so much when you edit things? Flamerstreak (talk) 03:45, June 9, 2015 (UTC)

Yo, thanks for the edit on my page. Anyway, about VC, I asked about it because you seem to be into anime, and most VC photos you posted have female anime-ish characters. Flamerstreak (talk) 23:51, June 9, 2015 (UTC)

Ah, I see now. So, who exactly is this Polar Night, anyway? Flamerstreak (talk) 23:57, June 9, 2015 (UTC)

Interesting, if I do say so, myself. Perhaps I should look into this. Flamerstreak (talk) 00:36, June 10, 2015 (UTC)

Combat Mode - have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 14:22, June 14, 2015 (UTC)

Magic Mimicry - that'd be Magic Physiology, check Energy Physiology for what it should look like as it's more like those powers than more solid elements. --Kuopiofi (talk) 03:30, June 15, 2015 (UTC)

Divine Banishment-Applications
Actually they would have to be immune to and negate divine powers in order to successfully banish them, as otherwise the divine beings could simply bring themselves back from exile or just kill the user of the power.SageM (talk) 18:18, June 15, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Your power idea.
yeah I know one, Faerie from Seiken Densetsu 3, since at the end of the game she becomes the divine guardian of the Mana Tree.SageM (talk) 18:44, June 15, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Read the transcendent physiology and faery physiology pages to get some ideas.SageM (talk) 18:54, June 15, 2015 (UTC)SageM

You might want to check Causality Manipulation for that one. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:27, June 16, 2015 (UTC)

Supernatural Swordsmanship
Maybe, Supernatural swordsmanship is basically a whole other level above enhanced swordsmanship, users are able to physically impossible things with blades. and far far more. Right now I am planning to post another power before I get around to making it. I will let you know more when I make it.SageM (talk) 23:59, June 16, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Sounds Good.SageM (talk) 20:28, July 2, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Internet
I'm not sure.SageM (talk) 02:28, June 18, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Not internet specifically, but we do have Electrical Transportation for traveling through electricity/electronics and Electronic-Media Jumping comes pretty close to what you're thinking, we might expand it a bit to include internet too. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:38, June 18, 2015 (UTC)

Nothingness Physiology - I think that Nonexistent Physiology gets pretty close to what you're thinking. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:41, June 18, 2015 (UTC)

Nothingness - well, give it a try. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:31, June 19, 2015 (UTC)

Try Energy Physiology. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:37, June 19, 2015 (UTC)

No touch-only powers, we already used quite a bit of time removing existing ones.

Check if we have power that erases target (define "erase") and if we don't have one, create Erase or something similar. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:06, June 19, 2015 (UTC)

Start with the basic power before you start thinking variations. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:33, June 19, 2015 (UTC)

Power to erase would be Destruction, which doesn't have area effect, so if you're interested you could make one for that. --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:54, June 19, 2015 (UTC)

Nonexistent Physiology Already exists.TheTwinkleBeast (talk) 15:52, June 19, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I see... My bad, just looked very similar to Nonexisten Physiology. TheTwinkleBeast (talk) 16:10, June 19, 2015 (UTC)

Its already a power.
Its already a power- Destructive Dominion.SageM (talk) 17:49, June 20, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Well, honestly that part about domain never made sense to me, since I'm pretty sure none of the given Users/Items actually gain domain/dominion over what they destroy/recreate.

Changed things bit to made it more sensible. That what you were thinking? --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:21, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe Association? --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:29, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

Ooops, completely forgot we have Recreation...

Returning DD to earlier form and I think you find Recreation to be what you've been looking for. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:41, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

I'd say add it to Associations.

Depends, does she have complete control over what she recreates? --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:29, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

You figure it out.That's answer to both. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:37, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

Use your own judgement to the problem. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:41, June 21, 2015 (UTC)

What do you think? --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:37, June 21, 2015 (UTC)

It was honest question, tho' also in a sense that Admins don't have every the answers. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:52, June 21, 2015 (UTC)

Absolute Thievery.
Thats basically the whole point of the power.SageM (talk) 20:12, June 23, 2015 (UTC)SageM

That's pretty close to Patronage Empowerment, I think. Just phrased differently. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:30, June 24, 2015 (UTC)

I see your point, have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:22, June 24, 2015 (UTC)

re:Edit undo
Because the scroll box was left with only " ". Yatanogarasu (talk) 18:40, June 25, 2015 (UTC)

Stellar Embodiment - remember to check on how Stellar Manipulation relates to Solar Manipulation and Lunar Manipulation, and use those to relate TE into Solar Embodiment and Lunar Embodiment. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:32, June 26, 2015 (UTC)

Which is why I said you should check how Manipulations I mentioned relate to each other and use those in Embodiments. If Lunar isn't mentioned anywhere in Stellar Manipulation, don't add it into Embodiment. If it is, add it to same place in Embodiments. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:48, June 26, 2015 (UTC)

Say, do you happen to know of any users who have the ability to manipulate coins? Flamerstreak (talk) 22:43, June 26, 2015 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks. Flamerstreak (talk) 23:03, June 26, 2015 (UTC)

Difference between dragon god and transcendent dragons.
Dragon gods and transcendent dragons are two different things. Dragon gods are actual gods. Transcendent dragons are dragons that for whatever reason have reached transcendent/divine status. Compare the other transcendent powers. most of the users are not gods, but normal characters who have godlike abilities, powers and skills.SageM (talk) 23:20, June 26, 2015 (UTC)SageM

There are few powers that already do that. Just can't remember the names outright. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:32, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

Not specifically faint, but cause the loose of consciousness. Metal effect, so Mental Manipulation or Telepathy would be most likely places to look. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:12, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

Neurocognitive Deficit. --Kuopiofi (talk) 09:06, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

Have fun. If someone objects, they won't be shy about it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:52, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

Well, we have Present Embodiment, so give it a try. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:36, June 28, 2015 (UTC)

Say, can I ask you something? Flamerstreak (talk) 13:34, June 29, 2015 (UTC)

About your power, Present Manipulation, it can be like Reality Warping and say, turn a large area of normal, green hills into a mid-sized town or turn a normal city into a city run by intelligent lizards, right? Flamerstreak (talk) 13:40, June 29, 2015 (UTC)

Okay then. Once again, thanks. Flamerstreak (talk) 14:35, June 29, 2015 (UTC)

summoning
I think that would be Meta Summoning, if they can summon anyone and anything.SageM (talk) 21:50, June 29, 2015 (UTC)SageM

If you want confirmation, ask DYAD, since meta summoning is his page.SageM (talk) 22:16, June 29, 2015 (UTC)SageM

You mean she can summon anyone that exist in her world ? Does it applies to other dimensions too ? DYBAD (talk) 22:48, June 29, 2015 (UTC)

She certainly seems to fit. You can add her, if she turns out not to be we can alway change it. DYBAD (talk) 00:08, June 30, 2015 (UTC)

The two do look synonymous in this context. DYBAD (talk) 01:20, June 30, 2015 (UTC)

Re:change
You changed the Manga/Anime subtitle for some reason with some coding. Yatanogarasu (talk) 03:22, June 30, 2015 (UTC)

i know that's common thing in Mythologies, but please no. Way too specific. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:12, June 30, 2015 (UTC)

Return Embodiment - ...no, just simply no... -_- --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:54, June 30, 2015 (UTC)

Aside the fact that we have way too many Embodiments already? Please, just no.

If you can work that into some kind of Manipulation, however... Mind telling what that could be? --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:43, June 30, 2015 (UTC)

Soul Weapon Creation - For various reasons Life-Force Manipulation, Soul Manipulation and Spiritual Force Manipulation share the more general powers between them. They share enough similarities for that. I cave quite extensive explanation of just this thing some time ago, but it's getting late enough here that I'm really not on the best shape to explain it.

So, if you want to go for the idea, make it Life-Force Weapon, check Energy Weapons for what it'd look like, add Spiritual Blade Construction and Spiritual Bow Construction into it and there you go. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:49, June 30, 2015 (UTC)

Have fun.

User creates the thing in Generation/Creation, they don't Manipulate it. That's been the rule/whole point from the start, otherwise that'd just be Manipulation with different name. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:29, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

character powers
I need a little more information on the character and their powers in order to decide.SageM (talk) 22:19, July 1, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Depends on what that spiritual part means, but Nigh Omnipotence is always good starting point. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:27, July 2, 2015 (UTC)

Given that you're the one who has both the source and translation and access to the descriptions of the powers, I'd say you have far better possibilities in figuring out what it is. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:08, July 2, 2015 (UTC)

That'd might be the closest thing, yes. --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:10, July 2, 2015 (UTC)

Just wondering, what do you think of my new Aerobatics power page? Flamerstreak (talk) 23:29, July 2, 2015 (UTC)

Why thanks! Flamerstreak (talk) 23:42, July 2, 2015 (UTC)

Your power idea
there is already a page for various other types of animal transformations, its under Mammal Transmutation.SageM (talk) 00:38, July 3, 2015 (UTC)SageM

haven't a clue Gabriel456 (talk) 22:24, July 3, 2015 (UTC)

Divine Armor - needs bit more explanation.

Wax Wing Manifestation - go for it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:48, July 4, 2015 (UTC)

Definition Manipulation
Definition Manipulation is about the power to manipulate definitions, or how things are defined. doing so completely changes the nature of something into something else. for example change the definition of darkness, now darkness is producing light. and change the definition of light so light is producing darkness.

Think of it this way, without definitions we wouldn't be able to understand the world. Everything that exists is defined by something, this power allows you to manipulate that. Its basically a godlike power without any limitations....

I don't believe it has anything to do with Linguistic Manipulation, since thats more about language then definitions.SageM (talk) 07:01, July 4, 2015 (UTC)SageM

I suppose.SageM (talk) 07:35, July 4, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Actually i did some thinking, and Definition Manipulation is more like a sub-power of Meta Power Manipulation, since everything on this wiki is defined by something. and definitions are more then just words. People, objects, places, concepts, etc, are all defined by something. Without definitions nothing on this wiki could exist. Because of its very nature definition manipulation is the single most powerful ability that could or will ever exist. Because of that, definition manipulation literally doesn't have limitations.SageM (talk) 19:47, July 4, 2015 (UTC)SageM

true.SageM (talk) 20:43, July 4, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Actually everything has a definition. In fact definitions were the very thing in existence, before time, space, matter, energy, life, death, etc. Without definitions there would be no existence. without definitions this wiki wouldn't exist. So yes, definition manipulation is indeed a sub-power of meta power manipulation.

Think about it for a second, every word, name, idea, power, place, concept has a definition. if it didn't have one it wouldn't exist. Nothing can exist without a definition, heck even the word nothing is defined by the lack of something.

Does that clarify things for you?SageM (talk) 20:16, July 7, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Absolute Athleticism
Probably. though its going to be a while before I make the page, since I have a few more to make first.SageM (talk) 02:20, July 6, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Universal Manipulation, Omniverse Manipulation, etc. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:04, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

Sounds plausible. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:12, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

I'm thinking Erasure Immunity and Invulnerability Bestowal. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:30, July 7, 2015 (UTC)

Aerokinetic Immunity --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:14, July 7, 2015 (UTC)

Funnily enough, no. We do have Psammokinetic Immunity which would be GI's Variation. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:03, July 7, 2015 (UTC)

Yes. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:07, July 7, 2015 (UTC)

In a few days probably, I have a some other powers to finish first.SageM (talk) 20:37, July 7, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Yo there, what do you think of my new Strength Handling page? Flamerstreak (talk) 00:06, July 8, 2015 (UTC)

Glad you do. Flamerstreak (talk) 00:14, July 8, 2015 (UTC)

Circadian Manipulation allows manipulation of planets rotation, and that's what is used as placeholder, but other than that we don't have something like that. --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:13, July 8, 2015 (UTC)

Light and Circadian Manipulation are the ones that have been used on this site. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:02, July 8, 2015 (UTC)

Causality Immunity - that's tricky thing. Would it be something on the level of being non-linear being? In other words, existing outside the normal temporal continuum, where cause and effect rule. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:57, July 9, 2015 (UTC)

Non-linear being would be someone who is able to shift in time in a way that lets them ignore the cause/effect rule. That's about as close as I can explain it, most languages just don't deal with possibility of not having causality.

I think you're right, and also possibly being able to make an effect and have reality work backwards to form a cause, if that makes any sense. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:13, July 9, 2015 (UTC)

If you can wrap your head around the concept, have fun.

Absolute Self-Restoration - covered by ultimate form of regeneration. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:28, July 10, 2015 (UTC)

Absolute Accuracy
Its basically an upgraded version of supernatural accuracy, it allows you to hit any target no matter what it is, including being able to hit targets with supernatural reflexes. Its not like homing effect or targeting. since those track your target in order to hit them. this power simply allows you to always hit the target on the first try, regardless if its moving, teleporting, etc. Hope that explains thingsSageM (talk) 01:22, July 11, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Most likely.SageM (talk) 01:30, July 11, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Probably this weekend or next week.SageM (talk) 01:34, July 11, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Maybe not. While I know those myths, they are pretty rare and very few know about them. So if you add him there, we're going to have quite a few people complaining about that and undoing it. Repeatedly. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:41, July 11, 2015 (UTC)

Aside the fact that link is standard feature in those pages, can you find page to him as protogenoi?

Incidentally, please start using italics in when you add Users. I've noted that when you create pages, none of them have italics. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:55, July 11, 2015 (UTC)

Good luck there, it's rare that Eros gets even mention of being once one of the protogenoi. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:12, July 11, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that'll do it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:53, July 11, 2015 (UTC)

Absolute Archery
Actually I plan on making both Supernatural and Absolute Archery, Artemis would fit under Supernatural archery. So far there is only one official user for Absolute Archery. Arjuna from Hindu Mythology is the only possible user for Absolute Archery so far.

I plan to work on them later this week.SageM (talk) 21:31, July 11, 2015 (UTC)SageM

PossiblySageM (talk) 22:03, July 11, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Sounds about right.SageM (talk) 22:30, July 11, 2015 (UTC)SageM

If you don't mind me asking, what do you think of my new Unweighted Movement power? Flamerstreak (talk) 02:16, July 12, 2015 (UTC)

Glad you do. Flamerstreak (talk) 02:20, July 12, 2015 (UTC)

Not a glue, honestly. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:05, July 12, 2015 (UTC)

haven't a clue. Sorry Gabriel456 (talk) 20:46, July 12, 2015 (UTC)

The closest thing I can think of to what your describing is Living Embodiment.SageM (talk) 21:29, July 12, 2015 (UTC)SageM

I hope I am not bothering you with this, but you like the new Unconscious Mobility power I made? Flamerstreak (talk) 19:17, July 13, 2015 (UTC)

Glad you do. I hope I didn't bother you with this. Flamerstreak (talk) 19:24, July 13, 2015 (UTC)

Okay then. That's good. Flamerstreak (talk) 19:31, July 13, 2015 (UTC)

At the very least they're associations to each other. Whether one would allow the other may be more case by case matter. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:18, July 14, 2015 (UTC)

Have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:17, July 14, 2015 (UTC)

Yes. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:24, July 14, 2015 (UTC)

Bit on the specific side, but considering what other objects we already have... have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:32, July 16, 2015 (UTC)

It's great! I like the user of it, too. (The fairy of cameras, I mean) Flamerstreak (talk) 15:05, July 16, 2015 (UTC)

No problem. Flamerstreak (talk) 15:12, July 16, 2015 (UTC)

Judgement Manipulation
Probably. I am going to wait till I hear back from Kuopiofi first before I decide whether or not ot make it.SageM (talk) 00:15, July 20, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Still working on it.SageM (talk) 03:43, July 20, 2015 (UTC)SageM

I saw you made an edit on my latest page. What do you think of my new "Body Storage" power? Flamerstreak (talk) 00:32, July 21, 2015 (UTC)

Why thanks! Flamerstreak (talk) 01:27, July 21, 2015 (UTC)

Please use signature.

isn't that covered by Knowledge Manipulation? It does have "Information Manipulation" in the also called, after allGabriel456 (talk) 00:05, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

Don't know why, but every time you edit Dungeon Manipulation the architecture manipulation on top goes wonky. --Kuopiofi (talk) 10:09, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

Have you checked Data Manipulation, just to see if it doesn't cover what you're thinking? --Kuopiofi (talk) 10:22, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

since you manipulate it, I would think it would include the flow of it.

Otherwise, if there's enough differences go ahead. Sounds like a sub-power of it at the very least Gabriel456 (talk) 13:44, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

that's probably the best name for it Gabriel456 (talk) 13:47, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

Say, can you help me out with something? Flamerstreak (talk) 21:59, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

I am thinking of making a Beginning Dominance power, the opposite of Conclusion Dominance. One of the mods approved. Would the same user for Conclusion Dominance work for the power I want to make? Flamerstreak (talk) 23:10, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

Of course. Flamerstreak (talk) 23:19, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

So, it should work? Flamerstreak (talk) 23:24, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

I see your point. I don't even know why the admin who improved it did so. Say, would a power called Rebirth Inducement, which renews things like a person, a society or even the world itself? Flamerstreak (talk) 23:40, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

I guess I shall make the power, and the other one at a later time. Thanks! Flamerstreak (talk) 00:06, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

So how do you like my new page? Flamerstreak (talk) 01:06, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

I understand. Anyway, glad you like it. Flamerstreak (talk) 01:13, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

Jungle Manipulation
Not sure yet. Asking a mod first before I do anything else. SDPanthera (talk) 10:09, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

Alright, sounds good. I will get back to you once I get a definitve answer. SDPanthera (talk) 10:18, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

Talked with a mod about it, and although its fine to have a Jungle page, technically jungles and forests are the same thing with very little difference. So on basis of that answer, I'm not making a Jungle manipulation page. If you still want to make one yourselves, go ahead. SDPanthera (talk) 12:38, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

Transcendent Machine Physiology
''12. No repeated Editing/Undoing of the same thing. If this becomes problem take it to Comments/Talk and talk it out instead of repeatedly messing with the page.'' --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:12, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

Do you know of a user of a power that involves walking on unstable surfaces like earthquakes steadily and without falling over, despite the intense shaking? Flamerstreak (talk) 15:36, July 26, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks anyway. Flamerstreak (talk) 15:45, July 26, 2015 (UTC)

Can I ask you something? Flamerstreak (talk) 01:19, July 27, 2015 (UTC)

What do you think of the Lightweight Movement page? Flamerstreak (talk) 01:47, July 27, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. BTW, I am thinking of making a power where the user could run on very uneven surfaces, even when running on walls or ceilings. You think I should go for it?

Thanks. BTW, I am thinking of making a power where the user could run on very uneven surfaces, even when running on walls or ceilings. You think I should go for it? I forgot the signature last time. Flamerstreak (talk) 01:54, July 27, 2015 (UTC)

Guess I will, then. Flamerstreak (talk) 02:00, July 27, 2015 (UTC)

Sounds good, go for it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 11:54, July 27, 2015 (UTC)

WI does "create/induce flaws/weak points in their opponents/targets physical structure", so it doesn't affect mind/soul. That said, I think that various Mental Inducements do something like that on mental level, but I honestly can't think any power that is purely about causing mental/spiritual weaknesses.

You might want to check around on the mental powers and if there's nothing like it, have a go. --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:55, July 27, 2015 (UTC)

Sounds usable. Might want to create power that does create mental/spiritual weaknesses as a sub-power for that. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:02, July 27, 2015 (UTC)

I think that single power works. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:15, July 27, 2015 (UTC)

I'd really hate to ask this again, but how do you like my new power? Flamerstreak (talk) 01:42, July 28, 2015 (UTC)

Once again, I am glad you do. Flamerstreak (talk) 01:51, July 28, 2015 (UTC)

As per usual: if she can do it, yes, if not, no. --Kuopiofi (talk) 11:06, July 30, 2015 (UTC)

If she can do it, yes. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:26, July 31, 2015 (UTC)

Yes. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:05, July 31, 2015 (UTC)

We already have that power
We already have Hell-Fire Manipulation.SageM (talk) 04:46, August 1, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Hey
Hey L12345, Would you like to be admin or moderator on my wikia? Its called Brawlers House wikia. http://brawlers-house.wikia.com/wiki/Brawlers_House_Wikia. Basically this wikia is, you can create your own Character, like a Character sheet, and add them to this wikia, to the tournament and put them against other characters. Follow the tournament rules. Sega (talk) (talk) 07:45, August 1, 2015 (UTC)

It's bit hard to explain, but closest would be powers that are extremely close to the Omnipotent Powers category, but not in it.

To put it other way, powers that define some extremely important/powerful area/concept of OP. --Kuopiofi (talk) 14:25, August 1, 2015 (UTC)

Great!
If you Accept, then just edit and ill do my magic Sega (talk) (talk) 16:04, August 1, 2015 (UTC)

Yes of course. Welcome too. Sega (talk) (talk) 16:51, August 1, 2015 (UTC)

In a way those are simply different ways to explain the same idea. --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:24, August 1, 2015 (UTC)

Check
Check your page on the wikia. You are now Moderator Sega (talk) (talk) 17:29, August 1, 2015 (UTC)

we already have it.
We already have that power Wing Blades.SageM (talk) 01:07, August 5, 2015 (UTC)SageM

It's Powers Via Object. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:08, August 6, 2015 (UTC)

Power is in the object, not it's Users. Therefore Known Item in Omniscience. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:14, August 6, 2015 (UTC)

This is the power your thinking of....
This is the power your thinking of- Omnilegence.SageM (talk) 05:19, August 6, 2015 (UTC)SageM

As it's the item that grants the omniscience, it is Almighty Object. As the User doesn't inherently have the OS, it's Known Item of Omniscience.

In other words, it's the Item, not the User who has the power. --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:09, August 6, 2015 (UTC)

It grants omnipotent power, so yes. And by all means. --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:15, August 6, 2015 (UTC)

Which relations? Those between individuals is covered by Relationship Manipulation, bonds/relations between anything by Bond Manipulation. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:34, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Try to find out. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:47, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Well, there you go. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:37, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

What do you think of my new Mass Resurrection power? Flamerstreak (talk) 01:15, August 8, 2015 (UTC)

I know, right? To think that with all the users who have made the many powers in this Wiki, we would have had this power by now. Glad you like it, by the way. Flamerstreak (talk) 02:15, August 8, 2015 (UTC)

It isn't my job to know what she can do, it's yours to figure it out. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:38, August 8, 2015 (UTC)

Omni-Element Manipulation - technically doable, got Users? --Kuopiofi (talk) 10:33, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

I think Oath Embodiment covers that (but I'm not exactly 100% sure, mind you). and even if it isn't, I don't think we have a manipulation for it yet Gabriel456 (talk) 17:03, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead.

No clue how to help on the Pact Manipulation idea, though. (for the same reasons, to be perfectly honest) Gabriel456 (talk) 17:23, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

I really don't know. Can't even think of a name for that Gabriel456 (talk) 17:38, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

Okay then. Thanks for letting me know. Flamerstreak (talk) 17:45, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

oh wait, I found this: Omnidirectional Waves. It does have Omnidirectional attacks in the also called Gabriel456 (talk) 17:47, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

you're welcome Gabriel456 (talk) 17:55, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

the closest power I can think of is Chrono Vision Gabriel456 (talk) 18:14, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

you're welcome Gabriel456 (talk) 18:19, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

Good to know, have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:45, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

Divination. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:59, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

I think so, yes Gabriel456 (talk) 20:01, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

Not sure, but their is one thats similar.
Not sure, but there is a power that combines the two- Elemental Energy Manipulation.SageM (talk) 23:04, August 13, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Say, how do you like my Multitasking power? Flamerstreak (talk) 21:35, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

Same here. Anyway, glad you like it. Flamerstreak (talk) 21:49, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

I think that the new power from today covers that pretty much. --Kuopiofi (talk) 14:29, August 17, 2015 (UTC)

Still sounds pretty close to me, maybe edit the existing one to reflect that there has to be something to be traded/agreed upon to create the deal. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:37, August 17, 2015 (UTC)

Still think it gets bit too close. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:28, August 18, 2015 (UTC)

Put that way it sounds better Have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:48, August 18, 2015 (UTC)

Have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:37, August 18, 2015 (UTC)

Hey there, thanks for the edit on my latest page. Flamerstreak (talk) 22:40, August 18, 2015 (UTC)

not sure, look under here....
Not sure, there are a lot of eating based powers. Check under the Mouth-based powers category for answers.SageM (talk) 00:46, August 24, 2015 (UTC)SageM

No, haven't a clue. Sorry Gabriel456 (talk) 01:03, August 24, 2015 (UTC)

Just search "digestive" and you get quite a few options. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:31, August 24, 2015 (UTC)

Have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:07, August 24, 2015 (UTC)

You can add it to this when I am done....
Well I plan on making a Impossible Physiology page after I here back from Gabriel. so you can probably add it there.SageM (talk) 00:37, August 25, 2015 (UTC)SageM

haven't a clue. sorry Gabriel456 (talk) 22:00, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

Sounds like a variation of power bestowal...
Sounds like some variation of Power Bestowal. I suppose for now you should just add it to power bestowal.SageM (talk) 22:04, August 25, 2015 (UTC)SageM

So, what edit did you make on my Reshaping page? Flamerstreak (talk) 23:57, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, okay then. So what do you think of it? Flamerstreak (talk) 00:01, August 28, 2015 (UTC)

I thought it was pretty cool. Anyway, I'm glad you liked mine. It would be funny to have that kind of thing happen that you talked about, by the way. Flamerstreak (talk) 00:07, August 28, 2015 (UTC)

Something like Letter Empowerment, but instead of empowering user gets powers? --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:16, August 29, 2015 (UTC)

Doable power I'd say. Related to Literary Manipulation on some level I'd say. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:22, August 29, 2015 (UTC)

Go ahead. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:26, August 29, 2015 (UTC)

I'm still on the opinion that we have way too many Embodiments and they really should be weeded out for the more useless ones. But returned anyway. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:42, August 31, 2015 (UTC)

Size would be Size Manipulation, organic growth would be Organic Manipulation or Biological Manipulation. --Kuopiofi (talk) 03:00, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

Causality Manipulation. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:13, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

Causality Manipulation, indeed. By the way, I updated the Causality Transcendence page according to the changes needed mentioned in my comment on july 10 (independant causal system immunizing users from unwanted alterations and super/natural laws), since the mere fact they keep functionning proves some kind of causality is still operating, in a "locked" way that cannot be altered by outside forces. DYBAD (talk) 23:36, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome :) Just a few tweaks and it is fully operational now ^ ^ DYBAD (talk) 23:48, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

Might as well. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:25, September 3, 2015 (UTC)

Yes. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:43, September 3, 2015 (UTC)

Wax Manipulation I'd say, with mention that they're limited to candles. --Kuopiofi (talk) 03:38, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

Sounds something Baron Samedi would have. Give it a go. --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:56, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

Physical Laws
Yeah.SageM (talk) 21:23, September 5, 2015 (UTC)SageM

not that I'm aware of Gabriel456 (talk) 23:03, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

sounds like a page to me. Make it a sub-power of Invulnerability (or at-least variation) and go for it Gabriel456 (talk) 23:11, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

Just wondering...
What do you think of my Torque Manipulation power page? Flamerstreak (talk) 21:51, September 6, 2015 (UTC)

Glad you like it. It was hard for me to understand it at first, too. Flamerstreak (talk) 22:17, September 6, 2015 (UTC)

Not the same. They are not the same to me. However, they DO appear to be too similar to each other. Thanks for letting me know about this. Still, this would happen inside a computer system rather than manipulate reality in a computer fashion, but I am not sure if that changes anything. Flamerstreak (talk) 22:59, September 6, 2015 (UTC)

No, they're not.

Naw, just kidding! They are. Flamerstreak (talk) 23:24, September 6, 2015 (UTC)

Sure you can add them.SageM (talk) 00:22, September 7, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Sounds good.SageM (talk) 00:27, September 7, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Say, what do you think of my new Treadmill Effect power? Flamerstreak (talk) 01:55, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Glad you do as usual, then. Flamerstreak (talk) 02:01, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

I don't know, but probably Gabriel456 (talk) 21:45, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

yeah Gabriel456 (talk) 21:54, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Its more of a variation of Defunct Physiology.SageM (talk) 20:05, September 9, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Weather Generation would probably fit better, since weather manipulation usually manipulates existing weather.SageM (talk) 20:40, September 9, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Hollow physiology means they have nothing inside, not just no heart or soul, but literally nothing, no organs, no bones, no muscles, no tissues, no matter or energy of any kind, they are literally empty of anything and everything inside. think of like a living empty suit of armor, their is nothing inside of it, and their is nothing controlling it. So how can it move if its totally empty? Thats the basic idea behind hollow physiology.SageM (talk) 00:44, September 10, 2015 (UTC)SageM

You can add them if you want.SageM (talk) 00:56, September 10, 2015 (UTC)SageM

yeah.SageM (talk) 00:59, September 10, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Well, dust is on sand mimicry in Variations, and admittedly the difference would be very small, so I'd have to say sand does basically cover it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:43, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for the heads up. Flamerstreak (talk) 04:52, September 12, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe to a degree. Some pictures are drawn, not taken. Flamerstreak (talk) 03:27, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

I guess that could work. Flamerstreak (talk) 03:41, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

Good point, you want to take a go on it? I'm pretty busy today. --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:45, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

Go to Edit-button, left click the down pointing arrow on right, it gives you list of the options including rename, click that and you should be able to figure things from there.

Use Special:Whatlinkshere to find the pages where it's on and change them too. --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:54, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

Say, do you think a power called Board Manipulation would be a too crazy idea? Flamerstreak (talk) 00:51, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

I thought that since there are a different amount of board types, like ironing boards, keyboards, surfboards, skateboards, springboards, etc., I thought it would hurt to make such a power. Maybe it would, after all? Flamerstreak (talk) 01:20, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

Okay then. Just in case he says no, maybe I should try something like Plaster Manipulation or Drywall Manipulation, which are both used for construction purposes? Flamerstreak (talk) 01:37, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

Then, should Board Manipulation fail, I will try Plaster Manipulation. Thanks, L12345. Flamerstreak (talk) 01:51, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

Either Book Jumping or Dimensional Manipulation using books as medium.

We have Sleep Inducement but not one to induce dreams as far as I can tell.

I'd say that Dream Manipulation covers subverting dreams.

Depends whether you mean controlling others via their mind (Mental Manipulation among others) or by controlling their bodies (Motor-Skill Manipulation or Puppet Mastery). --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:49, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

Dimensional Travel using books sounds right.

Go ahead with Dream Inducement.

Since you're the one who knows the character you're talking about, what do you think? If they fit to Dream Manipulation, add them there. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:05, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

Not really.SageM (talk) 06:32, September 15, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Omnipotence Embodiment. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:11, September 18, 2015 (UTC)

Omnipotence Embodiment Gabriel456 (talk) 16:14, September 18, 2015 (UTC)

God Aspects
The Spectre, the Word, The Radiant, The Phantom Stranger are all divine aspects of the Presence from DC Comics. Hope that helps.SageM (talk) 03:01, September 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Not really. but if you want some ideas, just check the Divine powers category.SageM (talk) 04:02, September 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM

That's basically Transcendent Physiology when you aren't tapping into certain deity/pantheon. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:46, September 21, 2015 (UTC)

Got things bit mixed up, but essentially someone using Transcendent Physiologys Mythical Mimicry Variations doesn't need to be immortal/deity, instead simply tapping into those beings power/sphere of influence. So someone drawing power from, say, Aphrodite could use powers that are connected to her, her Domain Warpings.

What you describe is mostly like user of Divine Empowerment using Domain Warping while tapping into fore/idea of certain concept instead of deity. --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:02, September 21, 2015 (UTC)

Omniscience, Nigh Omniscience, Knowledge Manipulation, Answer Manipulation, Truth Manipulation. --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:02, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

Sounds like that. --Kuopiofi (talk) 10:31, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

Sounds interesting, have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:44, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

Sure what r there names of these characters Dragon-Fox 7 (talk)

Never heard of them but if you think thay count then I add them Dragon-Fox 7 (talk)

Sorry I misunderstood but thx for fixing it Dragon-Fox 7 (talk)

Personality Alteration
Personality Alteration only effects others, not oneself. Personality Alteration on oneself is considered to be mindshifting, not personality alteration.SageM (talk) 02:52, September 29, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Doesn't matter, Personality Alteration is only used on others. If you want to add that character you would have to add it to a different power. Since they don't fit personality alteration then.SageM (talk) 03:01, September 29, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Medaka Box
Hello! Let's talk on chat :)The Omnipotent One (talk) 14:14, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

For sure. I'll be on chat.The Omnipotent One (talk) 15:47, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

If by greater powers you mean powers that go beyond the natural abilities, yes. --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:48, September 30, 2015 (UTC)

That's pretty much Absolute Immortality. --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:00, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

Might, that isn't same as "can". --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:05, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

Go for it.

You might want to check Pathfinder RPG's outsider types, one of the true Neutral ones follow the pattern of embodying opposite concepts. --Kuopiofi (talk) 14:34, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe...
Maybe, I would have to do research. I believe there are at least one or two of them, but at the moment I can't recall any specific names.SageM (talk) 00:57, October 4, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Say,

http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Purpose_Manipulation

http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Condition_Manipulation

What do you think of these powers of mine? Flamerstreak (talk) 19:47, October 6, 2015 (UTC)

Glad you do. Know any users? Flamerstreak (talk) 20:13, October 6, 2015 (UTC)

Both. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:46, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

sounds like Curse Removal to me Gabriel456 (talk) 18:04, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

yeah, it might be Madness Embodiment Gabriel456 (talk) 18:04, October 9, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe.
Maybe. I will think about it when I make the page.SageM (talk) 04:11, October 15, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Yo, how are you? Flamerstreak (talk) 22:32, October 15, 2015 (UTC)

Fine, thanks. It seems that it has been rather slow around here, lately. Flamerstreak (talk) 22:48, October 15, 2015 (UTC)

Not sure. but possibly this....
I am not completely sure, but possibly Hybrid Transcendency.SageM (talk) 19:37, October 16, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Lucky you, Sage just made power that straddles that line. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:43, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

You can add them.
You can add them, but I will make sure to double check to ensure they fit the power.SageM (talk) 05:02, October 17, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Just put her on both Meta Time Manipulation and Meta Space Manipulation. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:17, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

Yo there, what do you think of my latest page? Flamerstreak (talk) 23:08, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

You have it? Interesting. Anyway, I am glad you like this one. Flamerstreak (talk) 23:22, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

We definitely don't have a page for either of those. (Unless you count Elemental Generation, but I don't know if that's what you mean)  Gabriel456 (talk) 02:40, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

then no, we don't have it Gabriel456 (talk) 02:53, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

Concept Creation- Go for it

Element Creation- if you can make it different from Elemental Generation, then go for it (I say this because there may be issues with it from other users between the two. may, mind you) Gabriel456 (talk) 23:41, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

I removed them because..
They were removed because they do not actively show these powers they are reported to have.

You can add Fenrir back to Wolfwere Physiology, but not Ouroboros Truth 20:45, October 20, 2015 (UTC) Truth™

While that is true, but remember, in game she dies a lot just like other characters

Hmm how about this go ahead and re-add her, just give her a different description this time stating why she has the power Truth 20:57, October 20, 2015 (UTC) Truth

Sounds great :) nice working with you

Hmm...let me think.... Life and Death Manipulation most likely Truth 15:49, October 21, 2015 (UTC)Truth but the other two choices could count as well

sounds like Life and Death Manipulation to me. Gabriel456 (talk) 16:56, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

That could work. go ahead Gabriel456 (talk) 17:08, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

if they're a user, then go ahead Gabriel456 (talk) 17:11, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

Well, I don't know. I don't know anything about them. that's why I said "if they're users". If they don't ultimately count as a user, then mark the page as fanon.Gabriel456 (talk) 17:30, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

It's great Gabriel456 (talk) 17:36, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

this puts me in a bad position now that I deleted that Snake Embodiment page...

Take this up with Kuopiofi if you want, because I don't think I can answer without putting myself in bad waters, as said above. If he signs off on it, then have fun.

But if you want my opinion, I vote no. These embodiment pages are becoming ridiculous. Then again, what I'm worried about is the potential floodgate for crap like "Feline Embodiment" and "Canine Embodiment", to the point, well again, it becomes beyond ridiculous. Gabriel456 (talk) 19:40, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

there are several powers....
There are several powers, Morality Embodiment, Moral Manipulation, Morality Manipulation and Equilibrium Manipulation.

Hope that helps.SageM (talk) 03:46, October 25, 2015 (UTC)SageM

That sounds like Amorality to me. But it doesn't sound much like a power, if you ask me. But that's just my opinion on it.

and about the balance? Well, Balance comes to mind. other than Balance Embodiment, that's all I can think of. Gabriel456 (talk) 14:08, October 25, 2015 (UTC)

That's bit tricky question, since especially in mythology the line between those gets pretty blurry. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:27, October 25, 2015 (UTC)

I don't see why it wouldn't. Surely, embodying winter would also do that for the user. Gabriel456 (talk) 20:58, October 25, 2015 (UTC)

I don't see why not.Gabriel456 (talk) 21:03, October 25, 2015 (UTC)

you're welcome Gabriel456 (talk) 21:06, October 25, 2015 (UTC)

Not that I'm aware of Gabriel456 (talk) 17:24, October 26, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not really sure myself, to be perfectly honest.. Gabriel456 (talk) 17:33, October 26, 2015 (UTC)

you're welcome. I'm sorry I couldn't be of more help Gabriel456 (talk) 17:37, October 26, 2015 (UTC)

Not a clue. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:25, October 26, 2015 (UTC)

I believe so, yes Gabriel456 (talk) 16:06, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

1. I would say yes

2.I think so, yes Gabriel456 (talk) 20:25, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

I can Answer your question if you'd like me to
The power is called Absolute Access

you're welcome Nat-chan 14:57, October 30, 2015 (UTC)Imouto-tan (User Talk:Imouto-tan)

glad that I could help

That power might be Afterlife Lordship, Samsara Manipulation or Spirit World Lordship

Absolute Lock Manipulation comes to mind, but I don't know if that what you mean.

Sounds like Afterlife Border to me. But if that's not correct, I'm not sure... Gabriel456 (talk) 15:40, October 30, 2015 (UTC)

you're welcome

Oh, I didn't see the previous messages. sounds better than mine :p sorry Gabriel456 (talk) 16:01, October 30, 2015 (UTC)

1) sounds like object connected Meta Teleportation.

2) Life and Death Manipulation. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:34, October 30, 2015 (UTC)

Oh I see :P

Not a glue in that case. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:06, October 30, 2015 (UTC)

In general? Death-Force Manipulation or Necromancy.

though if you mean specifically, perhaps powers like Death Inducement, Resurrection/Reanimation, Undead Manipulation, stuff like that, I can't think of any more.Gabriel456 (talk) 18:17, October 30, 2015 (UTC)

you're welcome Gabriel456 (talk) 18:20, October 30, 2015 (UTC)

Its either Absolute Access or Absolute Lock Manipulation.21:52, October 30, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Afterlife BorderSageM (talk) 00:19, October 31, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Probably Supernatural Survivability.SageM (talk) 01:41, October 31, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Dark World Manipulation.SageM (talk) 02:21, October 31, 2015 (UTC)SageM

What SageM said seems about right. Gabriel456 (talk) 02:31, October 31, 2015 (UTC)

the closest I can think of is Absolute Darkness.

But other than that, haven't a clue. Sorry Gabriel456 (talk) 02:47, November 1, 2015 (UTC)

yes
Yeah, Hellcat Physiology.SageM (talk) 21:25, November 1, 2015 (UTC)SageM

I have no idea, sorry Gabriel456 (talk) 23:03, November 2, 2015 (UTC)

sounds similar to another character...
That character sounds pretty similar to Izanami from Blazblue, who is basically the same.

As for the character, sounds pretty similar to absolute immortality. also paradox existence would be a close second.SageM (talk) 23:00, November 3, 2015 (UTC)SageM

I think so Gabriel456 (talk) 19:13, November 4, 2015 (UTC)

1. I would say Malefic Force Manipulation, but then again we have pages like Life Lordship and Death Lordship, so go for it.

2. I have no idea. We have pages like Supernatural Endurance, but that doesn't seem to endure everything. So...I don't know, sorry

Gabriel456 (talk) 16:21, November 5, 2015 (UTC)

The closest thing we have....
Curiosity Embodiment is the closest thing we have I believe. since fascination/interest and curiosity are two sides of the same coin.SageM (talk) 01:34, November 6, 2015 (UTC)SageM

White Fire Manipulation is probably a close match.SageM (talk) 03:43, November 6, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Undetermined existence and world deletion.
Delete Worlds? Game Over, Boundless Elimination, Nonexistence, Conclusion Dominance are all valid options.

As for Undetermined Existence, users of the power exist in a grey area. they cannot truly be considered as any of the normal categories for existing creatures. that would include amortals as well. You can't consider something that's undefined to fit in to the same listing that would we normally association for living things, an amortal being is still a defined creature. while something that's undefined cannot be considered amortal.

Hopefully that explains it.SageM (talk) 23:52, November 7, 2015 (UTC)SageM

That would be Destructive Dominion then.SageM (talk) 00:11, November 8, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Planet Destruction/Planetary Creation. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:23, November 8, 2015 (UTC)

Life and Death Transcendence/Immunity - we already have bit too many powers covering that general area I think.

Unavertable Death - "permanent death in anyone/anything" --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:13, November 9, 2015 (UTC)

Don't know which to choose or which you'll go for, but go for it Gabriel456 (talk) 16:49, November 9, 2015 (UTC)

We have Sealing, but I don't know about use as weapons. Then again, the capabilities does say "If the sealed object has a power of its own (Mythical Physiology, Powerful Objects, etc.) possessor may be able to tap into that power." so it may fall under that Gabriel456 (talk) 17:23, November 9, 2015 (UTC)

yes, I think so Gabriel456 (talk) 17:54, November 9, 2015 (UTC)

Mass Reduction, Weight Manipulation or Gravity Negation.

Clairvoyance or Dimensional Vision.

Gemstone Manipulation --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:53, November 13, 2015 (UTC)

As those are pathogens, Disease Manipulation. --Kuopiofi (talk) 09:12, November 13, 2015 (UTC)

Probably one of these....
Probably Absolute Sight, Power Level Measuring or Sense of Strength.SageM (talk) 00:13, November 16, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Either Candy Manipulation or Sugar Manipulation.SageM (talk) 04:38, November 16, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Organic Attacks using candy. Closest power to this (as I suspect those aren't that damaging) would be Zap by sugar candy. --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:53, November 16, 2015 (UTC)

Just put it under both, since its both sugar and candy.SageM (talk) 01:11, November 17, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Depends, does she conform to how the power is defined? --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:21, November 18, 2015 (UTC)

Aside of being before life/death, does she have any of the Capabilities amortality is defined with/by. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:05, November 18, 2015 (UTC)

This.
Primordial Entity PhysiologySageM (talk) 23:20, November 18, 2015 (UTC)SageM

probably. But SageM's suggestion could be that as well. But I think it could be Amortal Gabriel456 (talk) 23:25, November 18, 2015 (UTC)

yeah Gabriel456 (talk) 23:33, November 18, 2015 (UTC)

As you know the being in question and her abilities, I'd say it's your decision based on the abilities she demonstrates. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:49, November 19, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe
Maybe. I will let you know when I get around to making it. I have several other powers in the works first before I make it.SageM (talk) 02:16, November 20, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Undetermined existence is a being that operates both inside and outside of the normal classifications of existing beings, users don't seem to fit into a proper category. Something that was never born but is just there is an Amortal being. While an undetermined being can't be defined as having always been there so it cannot be classified as being Amortal.

Here is an example- Chaos is something that has always been there, yet it wasn't born or created so its considered amortal.

Undetermined Existence- something that is there but not there, something that is but also isn't. Things along those lines.

Another way to look at it, think of a shadow, its obviously there and a part of you, but its also not there unless something makes it happen so its existence can't actually be determined. we can't define it without something else to help cause it.

Its a hard power to properly explain which is why its called undetermined existence. ^^;;SageM (talk) 01:13, November 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM

She is more of an amortal.
No, she is more of an amortal being, though in the VC series she can actually die, so she isn't beyond death either.SageM (talk) 01:54, November 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM

The description you gave of her makes her sound more like an amortal being, plus most users of undetermined existence aren't created instead special circumstances lead to their existence and those circumstances are usually impossible to repeat.

Both the users of undetermined existence weren't created, instead events caused them to be the way they are. You said that Cybele was created, but since she transcends boths life and death that makes more of a amortal then a user of undetermined existence.

Does that explain it?SageM (talk) 06:20, November 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM

possible matches
Lets see.... Existence Embodiment, Self Origin Manipulation, Prime Source, Primordial Force Manipulation, and Alpha Reality are all possible matches.SageM (talk) 07:22, November 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM

yes he did replicate it.
Yhwachs page from the bleach wiki-

"Power Intuition: Any power of which he "knows" will become his ally"

Yes, in fact he did replicate it using the power of the Almighty epithet.SageM (talk) 01:54, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM

He used power intuition to copy the power of definition manipulation and use it to protect himself from its effects, but only because he activated the Almighty. if he hadn't then the fight would have ended right there and then.SageM (talk) 01:57, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Hopefully this clarifies things...
You seem to have a misunderstanding of the word Ally, it means he has the power of definition manipulation as an ally to protect himself from its effects. He understands how it works so he can use it to defend himself from it. In other words the only way to defend oneself from its power is to have the power itself, its an ally of his, which is why other users of definition manipulation can't beat him since he would just use his knowledge of it to block it. In other words he is using definition manipulation to defend himself from definition manipulation.

Hopefully that clarifies things. ^_^SageM (talk) 02:05, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Plus Yhwach has a lot of weaknesses even if he can use The Almighty to defend himself, He cannot see or predict the actions of the manifestations of the soul kings arms(Mimihagi and Perrinda), he has to take a break over a certain time period or he starts losing his energy and power. He has to keep killing others and absorbing there souls or he will revert back to his original helpless self.

Yhwach may seem to be all-powerful, but really he is just a lucky concidence that just happens to be the Soul Kings son.SageM (talk) 02:10, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM

How will ichigo win?
Considering he has currently absorbed the soul king and thus has total control over the soul society at the moment it is definitely hard to guess how he will be defeated, hopefully its not some asspull move that Kubo suddenly decided on. If it is I will be PISSED, since I want this series to end on complete note, with everything possible having been tried first before they do something so stupid that the fans decide to lynch kubo.... ^^;;

And considering there are still some bankai's we have yet to see(uraharas, ukitakes, shuheis, and a few others) I hope to see those used up before kubo decides to asspull something that lets ichigo win without effort.SageM (talk) 09:20, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Actually they already showed kenpachis bankai, it was Nozarashi, the giant axe. If you recall before Kenpachis power is so great that his zanpakuto is always in Shikai form. because he can't compress his power to seal it.

Kenpachi is like ichigo, he can't compress his power to keep his zanpakuto out of shikai. thus both ichigo and kenpachi only have bankai's.SageM (talk) 09:33, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM

I also want to know what happened with Konamura and Iba, the last we saw of them was after there defeat of Bambietta. and nothing else has been said of where they are or what happened to them.SageM (talk) 09:40, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageN

Ukitake is currently incapacitated, as Mimihagi was acting as his lungs and without him he can't do anything, so for the moment he is out of action. If we don see him in action again, it probably won't be till near the end of the battle with the vandenreich and yhwach.SageM (talk) 09:53, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM

The soul king is the physical representation of existence, as such he is beyond the rules of reality since he established them in first place. If her power rejected the soul king, then it would be the same as rejecting existence itself. And thus why it can't effect him.SageM (talk) 10:07, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Technically speaking he wasn't killed persay, but more like incapacitated and then absorbed. so in a sense he still exists(pardon the pun)inside of Yhwach. If he did actually die then the series would end right then and there, as existence would fall apart and return to the tide of chaos it was before everything began....SageM (talk) 10:23, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Actually i am pretty sure there one and the same, since aizen was beginning his quest to attain the Oken when he said that, and he wants the oken to reach the soul kings palace and take out god. and existence was given form by the soul king in the first place. if the soul king isn't god, then how did he shape existence in to coherent form. And the arguement that aizen has with urahara before he was sealed pretty much confirms he was talking about the soul king.

^^SageM (talk) 10:33, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Its probably impossible to fathom the mind of a being like the Soul King, but I am guessing that he knew it would happen, since Yhwach stated that the soul king had the same ability to predict things as he does. He probably chose to allow it, after all he is his son.SageM (talk) 10:57, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Sorry but I am going to have to hold off on that, since I am done online for now. I will let you know after I come back on.SageM (talk) 11:02, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM

No we don't. And I'm really starting to wonder if I should take a stance about these (power) Magic things... --Kuopiofi (talk) 11:31, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

We did have that awhile ago, but Kuopiofi deleted it. You'd better ask him why before you try to make it though (to avoid any conflict, of course). In the event he signs off on it, go for it  Gabriel456 (talk) 13:16, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

oh, my bad Gabriel456 (talk) 13:20, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

I could have sworn that I already undid the edit

Go ahead and re add him

Hey, L, i just wanted to ask, would you mind if I make Love Magic? Of course, i would ask Kuo, according to what Gabe said, but yeah. And who is the Character that can do that? Sega Fro (talk) 16:25, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Whats up with you and Val. Crusade? Sega Fro (talk) 16:36, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

I mean that most of the powers you make, it always has a user from Val. Crusade with the picture of them. I cant blame you bro. Im also a fan. Sega Fro (talk) 16:43, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

About Absolute Change
Can you tell me what you call someone who is immune to Absolute Change? Because there surely must be something i mean Absolute Attack has Absolute Defense so even the most absolute power has a counter/negation. I mean if you want to make it more powerful than any absolute control power that's fine but surely there must be at least one thing that is immune to/can negate this power even if it's itself. I'd love to hear your answer. jedi master hurculates (talk) 20:15, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

So by that logic the only the only one immune to Absolute Change is potentially the ability itself when it's used defensively against another with that same ability. Right? If so then luckily being weak to/immune to itself doesn't count as a limitation or else Omnipotence would be the same. By the way you should add this ability as a limitation to Immunity Bypassing. jedi master hurculates (talk) 21:51, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Isn't that where Omnipotence gets its immunity to Immunity Bypassing from? or is it from some other power? jedi master hurculates (talk) 22:37, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

I mean on Immunity Bypassings limitation it says it can be ignored/bypassed by Omnipotence so i think Absolute Change is the power responsible for that am i right about that or am i wrong? jedi master hurculates (talk) 00:37, November 29, 2015 (UTC)

Death and Aspect Manifestation
Thought death may have been killed, its impossible to kill the concept of death since without out it nobody can die, and we would end up having the supernatural version of death takes a holidy or miracle day.

Aspect Manifestation is the power to manifest any aspect of oneself, from emotions, behaviours, personality traits, descriptions, abstract/conceptual traits(such duty, urgency, understanding, etc) and so on. Basically it lets you manifest any aspect of ones own identity or what defines that person. Unlike aspect expulsion however the aspects still remain part of the user in question, this power just grants them a physical body/form.

Does that explain it?SageM (talk) 23:07, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM

I suppose.SageM (talk) 23:43, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM

We have nothing that fascinates, and I'd prefer there were at least few powers of that type before even considering embodiment. --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:39, November 23, 2015 (UTC)

Omni-death inducement
No, It has nothing to do with omnicide. its basically the power to use every form of death inducement in one person.SageM (talk) 23:44, November 23, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Apparently you didn't notice the new power I added. check the wikia activity page and you will see it.SageM (talk) 02:22, November 26, 2015 (UTC)SageM

I really can't think of anything else that the applications doesn't already cover Gabriel456 (talk) 03:50, November 26, 2015 (UTC)

Fear Inducement with Limitation "eyes have to be seen"

Depends, but Pocket Dimension Creation could be one option.

Possibly, but does the rest of her power reach that level? --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:55, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

That's your call.

Having Primordial Entity Physiology isn't about age, it's about power. Please read rest of the powers description. --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:05, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

VC References
Question.... WHY ARE THERE SO MANY VALKYRIE CRUSADE REFERENCES!? everywhere i go i see too many valkyrie crusade references! how come there are so many of them in this wiki?! sorry. just shocked about it is all. ^^

Deviljinyes (talk) 06:45, November 27, 2015 (UTC)deviljinyes

so do you play this game by chance?

Deviljinyes (talk) 07:21, November 27, 2015 (UTC)deviljinyes

the one thing i hate about valkyrie crusade is the evolution....... THERE IS LITERALLY NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE COLOR!!!!!

Deviljinyes (talk) 07:45, November 27, 2015 (UTC)deviljinyes

i guess you have a point. i just wish it were a bit more obvious like they do in brave frontier. also im not a fan of those type of card games where you dont see the action. u know what i mean?

Deviljinyes (talk) 08:03, November 27, 2015 (UTC)deviljinyes

Might need to work that one a bit... welp, your choice then. What do you think? --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:09, November 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * 1) Other than the general Spatial Manipulation (though I really don't know if that counts for your user), I have no idea.
 * 2) I don't know, though they may count if they have enough power/strength to kill a God
 * 3) I think it may, although the page goes by the definition of Primordial, existing at or from the beginning of time or older....so I don't know. Gabriel456 (talk) 16:25, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

Probably, yeah Gabriel456 (talk) 16:33, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

Whether she has Primordial Entity Physiology or not is your choice then, as you know the character we're talking about. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:17, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

best possible match
The closest possible match is- Oneiric Reality ManipulationSageM (talk) 00:25, November 28, 2015 (UTC)SageM

You just asked the wrong person....
You just asked the wrong person.... ^^;;;;;SageM (talk) 03:23, November 28, 2015 (UTC)SageM

We have Meteor Summoning, but I don't know if that what's you're looking for.

If not, I don't think we do Gabriel456 (talk) 03:24, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

If it's about summoning demonic being of deity level, that's summoning different godlike beings. --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:02, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

sure Gabriel456 (talk) 15:31, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

I don't see why not Gabriel456 (talk) 16:11, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

In that case, preferably no. We'd get Variation for every possible summonable being... --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:40, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

When you add to Users, series should be in italics. --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:13, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

That's definite possibility. --Kuopiofi (talk) 11:25, November 29, 2015 (UTC)

Yes. --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:03, November 29, 2015 (UTC)

Apathy --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:05, November 30, 2015 (UTC)

If possible, please Edit only the section you're making the changes. For some reason certain members full-page Edits mess collapsed Galleries and you're one of them. --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:12, November 30, 2015 (UTC)

Not as far as I can find. --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:59, December 2, 2015 (UTC)

I think so, yeah Gabriel456 (talk) 00:36, December 9, 2015 (UTC)

I think so. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:17, December 9, 2015 (UTC)

Afterlife Path
Its basically a better version of Underworld Path, in fact Underworld path would be considered a variation of it instead of the other way around. It basically opens a pathway to the afterlife, regardless of what that afterlife happens to be(heaven, hell, nirvana, something else, etc).SageM (talk) 22:20, December 11, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Probably, yeah Gabriel456 (talk) 04:09, December 12, 2015 (UTC)

will see....
Will see, I am waiting to hear from Kuopiofi first.SageM (talk) 22:17, December 17, 2015 (UTC)SageM

The closest I can think of is Ultimate Invincibility. Unless you meant literally, like physics or something, but I don't know about that. Gabriel456 (talk) 23:37, December 22, 2015 (UTC)

yeah, probably Gabriel456 (talk) 23:48, December 22, 2015 (UTC)

Sounds feasible. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:16, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

Yes. --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:51, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

Sounds like combination of Color Generation (black only), Malefic Force Manipulation/Corruption Inducement and Evil Empowerment (self only).

Dream Materialization. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:37, December 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * 1) I have absolutely no idea, sorry
 * 2) Oneiric Reality Manipulation is the closest I can think ofGabriel456 (talk) 23:14, December 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * 1) Yeah, that sounds like a form of Nigh Omniscience; know everyone's secret, but they don't know everything.
 * 2) Cloud Manipulation, possibly Precipitation Manipulation? Gabriel456 (talk) 01:38, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

Sounds like it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:38, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

yeah, I would think so Gabriel456 (talk) 14:22, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

Check Death Sense and various Death-based Abilities. --Kuopiofi (talk) 09:15, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Probably something Life-Based. --Kuopiofi (talk) 09:58, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

I have absolutely no clue, sorry Gabriel456 (talk) 14:41, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

yeah, I think those would fit Gabriel456 (talk) 20:32, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

We already have both immunities, so what else aside combining those two into same page would it do? --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:20, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe the basic idea could be expanded somehow... --Kuopiofi (talk) 11:48, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

Not a clue. Might want to talk with Sage, he's pretty productive with powers. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:03, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

Explosive Proficiency --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:18, December 30, 2015 (UTC)

I'd say so. --Kuopiofi (talk) 07:00, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

While there is room for some tweaking, maybe you should add Variations for both Physiologies and place the more radical changes there. --Kuopiofi (talk) 09:07, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

Basically keep the Applications as is and add the changes you suggested to Variations (separated into both nigh and full options). Maybe add bit to Capabilities to explain the Variations. --Kuopiofi (talk) 09:30, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

LOL That is exactly the user I was thinking of when I proposed this idea! Quite a coincidence, isn't it? Thanks, though. Flamerstreak (talk) 16:10, January 3, 2016 (UTC)

Divine Communication --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:17, January 4, 2016 (UTC)

May I have a link to Lucifer's card page and a link to Michael's card page? Please?

Just got to make sure that you're not pulling a SageM :)

After I read them for myself I'll re add it, okay?

Nat-chan 12:35, January 5, 2016 (UTC)Imouto-tan

If God did have a card that would make VC's God nigh omnipotent because the players of VC would be in control of God and correct me if I'm wrong but aren't there other cards that are of Omnipotent gods from other mythologies? Nat-chan 12:39, January 5, 2016 (UTC)Imouto-tan

go ahead and re add him

yeah

If possible, please Edit only the section you're making the changes. For some reason certain members full-page Edits mess collapsed Galleries and you're one of them. --Kuopiofi (talk) 07:56, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

N-OS sounds reasonable.

Nature Embodiment maybe. --Kuopiofi (talk) 12:39, January 7, 2016 (UTC)

Well, we do have Elemental Embodiment if that helps anyway.

You could also check Power Manifestation for other options. --Kuopiofi (talk) 09:18, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

Check mainly Wood Manipulation but also Forest Manipulation. --Kuopiofi (talk) 12:36, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

Never seen deity of combat that didn't somehow have some power over war as well, so it's pretty much pointless question, especially as War Manipulation includes "all forms of conflict including mental, physical, spiritual and conceptual ones". --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:42, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

I'd say so. --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:07, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

Check Cloud Manipulation and Associations, that should cover the basics. --Kuopiofi (talk) 11:04, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

I don't think we have specific power for that. --Kuopiofi (talk) 11:48, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

Well, technically doable but I'd prefer dream-world version of reality warping as that would allow those who can manipulate dream-world but aren't complete sovereign. --Kuopiofi (talk) 12:00, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

yeah, that sounds right to me Gabriel456 (talk) 13:35, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

ORM allows you to warp reality (outside dreams) through your dreams, so that's not it.

Dream Reality Manipulation? Go ahead. Oneiric Omnipotence? Preferably not, as it'd imply user is totally unbeatable in dreams. --Kuopiofi (talk) 13:53, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

Like Reality Warping has? Good idea, have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 14:02, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

Basing DRM to ORM sounds reasonable.

N-OP I'd have to say no. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:14, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

If they can see future at will, it's likely Precognition. --Kuopiofi (talk) 13:08, January 12, 2016 (UTC)

you should really look at the page I already undid the edit, and VC's Aphrodite doesn't count because she doesn't use it Nat-chan 13:31, January 12, 2016 (UTC)Imouto-tan

Your VC characters don't really count because the never exhibit the powers that they supposedly "have"

Why not show me your VC characters using said powers in battle, better yet show me a single page with any character actually using their "power" Nat-chan 13:37, January 12, 2016 (UTC)Imouto-tan

That is a good point that you point out, it IS only just a card game. I'll let it slide for now Nat-chan 13:51, January 12, 2016 (UTC)Imouto-tan

hmm sure why not?

Monetary Manipulation looks like the best bet. --Kuopiofi (talk) 09:20, January 15, 2016 (UTC)

Illusion Manipulation maybe. --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:16, January 18, 2016 (UTC)

Origin Manipulation. --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:23, January 18, 2016 (UTC)

Lordship over certain type of beings is bit too selective. --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:00, January 18, 2016 (UTC)

I'd have to go for the general Technology Manipulation as we don't really have anything else, or Electromagnetism Manipulation with limited to technology. --Kuopiofi (talk) 11:58, January 20, 2016 (UTC)

Sight based Insanity Inducement, but check also Countenance.

As in, turn living beings into dolls? Dollification

Turn dolls into life? Anthropomorphism

Most general power would be either Shapeshifting Inducement/Transmutation if they change something already existing or Life Creation/Object Creation if they create them from nothing. --Kuopiofi (talk) 12:25, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

Replication --Kuopiofi (talk) 12:41, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

Neith.

Only place this page mentions anything like that is that in some myths she has connections to the primordial times. Meaning that in most she doesn't.

Well, admittedly Egyptian mythology is total mess-up... --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:10, January 31, 2016 (UTC)

No and it won't be allowed. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:31, February 9, 2016 (UTC)

Disease Mimicry gets pretty close. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:18, February 10, 2016 (UTC)

Weather Embodiment - have fun.

Truth Manipulation or Reality Warping are possibilities. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:19, February 12, 2016 (UTC)

Have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:16, February 12, 2016 (UTC)

Very specific form of Nigh Omniscience?

We could actually use power that does that... --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:13, February 15, 2016 (UTC)

When you Edit, please use only the section you're making the changes. For some reason some members full-page Edits mess the collapsed Galleries and you're one of them. --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:35, February 16, 2016 (UTC)

Have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:46, February 21, 2016 (UTC)

Universal Embodiment. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:46, February 27, 2016 (UTC)

Cosmic Manipulation combined with GM I'd say. --Kuopiofi (talk) 10:55, February 29, 2016 (UTC)

I don't know. Other than GM, I don't know if we even have a page for that... Gabriel456 (talk) 17:33, February 29, 2016 (UTC)

I think this is the closest power we have to what your thinking of- Cosmic Space Manipulation.SageM (talk) 21:48, March 1, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Vocifery perhaps. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:46, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

Sounds like a combination between Singularity and Unknown Inducement to me.SageM (talk) 19:50, March 3, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Imperceptibility sounds likely. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:13, March 3, 2016 (UTC)

Is it something active or is it more that she just doesn't tell anything? --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:24, March 3, 2016 (UTC)

Say, what do you think of my new power page? Flamerstreak (talk) 20:59, March 3, 2016 (UTC)

Glad you liked it, then. Flamerstreak (talk) 21:04, March 3, 2016 (UTC)

Does she actively make herself unnoticeable/unknown (ie. is it power in use) or is it just that she isn't talking about herself and her coals? --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:04, March 3, 2016 (UTC)

Have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:35, March 5, 2016 (UTC)

personally, I'm ignoring that part of your argument. The logic of "this has/does that, so why not this?" argument has been used so much it's a downright cliche.

but bring me proof of the symbols' validation and I'll restore it Gabriel456 (talk) 20:29, March 5, 2016 (UTC)

restored.Gabriel456 (talk) 20:50, March 5, 2016 (UTC)

When you Edit, please use only the section you're making the changes. For some reason some members full-page Edits mess the collapsed Galleries and you're one of them. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:45, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

Say, can you help me with something? Flamerstreak (talk) 20:56, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

I am planning on making a power called Effect Generation, which is a power that can make effects happen without the need for the cause. For example, causing letters to appear on the screen without actually typing (the cause) to make them do so. With that said, do you know some good applications I could put into this power? Flamerstreak (talk) 21:00, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. Flamerstreak (talk) 21:11, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

Have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:19, March 9, 2016 (UTC)

As long as you change already existing links too, better now when it's only few instead of waiting too long. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:14, March 10, 2016 (UTC)

Does that work by aging the target (unlikely) or removing from the lifespan? --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:32, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

Some form of life-force manipulation I think (conditional/delayed Life-Force Extraction?), or Destiny Assignment/Prophecy Construction. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:02, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

Life Reduction sounds interesting, have fun with that.

Death Inducement for the killing part, I'd say Life-Force Manipulation is the closest for the life in general. --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:57, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

You're the one who knows the character we're talking about, so it's your call. --Kuopiofi (talk) 22:08, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

''When you Edit, please use only the section you're making the changes. For some reason some members full-page Edits mess the collapsed Galleries and you're one of them.'' --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:11, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! In fact, those were my thoughts exactly. Do you have anymore? Maxoflas (talk) 20:10, March 18, 2016 (UTC)

Loving servant (talk) 00:54, March 21, 2016 (UTC) Thank you for fixing that on Beauty Embodiment, I expect to just remove an inaccurate Known User, and instead I end up trying to repeatedly put something right and keep failing (sigh), once again thanks.

Life and Death Manipulation (as well as Life and Death Inducement),Life and Death Lordship, etc..

I think there's more, but I can't think of them atm... Gabriel456 (talk) 18:33, April 1, 2016 (UTC)

Life and Death Manipulation I'd say. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:35, April 1, 2016 (UTC)

got a name? Gabriel456 (talk) 18:50, April 1, 2016 (UTC)

Alright, thanks :) Gabriel456 (talk) 18:53, April 1, 2016 (UTC)

I'd say we have to split it into two powers, keep the existing one and chancing it to do only creation and make a new one for Manipulation.

GC is way too needed in various Construct pages to be removed, but as it is now GC goes well past the pure creation. Perils of being one of the oldest powers and none bothering to fix it as things got standardized. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:18, April 5, 2016 (UTC)

Have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:53, April 5, 2016 (UTC)

None that I can think on this site. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:17, April 6, 2016 (UTC)

I'd go for Mathematics Manipulation. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:11, April 14, 2016 (UTC)

Which one do they use more? --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:22, April 14, 2016 (UTC)

Well, there you go. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:24, April 14, 2016 (UTC)

I think so. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:44, April 14, 2016 (UTC)

This...
Probably this- Enhanced Musicianship.

Not to my knowledge, closest one is Astronomical Physiology. You're thinking Astronomical Object Physiology. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:43, April 16, 2016 (UTC)

Astronomical Object Physiology would cover galaxy and quite a bit more. Go ahead. --Kuopiofi (talk) 10:43, April 16, 2016 (UTC)

Propably.

Depending of how it's caused, Destiny Manipulation or Reality Warping. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:05, April 18, 2016 (UTC)

12. No repeated Editing/Undoing of the same thing. If this becomes problem take it to Comments/Talk and talk it out instead of repeatedly messing with the page. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:07, April 21, 2016 (UTC)

this should explain things....
Let me explain to you how it works, for one you can't freeze fire, PERIOD, it doesn't matter how cold it gets even at absolute zero its impossible. And second freezing air is virtually impossible because air is made up countless trace gases that all have different freezing points.

Secondly, his power freezes anything, including abilities, so you can't use other powers(which is why is quincy bow disappeared after he was frozen, he couldn't reactivate it.) Secondly the quincy bow is made of ENERGY, not matter. and yet he was able to freeze it too.

Sorry, but he does fit the power.SageM (talk) 20:11, April 21, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Yes. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:46, April 22, 2016 (UTC)

Primordial Water
If she represents the sea, and was created by Gaia, alongside the sky and earth, then yeah, sure, I guess so. SDPanthera (talk) 17:32, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

No, I won't be creating anymore new pages for a while now. For the rest, if you want to create Primordial Sky, Earth, etc, go ahead. But be sure to ask a mod first for permission. SDPanthera (talk) 17:50, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

Depending on how they gained the ability, Homo Superior Physiology if it was gained by innate abilities coming to surface, otherwise Experientially Induced Powers could work. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:38, April 27, 2016 (UTC)

Sounds like Reliant Immortality.

We're going on the area where people start using big words to mean something else than they usually mean and specifically as we define them on this site, so celestial realm could be considered to be universe of its own and the whole verse would multiverse, in which case they would have UC. On the other hand, the authors may be simply exaggerating the idea/using the universe to mean simply different dimension/dimensional cluster, in which case it'd be creating new dimension. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:50, April 28, 2016 (UTC)

Welp. looks like it's Universe then. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:35, April 28, 2016 (UTC)

er... I'm really not sure, to be honest. Gabriel456 (talk) 15:31, April 29, 2016 (UTC)

Not one clue... --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:37, May 11, 2016 (UTC)

You might want to explain it a little more first. Since I am not sure what you mean.SageM (talk) 17:50, May 11, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Jinxed, Unlovability­ Inducement, Nature Forsaken, Living Anomaly, Cosmic Otherness, Soullessness are all possible examples.SageM (talk) 18:03, May 11, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Courage Empowerment

Depending on how good shapeshifter she is, either Shapeshifting or Omnifarious.

PEP is defined as being that has existed "prior to or since the beginning of time". --Kuopiofi (talk) 14:55, May 13, 2016 (UTC)

Sounds like it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:03, May 13, 2016 (UTC)

Dainsleif
Dainsleif is known as the Sword of Endings in Norse Mythology, as completely drawing it from its scabbard marks the start of Ragnarok and thus the end of time. Thus Dainsleif from Valkyrie Crusade is the embodiment/representation of endings since she is the embodiment of the blade itself.SageM (talk) 22:46, May 14, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Melancholy Embodiment? Gabriel456 (talk) 20:49, May 15, 2016 (UTC)

You do know that Anti-God is a sub-power of Omnipotence too, right?SageM (talk) 23:04, May 15, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Existence Destruction = Total Event Collapse.SageM (talk) 23:37, May 15, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Not sure, let me do some checking to see if I can find one....SageM (talk) 23:55, May 15, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:27, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

Well, I got nothing. I don't think we have a page like that Gabriel456 (talk) 12:58, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

if you can stress that the difference is the same as the ones between Magic Embodiment and Mystic Derivation, go for it Gabriel456 (talk) 15:50, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

That is Emotion Embodiment. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:11, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

Meh, go ahead. But you're opening door for quite a few nitpickers who'll use that argument. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:58, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

Say, do you see anything wrong with a power called Avatar/Embodiment Manipulation? Flamerstreak (talk) 00:43, May 18, 2016 (UTC)

I see. I tried getting this power approved by Kuopiofi, but he declined. He didn't even say why, and just told me to think about it instead. Man, that guy is strict, is he? Flamerstreak (talk) 00:53, May 18, 2016 (UTC)

And to unnecessary levels, too. Maybe there could be a way to convince him to let me do the power. If only I knew his exact reasoning for not letting me do it. Flamerstreak (talk) 01:09, May 18, 2016 (UTC)

I'll give it a try, then. Thanks. Flamerstreak (talk) 01:19, May 18, 2016 (UTC)

DM pretty much covers it.

All information as in not only electronic? Because that one we have. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:04, May 18, 2016 (UTC)

Closest would be Information Transfer. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:16, May 19, 2016 (UTC)

That'd be Cosmic Darkness, tho we don't have it done. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:57, May 21, 2016 (UTC)

Cosmic Darkness?
No, I haven't planned this at all, so you're free to do it. I'm planning a different page myself, but I still need to work it out a bit more. That said, it does sound interesting. Must be a new variation of the Cosmic Element manipulation. I'd say have fun, although I'm not a mod or anything. If it hasn't been made yet, you're free to make it yourselves. That said, does it differ from Cosmic Space Manipulation? As that page also uses Darkness as a part of its main applications. If not, its best if you added your user there, unless it truly is Cosmic Darkness. SDPanthera (talk) 17:16, May 21, 2016 (UTC)

If its pretty much the  Darkness of space, Cosmic Space actually covers it, but if you made the page itself, that of Cosmic Darkness, I can edit my Cosmic Space page as needed. Tell me who this user is, so I can look for myself. SDPanthera (talk) 18:12, May 21, 2016 (UTC)

Not that I know. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:33, May 21, 2016 (UTC)

That is just it. The darkness of space, is just darkness, but found in space. Space itself is permeted with dark energy. The way I see it on the page is that the user can control the darkness of space, which in itself is Cosmic Space. But that is just me. Its up to you whether you want to make the page or not. I myself see no need in it. SDPanthera (talk) 20:40, May 21, 2016 (UTC)

Have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:42, May 21, 2016 (UTC)

I don't think we do. We have the destruction verisons, but not restoration

And go for it Gabriel456 (talk) 20:49, May 21, 2016 (UTC)

That's actually really good point and I can see how it'd work... give it a go. --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:43, May 22, 2016 (UTC)

I'd say Cosmic Space. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:00, May 22, 2016 (UTC)

Not that I can think. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:02, May 23, 2016 (UTC)

Hello, can I get your opinion on this power I plan to request approval for? Flamerstreak (talk) 23:55, May 24, 2016 (UTC)

It is called Meta Environmental Manipulation, and it is the ability to manipulate all aspects of the environment. It is like Environmental Manipulation plus some Environmental Physics Manipulation, with control of local time, gravity, inertia, friction, electromagnetism and so on. What do you think? Flamerstreak (talk) 23:57, May 24, 2016 (UTC)

Say, how is this, instead? Surroundings Manipulation, the ability to manipulate one's surroundings. This would be different from Environmental Manipulation because from what I am reading, Environmental Manipulation deals more with nature, if I read it correctly. Surroundings Manipulation would is not limited to nature, plus it is more limited to what is around the user. Physics and such can be manipulated, unlike Environmental Manipulation. Flamerstreak (talk) 00:49, May 25, 2016 (UTC)

That's what I am planning to do. Flamerstreak (talk) 00:57, May 25, 2016 (UTC)

Say, what do you think of my new power page? Flamerstreak (talk) 23:44, May 25, 2016 (UTC)

Glad you like it. Flamerstreak (talk) 00:57, May 26, 2016 (UTC)

Absolute Beauty & Absolute Charisma
I agree! I would probably use them, Lucifer, and perhaps some video game/anime characters? Users dont seem to be the problem. Charisma would have harder luck for this though. The biggest problem I find in this would be..What applications would fit into the two. It'd be lovely if you could help? (that and I see you've created some of my fav power pages, while im simply a nublet <3) OmnipotentDeity (talk) 03:27, May 26, 2016 (UTC)

Mother Nature Physiology? --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:47, May 28, 2016 (UTC)

You mean this? --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:13, May 28, 2016 (UTC)

Have fun then. Re3member to connect Mother Nature Physiology to it somehow, might be Variation... --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:33, May 28, 2016 (UTC)

Change the Capabilities to how it is in Physiologies and adding Applications to give the bare bones to which the Variations add into? Works for me, interested doing similar expansion on Astrological Physiology and Zodiac Physiology? --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:47, May 30, 2016 (UTC)

There's difference between astronomy and astrology, first deals with the physical reality/science, second star-signs, zodiac, etc. and includes among other things mental/conceptual powers. Quite different really. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:07, May 30, 2016 (UTC)

We do have few Mimicries/Physiologies that are based on non-physical/existing/conceptual ideas. Should we rework them into Empowerments? --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:20, May 30, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, right. NO.

If you want to create separate Empowerments, have fun. Otherwise, leave it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:37, May 30, 2016 (UTC)

that would be- Spatial Guardianship.SageM (talk) 06:51, May 30, 2016 (UTC)SageM

I'd say so.

Yes, very specific form of N-OS, but certainly that. --Kuopiofi (talk) 10:31, May 30, 2016 (UTC)

Offccc, I was actually about to message you about that ^^; Hopefully it succeeds since it is a pretty legitmate thing, and im positive people would use it creaitvely too. Not to mention im sure there are more users out there who are similar! OmnipotentDeity (talk) 23:05, May 30, 2016 (UTC)

True but, wouldn't solar become a sub-power/application of stellar instead of being a variation? Cause if you embody 'the stars' than you would embody the sun too o-o? OmnipotentDeity (talk) 19:35, June 4, 2016 (UTC)

Than why not just remove it from association/variation and place it as a application within stellar embodiment, and than for solar place stellar as a association not a variation ^^;? OmnipotentDeity (talk) 19:42, June 4, 2016 (UTC)

Mk! Either that or just place solar embodiment under stellar embodiment's applications? (there's a lot of powers under other powers applications, and they arent really noted as sub-powers, but I do believe solar would be considering a sub-power of stellar.)

Also, This is a side-note but..@_@ I love the powers you've created. 10/10 pls never stop. Love truly, OmnipotentDeity (talk) 19:47, June 4, 2016 (UTC)

Have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:13, June 9, 2016 (UTC)

Oh thank you <3 I guess I didn't find that when searching it up lol :p OmnipotentDeity (talk) 00:04, June 10, 2016 (UTC)

Yep Yep! Thanks :D OmnipotentDeity (talk) 00:12, June 10, 2016 (UTC)

Wonderland as in Fantasy World? --Kuopiofi (talk) 09:35, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

I don't think we have directly related power, closest would be Imagination Manipulation, Mindscape Materialization or possibly Story Manipulation/Fairytale Warping. Fantasy Embodiment may have some connections too. --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:54, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

Well, yes, tho' I'd honestly prefer Manipulation instead of Lordship, it's more general. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:07, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

Have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:50, June 19, 2016 (UTC)

Gets bit too close to Destiny Manipulation I think. --Kuopiofi (talk) 10:07, June 19, 2016 (UTC)

the only power I can think of is Luck Bestowal (or other Luck-related powers). I can't really think of anything else that fits what you describe Gabriel456 (talk) 00:55, June 20, 2016 (UTC)

can't help then Gabriel456 (talk) 01:02, June 20, 2016 (UTC)

We don't have that yet, I don't think, so go ahead Gabriel456 (talk) 01:07, June 20, 2016 (UTC)

Curse Removal/Curse Negation maybe. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:45, June 20, 2016 (UTC)

Really starting to wonder if those gender specific deity-powers should be deleted... --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:11, June 21, 2016 (UTC)

Hi hi
Heyo Tsuba :D

I indeed like both your new avvie and name

Imouto 18:23, June 24, 2016 (UTC)Imouto-tan

That's really cool :D Imouto 18:31, June 24, 2016 (UTC)Imouto-tan

Here you go
There is no template for how a character is to be made, but here is my own custom info box that I imported here

Color codes are used to change the colors of the boxes

Imouto 03:45, June 26, 2016 (UTC)Imouto-tan (Talk)

you are welcome

Imouto 04:22, June 26, 2016 (UTC)Imouto-tan

Wormhole Creation or Subspace Travel. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:20, June 28, 2016 (UTC)

Technomagic using steam technology. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:19, June 30, 2016 (UTC)

If it includes manipulating both increasing and decreasing speed, then it's Motion Manipulation. --Kuopiofi (talk) 14:17, July 2, 2016 (UTC)

Equivalent/Opposite to Omnificence? --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:08, July 5, 2016 (UTC)

Sounds pretty much the same to me. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:16, July 6, 2016 (UTC)

Have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:49, July 6, 2016 (UTC)

Point. The problem with this many powers that you start forgetting which ones we already have... --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:35, July 6, 2016 (UTC)

Mind reminding what it was? Been very busy week... -_- --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:17, July 7, 2016 (UTC)

I fiddled with it a bit but it could still use some work, so go ahead. If you change the name, remember to change all the links on this site using Special:Whatlinkshere. --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:23, July 7, 2016 (UTC)

Not sure if it really fits as a limitation, especially given this note by one of the users-

"Azathoth cannot be destroyed, as the concept of destruction, just like all others, exists only in its unfathomable mind"

Azathoth is a user of totality manipulation, and yet he cannot be destroyed because without him destruction wouldn't even exist.

Destroying the totality doesn't seem like, as you would be destroying the concept of destruction if you destroyed it.SageM (talk) 21:01, July 9, 2016 (UTC)SageM

At the very least it would be serious problem. Go ahead. --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:10, July 9, 2016 (UTC)

Since destroying the totality would most likely leave nothing but blank emptiness, it probably wouldn't mean anything to the Overmonitor since he literally is blank emptiness in the first place. ^^;;;

If you destroy the totality (as has happened in the simpsons 16th halloween opening) there will be nothing but white empty space. So a user who already is in the form of white empty space likely wouldn't feel any thing if the totality was destroyed, in fact to that user it might simply feel like nothing more then a gentle breeze.SageM (talk) 21:26, July 9, 2016 (UTC)SageM

think about this way, what would there be to destroy if all thats left is blank space with nothing in it? It would be like trying to destroy the white space outside of a comics pages, there is nothing there to destroy or eliminate as its already devoid of the totality.

Thats why i said that absolute destruction might not truly be able to destroy the totality.SageM (talk) 21:30, July 9, 2016 (UTC)SageM

The problem is, the blank space that the overmonitor represents is already empty of everything, including the concept of nothing. Its basically what existence was before there was a thing called existence. The power can't destroy it because its already devoid of anything to destroy, including nothingness.

Concepts like nothingness and totality didn't exist until after they were created. if you go back to before all things(time, space, order, chaos, reality, concepts, universes, multiverses, omniverses, the totality, and even the unknown) then that would be what the Overmonitor is and represents.

You can't simply destroy it because you would need something to destroy and its already the way things were before there was a thing called anything,

Absolute Destruction would only have a function and use as long as there are things for it to destroy, but if you have completely run out of things for it to destroy or you exist even before there was anything to destroy then the power loses all meaning, power and purpose.

Wouldn't you agree?SageM (talk) 21:51, July 9, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Of course, trying to destroy the white space might have the exact opposite effect as well and end up creating something instead,

the best example of this is the Family Guy episode: The Big Bang Theory, were stewie and brian are cast out of everything, leaving them floating in a white void. So when stewie overloads the return pad to send them back into reality the explosion caused by the destruction of the return pad actually created the universe,

Thus its possible for Absolute Destruction to have the opposite effect depending on the circumstances....SageM (talk) 22:00, July 9, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Since absolute destruction can supposedly destroy anything/everything, what do you think would happen if you tried to use the power against itself? Meaning using absolute destruction on absolute destruction, I wonder what the result would be from that paradox? ^^;;;SageM (talk) 22:10, July 9, 2016 (UTC)SageM

given the information, its hard to say for certain.SageM (talk) 22:19, July 9, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Technically speaking, would Universal Irreversibility be considered a limitation for absolute change? As it implies that the results cannot be changed by anything or anyone.SageM (talk) 22:43, July 10, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Actually AR cannot effect UI, and it even says so on that page. in other words once it happens, it stays happened.SageM (talk) 22:54, July 10, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Soul anchoring may prevent Nirvana Transport, but thats pretty much it. As its a state of true freedom and boundlessness. Once its reached its impossible to prevent, as its beyond the afterlife. Its equivalent to a soul achieving totality connection and/or omnilock.

Lets me put it to you another way. Truth, the basically omnipotent, omni-embodiment from Full Metal Alchemist? Not even he can touch a soul that he sends to nirvana, any one who dies passes beyond even his reach. Thats one of the main reasons why its impossible to resurrect someone in the FMA verse.SageM (talk) 04:03, July 12, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Collapse of what? --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:59, July 12, 2016 (UTC)

Collapse as in destruction of the structure? --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:07, July 12, 2016 (UTC)

I have vague feeling we have Manipulation that does something pretty close to that, but I simply can't remember the name... --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:04, July 12, 2016 (UTC)

Hey, man, I'm sorry for the trouble on that page about having all the powers. I don't add things to wikias long term, so I make mistakes pretty often. I put my addition to the right page now I believe.

Go ahead and change the name, just remember that it's your job to change it on every other page too, use Special:Whatlinkshere for that.

I'm pretty sure that Enchanted Artistry is only power we have. --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:56, July 14, 2016 (UTC)

Will do during weekend. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:17, July 14, 2016 (UTC)

Vocifery? --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:31, July 16, 2016 (UTC)

So user would have to do something to make the thing real? Not just deciding/thinking about it? --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:45, July 16, 2016 (UTC)

This is sounding more and more lie Reality Warping with some weird details... --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:31, July 16, 2016 (UTC)

Obvious next question: how would it be different from ED? --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:19, July 16, 2016 (UTC)

Omnificence? --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:44, July 16, 2016 (UTC)

Those are all the powers that would do the same thing, so it looks like something we don't have. Have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:38, July 17, 2016 (UTC)

Might want to think something else. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:42, July 17, 2016 (UTC)

You know, every time you start to explain more this sounds more like Reality Warping Limited to doing single changes. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:20, July 17, 2016 (UTC)

This is one of those things where it's hard to explain what I mean and not being native speaker really isn't helping matter. Hope you get the basics.

It's partly a principle of things:

Basically if some power has Embodiment or Lordship as part of the power, that means that no matter what Users are those things. As vast majority blatantly aren't it's better to just go with Manipulation which doesn't have same implications. As Embodiments and Lordships powers are part of Manipulation, there's option that some Users may be able to get/have them, but it isn't certainty.

Other part is that I'd prefer to keep those two separate, Embodiment is the power in question, Lord has control over it. Better keep the lines far enough that there isn't complications. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:38, July 17, 2016 (UTC)

Directly Ocean Manipulation/Water Manipulation, indirectly Lunar Manipulation. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:54, July 29, 2016 (UTC)

Got suggestions for a new name? --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:28, August 1, 2016 (UTC)

Either Good Immunity or Divine Power Immunity.SageM (talk) 00:38, August 2, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Typical, aint it... you know the name is wrong but figuring out better/more descriptive one is a bitch. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:17, August 2, 2016 (UTC)

Point, I'll get to it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 09:37, August 2, 2016 (UTC)

change embodiment/change manipulation
From Change Embodiments page-

The ability to embody and control change.

"Users embody and control change, the driving force that moves everything, from particles to men to stars to gods to ideas and beyond.

Change is without beginning nor end, the origin of origins, the architect of reality, the engine of fate, and the end of all things. All things are born from change, shaped by change, moved by change, weakened by change, destroyed by change, and erased by change. All that ever happened and ever will are expressions of change.

'''As masters of the most fundamental force, users wield limitless power, as they can achieve or prevent any change at will. They notably possess the most perfect defense, as they naturally shrug off any undesirable change'''."

This page/power was literally described as change manipulation by the admins themselves.

And difference manipulation isn't the same as change manipulation.SageM (talk) 23:55, August 2, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Ultimate Intangibility only counts if it phases through the target and they can touch it at the same time, Beach Boy simply passes through the target, pulling out organs is something users of normal intangibility can already do.

Beach boy is more like going intangible then becoming solid again inside the target, its not both at the same time.

A true example of ultimate intangibility is Santa Sasaki, he can physically hold onto someone while still phasing through attacks at the same time. All beach boy is doing is passing through the target, becoming solid then becoming intangible again.SageM (talk) 00:42, August 4, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Okay
Why not just......delete it bruh? Maxoflas (talk) 16:25, August 4, 2016 (UTC)

Spatial-Temporal Lock has Limitation "May only exist outside of physical space-time; may still exist within metaphysical space-time", so adding it as Limitation to MS-TM with "may" instead of certainty could work better.

Isolation needs some cleaning as some parts of it say it's limited to placing user beyond natural detection/earthly sciences and others that they effectively stop existing. As it's Variations include pretty heavy powers, I think we should err to the side of "effectively stop existing" and add few Limitations that allow lesser forms of concealment. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:52, August 8, 2016 (UTC)

Point. Problem with new powers being made is that they sometimes mean you'd have to adjust older powers and how often that happens... --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:32, August 8, 2016 (UTC)

Go ahead. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:05, August 8, 2016 (UTC)

2-3%? I doubt that. The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves Your Dog! 00:28, August 10, 2016 (UTC)

I'll keep that in mind when I make it. Thanks! CrystalStorm51 (talk) 15:09, August 10, 2016 (UTC)

Key Creation --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:27, August 10, 2016 (UTC)

Re: CWM comment
That makes sense, and I'm not saying they shouldn't be listed. It's just that the game is mentioned so often that sometimes you can't help but think, "Cripes, another Valkyrie Crusade character?!" Since there are so many powered characters, there must be a lot of non-powered characters then. In any case, thanks for stopping by and explaining that! :-) Raidra (talk) 01:33, August 12, 2016 (UTC)

I think we already have that, can't remember the name but it has pic of Orihime reflecting attack back. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:49, August 13, 2016 (UTC)

Sub power? Present? That was exactly what I was thinking! Still, it's not so bad, is it? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 05:04, August 13, 2016 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 05:11, August 13, 2016 (UTC)

Reflecting the attack back... bit like Ichiko attacking Kempachi the first time and hurting himself? Works, have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:15, August 13, 2016 (UTC)

Are you sure it is not too similar to Reality Warping? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 10:57, August 13, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, but apparently, Kuopiofi thinks they are the same thing, for some reason. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 13:06, August 13, 2016 (UTC)

I see your point, but I hace reached some kind of agreement with Kuopiofi now. I will have to come back in a later time to try again with Situational Manipulation. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 03:19, August 14, 2016 (UTC)

Hello there, may I ask: What would you think of a power called Residue Manipulation that I might make? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 02:38, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

Well, by definition, residue is something that remains after a part is removed, disposed of, or used; remainder; rest; remnant.. With this power, the user can control the remains and remnants of something such as exhsusted coal or remaining liquid from something and maybe even building ruins. What do you think? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 02:48, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

Okay then. Thanks! CrystalStorm51 (talk) 02:52, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

Supernatural/Magical Baking - maybe expand this to Supernatural Cooking to cover all forms of cooking, but otherwise usable.

Unmeltable Ice - usable, have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:23, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

Sure. But I agree with Kuo, should probably name it "Supernatural Baking"

my bad, didn't see you already created the page. Sorry Gabriel456 (talk) 11:29, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

Probably, it really doesn't make any sense otherwise. --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:51, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

I'd have to say yes. --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:57, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

Could you try to make it work as both? --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:02, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

Infoboxes
Heya :) I understand that you're disappointed with how the infobox was a few hours ago. But if you have just a little patience and let me work until tomorrow, the infobox will meet your needs.  I think you'll find that it already is improving way better than it did just an hour ago.  Please see User:CzechOut/Infobox example.

Additionally, if you have problems with it, it would super helpful to tell me about your issues so I can fix them. But I really think by tomorrow that you're not going to find too much to complain about. — CzechOut 22:27, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * It'd be super helpful if you dropped by user:CzechOut/PI comparison and gave your thoughts on how closely the PI matches the NPI now that today's feedback has been incorporated. — CzechOut 02:10, August 16, 2016 (UTC)

Say, how do you think about a power called World Manipulation? It is basically a mix between Planetary Manipulation, Biological Manipulation and Civilization Manipulation, and allows to manipulate the world and all life on it. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:59, August 16, 2016 (UTC)

I think it is just moreso Planetary Lordship and Life Lordship. What about civilization? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 00:13, August 17, 2016 (UTC)

Okay then. Thanks. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 00:27, August 17, 2016 (UTC)

yeah, I noticed (well, the larger ones. haven't seen a smaller one yet). It seems to be the addition of the "px" that's causing it, since removing it returns it to normal. Gabriel456 (talk) 17:16, August 17, 2016 (UTC)

Because they have px connected to imagewidth. Just remove that and it's back to normal width. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:30, August 17, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again. What do you think of the idea of Exercise Manipulation? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 20:27, August 17, 2016 (UTC)

Alright, thanks! Why do think the Wii Fit Trainer would do though, exactly? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 20:52, August 17, 2016 (UTC)

What about in the original Wii Fit game? Can she/he use this power in that? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:11, August 17, 2016 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:25, August 17, 2016 (UTC)

Considering I have no idea what Fairy Fire does, not a clue. Is it magically created/manipulated fire? Then yes.

Animal Attraction - just to attract animals towards the User? Nothing more?

Conquer all she sees - by that do you mean she controls/rules anything/everything she can see or that she can take over/beat/win everything/anyone she sees? --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:17, August 18, 2016 (UTC)

That'd be animal only Siren Song.

Sounds like Omniarch, or at least nigh-version of it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:50, August 18, 2016 (UTC)

Something like Beacon Emission? --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:12, August 18, 2016 (UTC)

In other words Mind Control dealing with animals. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:30, August 18, 2016 (UTC)

And still sounds like Beacon Emission. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:17, August 18, 2016 (UTC)

Just add it into Users, with affects only animals as explanation. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:24, August 18, 2016 (UTC)

Have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:19, August 19, 2016 (UTC)

go for it Gabriel456 (talk) 17:13, August 19, 2016 (UTC)

It's one of the side effects of infobox change, it must be written gray, also in slategray and darkslategray. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:03, August 19, 2016 (UTC)

go for it Gabriel456 (talk) 00:19, August 20, 2016 (UTC)

"real example"?

Banish for what reason/what would be different from Emotion Removal?--Kuopiofi (talk) 04:38, August 20, 2016 (UTC)

12. No repeated Editing/Undoing of the same thing. If this becomes problem take it to Comments/Talk and talk it out instead of repeatedly messing with the page. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:04, August 20, 2016 (UTC)

Got example you'd use?

Incidentally, asking if you can certain thing and then not waiting for the answer... what was the point? --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:13, August 20, 2016 (UTC)

Say, Iwas thinking of making this power...

Enhanced Turning: The ability to make sharp, acute turns at any speed, even zero radius turns. With that, the user can not only change direction on the ground, but they can change direction in the air as well, while jumping, or making sharp flying turns, or leaping, etc. The user could also use this power to make awkward flight movements, by changing their direction to go up every time they start going down while moving forward. Or they could fly by continually changing direction upwards while counterbalancing gravity. The user could also launch themselves into the air by turning upwards while running on the ground.

But it is already, in a way, covered by Isoportation. Do you think making this would be worth it? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:29, August 20, 2016 (UTC)

So, yoiu are not sure? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:44, August 20, 2016 (UTC)

Alright, thanks anyways. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:49, August 20, 2016 (UTC)

Space Time Magic?
Actually, I'm not sure yet. There would have to be valid users for this. However, I myself think its not really needed because we already have Space-Time Manipulation. Time and Space Magic however have differences, so for them they had enough reason to be made into magical versions of themselves.SDPanthera (talk) 14:51, August 21, 2016 (UTC)

Damage Negation
Okay, this is the last time I'll bring this up.

I know what you said about Kuma removing Luffy's damage rather than negating it, but as it says on the Damage Negation page, one of the ways to achieve that power is Pain Transferal/Wound Transferal, and Kuma did transfer Luffy's pain to Zoro. Smijes08 (talk) 20:41, August 21, 2016 (UTC)


 * Technically, it does negate the damage in the original target. Smijes08 (talk) 21:04, August 21, 2016 (UTC)


 * Okay, you win. Smijes08 (talk) 21:47, August 21, 2016 (UTC)

I see. To be honest, though, I wasn't actually thinking of manipulating the concept of freedom itself when I thought of this, just theh power to liberate those who are subjugated. I could have used a better name. But you know, I still wanted to make that Liberation power. Wanted. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 08:17, August 22, 2016 (UTC)

Well, didn't see that coming. What about  apower that frees others from their responsibilities and necessities (such as food)? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 08:38, August 22, 2016 (UTC)

What about Independence Inducement? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 08:43, August 22, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, that is what I meant. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 08:52, August 22, 2016 (UTC)

sure Gabriel456 (talk) 19:32, August 22, 2016 (UTC)

I think Meta is the used form, in other words have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:14, August 22, 2016 (UTC)

honestly, I don't really care which you choose but if I had to, absolute may do Gabriel456 (talk) 20:15, August 22, 2016 (UTC)

That something is in one powers Applications doesn't mean it's that powers Sub-power. We'd have to add quite a few powers to Enhanced Condition if that was the case. --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:56, August 23, 2016 (UTC)

Point. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:05, August 23, 2016 (UTC)

Say, what do you think of an idea I plan to make called Replication Sense? Basically, it is the ability for the user to sense which one is the original/the real/"belonging to them" object or person among the replicates of that object and person, whether factory produced, man made or clones. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 00:10, August 28, 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I'll go for it. Thanks! CrystalStorm51 (talk) 00:24, August 28, 2016 (UTC)

I guess I will go with that name, then. Thanks. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 00:35, August 28, 2016 (UTC)

That's so undefined concept that until there's something to define it I won't say anything specific. But from the title alone something like Omniarch sounds possible.

Divine Empowerment/Divinity --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:38, August 29, 2016 (UTC)

Which in practical terms means? --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:21, August 29, 2016 (UTC)

If she isn't downright omnipotent, that's on the Nigh Omnipotence territory.

Tho I think we have power that allows user to control pretty much everything without being N-O. Can't remember the name. --Kuopiofi (talk) 07:48, August 29, 2016 (UTC)

TM sounds quite reasonable, got a pic to add? --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:00, August 29, 2016 (UTC)

Not a clue. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:10, August 30, 2016 (UTC)

It would work as a sub power, I believe. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 00:34, September 2, 2016 (UTC)

AI Lord
Maybe you should talk about this in the main page so people can discuss it? I'm still not entirely sure if it's a good idea to begin with.

GZilla311 (talk) 22:09, September 3, 2016 (UTC)

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Sorry forgot to give you this yesterday Tsu :D

Imouto 14:35, September 4, 2016 (UTC)Imouto-tan (Talk)

We already have that power- Cosmic Creation.SageM (talk) 18:26, September 6, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Doesn't Cosmic Creation pretty much cover that? --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:51, September 6, 2016 (UTC)

Go ahead, might replace the astronomical objects on CC with AOC afterwards. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:08, September 6, 2016 (UTC)

Just do AOC. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:03, September 6, 2016 (UTC)

Take a look at which Manipulations are part of Astronomical Object Manipulation and check which of them have Creations. Add those to AOC as Variations. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:12, September 6, 2016 (UTC)

So you're basically saying that the user can change himself to anything he wnat whithout any limit? Idan647 (talk) 15:13, September 7, 2016 (UTC)

Ah okay :D

Kind of figured that much :D

Thanks Imouto 14:32, September 11, 2016 (UTC)Imouto-tan

Hey there, just wondering: What do you think of my two new powers? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:06, September 12, 2016 (UTC)

Glad you liked them, then. Thanks. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:19, September 12, 2016 (UTC)

By the way, do you know any good Applications and Associations for a power I plan to do called Past Creation? It allows one to create a new past for an object, person, place, event, anything, really. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 01:14, September 13, 2016 (UTC)

Anything else? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 02:35, September 13, 2016 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 02:56, September 13, 2016 (UTC)

Say, do you know of a user who can control their height or the length of their limbs without any stretchy or bendy effects? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 07:42, September 22, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks anyways. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 13:33, September 22, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again, but do you think a power called Rescue Intuition would be a good idea? As in having intuition on rescuing situations? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 03:54, September 25, 2016 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:36, September 25, 2016 (UTC)

Soulmate Connection is love at the absolute level, and it can't be broken or destroyed.--Armyeater (talk) 02:45, September 27, 2016 (UTC)

Sounds like PA to me. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:33, September 29, 2016 (UTC)

Where do the art-based powers belong?
That's impossible. Every power belongs in one of those categories!

No, because with enough luck they could suddenly develop an immunity to luck erasure.--Armyeater (talk) 02:31, October 10, 2016 (UTC)

We are currently talking about luck so great that the user cannot fail. Even the laws of reality are rewritten for them.--Armyeater (talk) 02:51, October 10, 2016 (UTC)

It states in the capabilities that their luck is so great that the law of reality rewrite themselves to suit the user. So a user of meta luck could develop or already have an immunity to luck erasure, in fact users of it are so lucky that the powers of someone with luck erasure could simply stop working altogether.--Armyeater (talk) 02:59, October 10, 2016 (UTC)

It also has Ultimate Invincibility under applications the definition of which means that they cannot be defeated.--Armyeater (talk) 03:01, October 10, 2016 (UTC)

Beating them is exactly what the user would be trying to do, so it would apply.--Armyeater (talk) 03:09, October 10, 2016 (UTC)

If no user of luck erasure ever has erased the luck of someone with meta luck then you have NOTHING to back up your claim and should stop.--Armyeater (talk) 03:13, October 10, 2016 (UTC)

Or with their luck no user of luck erasure would even try o erase their luck. We have no instances where users of these powers have clashed and even if we did multiversal differences could still apply.--Armyeater (talk) 03:23, October 10, 2016 (UTC)

I have given you at least half a dozen reasons why you are wrong. At this point you are just making yourself look like a stubborn idiot.--Armyeater (talk) 03:30, October 10, 2016 (UTC)

Meta luck is all about unique and seemingly impossible situations and you have done nothing to disprove my arguments, you only think you have/refuse to accept that you are wrong.--Armyeater (talk) 03:36, October 10, 2016 (UTC)

I have given you every reason in the book as to why I'm correct if you still can't accept that I'm right then you might want to get a brain transplant and hope you wind up smarter, at least you can't get dumber so you have that in your favor at least.--Armyeater (talk) 03:49, October 10, 2016 (UTC)

Well, you moved your argument to your Talk-pages so that's good.

As for the question, first remember that one example isn't enough to make something a rule. Second, power that is specifically focused against other one is generally able to do something to it, possibly even at most extreme levels. So if you add "may" on the Limitations, it should work. It depends on the relative power/skill of the opposing powers at this point really. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:45, October 10, 2016 (UTC)

Didn't notice you moved it on your own pages, so I Edited the message right before you posted your last one. :) --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:46, October 10, 2016 (UTC)

If nothing else I will admit that Kuopiofi is better with words than I, even managing to state what I had been trying to for hours with apparent ease. In any event it looks like we have our answer and I wish you better luck with your future edits, (assuming your future edits are correct).--Armyeater (talk) 05:01, October 10, 2016 (UTC)

Go ahead with both. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:04, October 10, 2016 (UTC)

I will stop with luck, for now, because only the ultimate level would have a chance against luck erasure.--Armyeater (talk) 05:20, October 10, 2016 (UTC)

That sounds reasonable idea. I don't think we have anything else that'd get closer. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:16, October 11, 2016 (UTC)

Double-Edged Power is the first thing to come to mind. Is it just her attacks or is her touch/presence lethal? Is it because she's too strong or is it just about the blow strength? --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:33, October 11, 2016 (UTC)

Death Inducement/Supernatural Strength/Megaton Punch maybe? With mention that she has no control over it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:38, October 11, 2016 (UTC)

re: Transcendent Animal Physiology
Oh. Smijes08 (talk) 19:19, October 11, 2016 (UTC)

One Hit Kill? --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:00, October 11, 2016 (UTC)

Those are tthe powers that come to mind, so you need to figure the details out yourself as you know what/who you're talking about. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:11, October 12, 2016 (UTC)

So attacks that are usually lethal and even when restricted nearly so? --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:52, October 12, 2016 (UTC)

Call it Lethal Attacks and have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:57, October 12, 2016 (UTC)

When you Edit please use only the section you're chancing. For some reason certain members full-page Edits mess up the collapsed Galleries and you're one of them. --Kuopiofi (talk) 14:13, October 15, 2016 (UTC)

The Attacks part? --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:31, October 16, 2016 (UTC)

Could work. Is this Variation of Death Inducement? --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:59, October 16, 2016 (UTC)

It already is. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:13, October 21, 2016 (UTC)

Go ahead. --Kuopiofi (talk) 14:31, October 21, 2016 (UTC)

As it is defined as "User transcends all limitations, weaknesses and boundaries of all nature.

This allows them to surpass their physical and mental limitations, resist negative effects (natural and supernatural), develop new abilities, correct their flaws, change their form, their mind and even their nature, essentially opening new worlds of possibilities with each use, or closing them when users aspire to a more simple life", why should it be defined as something it isn't made to be? --Kuopiofi (talk) 10:34, October 22, 2016 (UTC)

If you want to change the name, remember that it'll be your job to change the links to that page. --Kuopiofi (talk) 13:16, October 22, 2016 (UTC)

That'd work.

What do you think, would Limitation Transcendence be Variation, sub-power or just Association? --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:15, October 22, 2016 (UTC)

Let's go with Variation then. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:01, October 22, 2016 (UTC)

Have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:35, October 23, 2016 (UTC)

Very strange application of Time Manipulation or Temporal Entity Physiology? No idea. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:36, October 24, 2016 (UTC)

If you can't find Users that aren't simply serving, what difference is there? --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:03, October 24, 2016 (UTC)

Try to find other user but otherwise go ahead. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:52, October 24, 2016 (UTC)

I agree with that, RM seems to fit better as a sub-power of OM. Gabriel456 (talk) 15:45, October 25, 2016 (UTC)

yeah Gabriel456 (talk) 15:48, October 25, 2016 (UTC)

Point, go ahead. Remember to change the links and you might want to add it into Afterlife Manipulation and all it's Variations while you're at it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:51, October 25, 2016 (UTC)

It was called that for a reason
It was called Underworld Guardian for a very good reason, the normal afterlife doesn't need or require guardians, but the underworld does. Thats why I called it that in the first place.SageM (talk) 18:02, October 25, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Actually it is, and always has been the only one with a guardian. Heaven has never required guardians, nor has any other peaceful afterlife since the beginning of fiction. it has always only been the underworld or hell that requires them.

Trust me, I did my research when I made the page so I know what I am talking about.SageM (talk) 18:07, October 25, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Have you ever seen anyone in fiction want to actually leave heaven? Or ever bother the living while there(not counting the Supernatural series since that entire thing was a one-off in an attempt to contact god)?

No they don't and they haven't. Sure heavens gate may be the protector of heaven in VC, but her role is completely unnecessary as the inhabitants/souls of people in heaven would have no desire to leave and no reason or wish to bother the living or anyone else. Thus calling it afterlife guardian is meaningless. This power is only for those places where they dead would try to bother the living or try to escape the afterlife. Thats why its called a Paradise, in paradise you have no wish to bother or harm anyone and simply enjoy yourselves endlessly.

Like I said before, do more research first before you say things like that.SageM (talk) 18:19, October 25, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Well, at least you two took your argument from my Talk-page...

Boundary Transcendence is deleted so you should be able to rename MT. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:08, October 25, 2016 (UTC)

U-DO from Xenosaga is a user, and I think there are a few more, but I have to check.SageM (talk) 21:17, October 25, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Aside from boundaries, what else is there to transcend ?

DYBAD (talk) 21:23, October 25, 2016 (UTC)

Meta Transcendence was originally a perfect version of Self Transcendence, which is about surpassing one's limitations, simply replacing "Self" with "Meta" to reflect the limitlessness of this version. The relation with Boundary Manipulation arose later on, when realizing this logic was similar to BM on a personal level.

DYBAD (talk) 21:38, October 25, 2016 (UTC)

Isn't that what Omnilock is about ? Existing separately from the (rest of the) Totality ? It's not so much "transcendence" as simply isolation, isn't it ?

DYBAD (talk) 21:43, October 25, 2016 (UTC)

"they're not just outside of it, they're beyond everything on it, including everything by itself"

Er... what does that mean ? ^ ^; DYBAD (talk) 21:49, October 25, 2016 (UTC)

Actually if your transcending anything/everything/nothing, the wouldn't Omni-Transcendence be a better name instead?SageM (talk) 21:51, October 25, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Yes, since it fits the definition much better.SageM (talk) 21:58, October 25, 2016 (UTC)SageM

I mean, what's the actual difference between "outside" and "beyond" ? What is the clear-cut empirical line separating them ? The meaning seems so close in practice they could almost be synonymous. DYBAD (talk) 22:01, October 25, 2016 (UTC)

Hmm... now I think about it, isn't the metaphysical bonds tying you to the Totality a limitation in its own right ? Isn't gradually overcoming them the definition of "existential" transcendence ? DYBAD (talk) 22:06, October 25, 2016 (UTC)

So Omni-Transcendence would be essentially Omnipotence rather than Omnilock ?

DYBAD (talk) 22:20, October 25, 2016 (UTC)

I see ! So a transcendence-focused perspective on the more general Omnipotence. Hmm... seems harder to pull off than other forms/expressions, since transcendence is already a central feature of the normal version, while others are typically focused on functional/contextual specialization (Like Reality Dreaming, definitely Omnipotence-level but exotic enough to count as a power of its own).

DYBAD (talk) 22:28, October 25, 2016 (UTC)

I'm affraid that's exactly what the current Meta Transcendence is all about ^ ^; It relies on the concept of "limitations" is a broad sense, allowing you to become what you're currently not by selectively "phasing" through the metaphorical "roof/floor/wall" separating you from the desired state of being. DYBAD (talk) 22:33, October 25, 2016 (UTC)

Hmm... sounds good to me, though you should probably emphasize the "form/expression of Omnipotence" part in the definition, to avoid Omnipotence fans jumping at your throat ^ ^; DYBAD (talk) 22:35, October 25, 2016 (UTC)

Two other users for Omni-Transcendence- Empty Hand from DC/Ultra Comics and Overmonitor from DC Comics.SageM (talk) 22:43, October 25, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Empty Hand actually might be an even better example then Kami Tenchi for Omni-Transcendence, since he is a literal representation of the Reader(as in the real life person/people reading the story), in other words the reader literally transcends anything/everything and there is no way to fight or defeat it, as it either begin or end any/all fictional verses simply by beginning or stopping a story. and the reader even transcends the Alpha Reality and the Totality as well. Also without the reader the Authors work is meaningless, and could simply be shelved at a moments notice. Also while the author can exist inside the story in some form, the reader will always exist beyond it no matter what.SageM (talk) 05:53, October 26, 2016 (UTC)SageM

So is the difference between Meta Transcendence and Omni Transcendence cleared? Still want to make OT? --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:12, October 26, 2016 (UTC)

Have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 12:40, October 26, 2016 (UTC)

Frostbite I'd say, if she can do more with the cold, Cold Manipulation, if that includes ice, Ice Manipulation.

Depends on what the Abyss in this case means, Hell, void between existence, other plane? --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:09, October 27, 2016 (UTC)

Nonexistence/Nothingness Manipulation? --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:00, October 27, 2016 (UTC)

Abyss/Dark Abyss may have bit too strong connections to Hell and similar places. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:12, October 27, 2016 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned, go ahead and add it. Just be prepared to explain the reasoning if people start to argue. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:13, October 28, 2016 (UTC)

When you Edit, please use only the section you're chancing. Fore some reason certain members full-page Edits mess up the collapsed Galleries and you're one of them. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:47, October 30, 2016 (UTC)

Malleable Anatomy/Appendage Generation/Body Manipulation --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:09, November 10, 2016 (UTC)

You're right about me not caring much about what you have to say, also I've read the manga and watched the anime regardless of their differences power levels are pretty much exactly the same; and regardless of whether or not he simulated the gravity or not he said it was just as strong as a black hole.--Armyeater (talk) 18:29, November 11, 2016 (UTC)

If standing on that is not strong enough then I will add the level back to supernatural strength.--Armyeater (talk) 18:31, November 11, 2016 (UTC)

I still know Saitama will get on absolute strength one day, but I re-added him to supernatural and recreated the levels.--Armyeater (talk) 18:54, November 11, 2016 (UTC)

It only says he was cleaved in two, it doesn't say he is actually dead. So its quite likely he is Incapacitated just like how garlic jr was.SageM (talk) 04:19, November 13, 2016 (UTC)SageM

He is still listed as being around in the next episode, as it says the fight continues between trunks and zamasu. So its best to be absolutely certain when it comes to matters like this.SageM (talk) 04:23, November 13, 2016 (UTC)SageM

From the Dragon Ball Wiki-

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/With_New_Hope!!_In_Our_Hearts_Farewell,_Trunks

It clearly lists the battle between them continues right on the page. So the fight is not completely over yet. This is the next episode, so like I said before its best to be certain on the matter.SageM (talk) 04:28, November 13, 2016 (UTC)SageM

For all we know, the attack could simply have defused them.SageM (talk) 04:31, November 13, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Bit too specific I'd say. --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:31, November 16, 2016 (UTC)

If Zamasu was only becoming the universe itself then why exactly did Zen-oh destroy the entire multiverse in order to stop him? Zamasu was not limited to the universe as his reach was spreading out everywhere and even beginning to break into the present from the future. And if you remember present zamasu was already destroyed so there should have been no place for him there to appear.SageM (talk) 22:23, November 20, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Also considering that the time ring was likely destroyed when Zamasu's body was, truly means it should have been impossible for him to enter the present era, let alone manifest part of himself there.SageM (talk) 22:27, November 20, 2016 (UTC)SageM

Vote Now
http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Absolute_Strength#comm-245917

To settle this once and for all Imouto 15:00, November 26, 2016 (UTC)Imouto-tan

Please note the part where it said starts? "Anything" isn't very descriptive.

But you get the credit for chancing all pages at least this time. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:57, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

When you Edit, please use only the section you're chancing. Fore some reason certain members full-page Edits mess up the collapsed Galleries and you're one of them. Second warning.

I seriously hate when those I write answer before I get the edited version posted... --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:08, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

When you Edit, please use only the section you're chancing. Fore some reason certain members full-page Edits mess up the collapsed Galleries and you're one of them. Third warning. Didn't take long... --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:18, November 27, 2016 (UTC)

As long as you change all the links to that page, here. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:49, November 27, 2016 (UTC)

umm are the one who created the page almigthy ascension  i think training regimen should be on the list why theres a zenith on the list training regimen should have the potential too dont you think and you can achive absolute feats on in training regimen i think we should put it inLudwigranola (talk) 16:51, November 27, 2016 (UTC)

Yes it is go ahead and remove Saitama Imouto 17:50, November 27, 2016 (UTC)Imouto-tan

but i know you can rival it u can transcend your own boundariesLudwigranola (talk) 01:09, November 28, 2016 (UTC)

zenith can also be achive by training regimen LOL XD you can already see it its already applied in absolute condition and ability transcede how can you still say its not valid and that page says it canachive to many forms you know almigthy ascension

geez Training regimen is associated with self transcendence means you can go higher  lets example this goku as ssj god training will be enough rigth just look at him

Move in a sense of moving the target or in controlling the movements? Also, how long time that control lasts? --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:58, November 30, 2016 (UTC)

Telekinesis is the closest thing I can think. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:24, November 30, 2016 (UTC)

Bit too specific I think, maybe expand it into Characteristic(?) Borrowing, Power Borrowing the Enhanced Condition/Supernatural Condition/Absolute Conditions of others. --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:42, December 2, 2016 (UTC)

12. No repeated Editing/Undoing of the same thing. If this becomes problem take it to Comments/Talk and talk it out instead of repeatedly messing with the page. --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:48, December 2, 2016 (UTC)

In that case, just replace PB with Power Replication. --Kuopiofi (talk) 22:02, December 2, 2016 (UTC)

Heh heh! Why thanks for the info! CrystalStorm51 (talk) 01:09, December 3, 2016 (UTC)

Deal. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:34, December 3, 2016 (UTC)

Say, do you know any applications and associations for Prima Materia Manipulation, a power I plan to do, besides Alchemy, Matter Manipulation and Transmutation? Here is what it is in case you don't know what it is.

http://morningstarportal.tripod.com/primamateria.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prima_materia CrystalStorm51 (talk) 19:52, December 13, 2016 (UTC)

Would those be applications or associations? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 19:54, December 13, 2016 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 20:01, December 13, 2016 (UTC)

Hello there. What do you think of my Prima Materia Manipulation page? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 22:59, December 16, 2016 (UTC)

Why thanks! CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:04, December 16, 2016 (UTC)

Astronomical Object Manipulation:
Hey man. Just wanted to tell you that the reason I removed some parts of Astronomical Object Manipulation is because few of them aren't actual celestial objects. After all, celestial objects is what you can see in outer space, such as planets, black holes, suns, stars, moons, asteroids, etc.

Things like quantum strings, dark matter, orbital force, and the void aren't celestial objects. The only exception would be orbital force as one would use that power to manipulate said celestial objects. Things like quantum strings and dark matter and the voids are more universal and spread out, being concepts, rather than physical objects like a asteroid and the like. SDPanthera (talk) 17:05, December 17, 2016 (UTC)

Ah okay, I just saw. Based on that, I'd agree, but the wikipedia page still has them as hypothetical things, and most people aren't really aware of things like quantum strings, dark matter and voids as actual celestial objects Not even things like White Holes are yet really confimed. More, I just checked the respective wikipedia pages of dark matter, voids and quantum/cosmic strings, and there is nothing about them that states them as actual celestial objects.

That said, however, I do agree they have a part to play, so maybe quantum strings, voids and dark matter could go under Associations for the page? SDPanthera (talk) 17:23, December 17, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, you told me about them. I believe one of them was Gaia, I think, which is pretty obvious as Uranus is the Sky.SDPanthera (talk) 23:44, December 17, 2016 (UTC)

No problem. i already found a very nice picture of Uranus. Just have to find another for Gaia. SDPanthera (talk) 00:00, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

Cycle Transcendence
It says transcend universal cycles. Plural not just one or two all of them. The power is way beyond life and death its like transcending a system that life and death still play a part in. --Я☻ҰĀℓğטĀЯб-Єℓ│דЄ (talk) 16:08, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

That really would not make sense which is why I made a point of putting in the capabilities that "Most high level beings, no matter how powerful/old, are only fulfilling their role in the current cycle they are in, and when that cycle ends they will as well."

Just because you transcend life and death does not mean you can transcend universe cycles. The Living Tribunal was way beyond life and death but he still succumbed to a cycle. Beginning, Middle and End. Also you can't get on here and tell other users what you think there power should do. Just because you created life and death transcendence doesn't mean I have to lessen the scope of my power to include yours. --Я☻ҰĀℓğטĀЯб-Єℓ│דЄ (talk) 16:20, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

That statement was in reference to high level marvel abstract who were born at the beginning of the current marvel verse. They represent important universal functions but they are still bound by the cycles of the universe. Also no, the title is correct. If you look on the cycle embodiment page that is everything this power transcends. So Beginning(Creation), Middle(Preservation) and End(Destruction). --Я☻ҰĀℓğטĀЯб-Єℓ│דЄ (talk) 16:32, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

After you've finished the argument with RG-E, we've had bit too many repeat Edits lately...

12. No repeated Editing/Undoing of the same thing. If this becomes problem take it to Comments/Talk and talk it out instead of repeatedly messing with the page. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:35, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

The only thing that defines my powers are the users and what they are capable of. I only tailor the powers I make to ideas I get from users. So no I am not just looking at the cycle embodiment page apps. I got the idea from death of the endless and the phoenix force which both have shown the ability to transcend cycles as I described it on the capabilities. --Я☻ҰĀℓğטĀЯб-Єℓ│דЄ (talk) 16:46, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

Death of the endless may be the personification of life and death but you know she is neither truly alive or dead so she still transcends them. Also life and death is only seen as beggining and end for low level species who are still bound by death. In fictional universes there are a lot of species who have exceeded that limitation a long time ago. Also Ouroboros is more like a cycle embodiment user. She is the cycle, I mean as you say she represents the concept of the eternal return.--Я☻ҰĀℓğטĀЯб-Єℓ│דЄ (talk) 16:59, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah it seems Chaos as you describe her could fit. Also maybe life and death transcendence is an aspect of conceptual transcendence. The reason I say that is because I looked at the page and it says any/all concepts. You can ask but I think it would be hard to make life and death a complete variation of that power. Я☻ҰĀℓğטĀЯб-Єℓ│דЄ (talk) 17:23, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

Say, do you know any good applications for Deformation Manipulation, which deals with stuff like this?

http://plaza.ufl.edu/ruxi/Summary_web_files/image030.jpg CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:21, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, physical deformation, but not the kind as in biologically mutiliating, but changing an object's shape. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:26, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

Cycle Embodiment? --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:04, December 19, 2016 (UTC)

You seem to have pretty good idea about what to do. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:19, December 19, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for asking. ChocolateElemental (talk) 21:13, December 19, 2016 (UTC)

No, gets too specific. --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:25, December 21, 2016 (UTC)

Say, do you think Skill Adaptation is an okay power to do? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:40, December 23, 2016 (UTC)

Seed Manipulation? --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:35, December 24, 2016 (UTC)

Works, have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:35, December 24, 2016 (UTC)

Knowledge Embodiment, History Embodiment, Living Database, Omnilegence, Indexing, Boundless Inner World, Akashic Plane Manipulation. Take your pick.SageM (talk) 21:13, January 1, 2017 (UTC)SageM

Aspect Embodiment/Manifestation - pretty much Power Manifestation

Beginning Embodiment - bit to Origin Embodiment --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:46, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

1a1. If it can be described as "like (power) but/except", just add new Limitation. --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:08, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

Aspect Embodiment is basically "may not embody full concept/may embody only certain aspect of concept" into Limitations.

Beginning Embodiment - doable but you need to make the difference clear. --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:29, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

You mean like Death Aspect Manifestation/Life Aspect Manifestation? How exactly would that work? Examples of the aspects you'd use? --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:39, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

Sounds good, have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:48, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

Necessity and Compulsion are also aspects of fate.SageM (talk) 19:04, January 2, 2017 (UTC)SageM

Say, what do you think of this idea: Terrain Mode? It is the ability to have a mode that allows one act/have great mobility on all kinds of terrain, whether uneven, rough or steep. It is kind of like an off-road mode. Should I name it All-Terrain Mobility instead? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:11, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

So how do you like the idea overall? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 22:30, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks.

And not sure if I can help you on that one. I can try and come up with something if you want't but, I don't know. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 22:34, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

Have you tried something related to chance? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 22:40, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

If you want a power that has been done here, how about Possibilities Embodiment?

Oh, by the way, for the name of my power, how is Enhanced Traction?

As for your power, again, maybe I should make a Climax Embodiment power to help? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 22:52, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

The ability to embody climax, which is "the most intense, exciting, or important point of something; a culmination or apex". To me, it is somewhere in the middle between beginning and end. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 22:56, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps I should make Purpose Embodiment, then? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:03, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

I guess I will do that right now. BTW, you didn't answer my question for my other power. What do you think of the name, Enhanced Traction? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:09, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

It's another name for All-Terrain Mobility. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:14, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for your opinion. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:23, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

"He is said to live since before the creation of the universe. When the universe is towards its end, he creates 11 rudras from him to destroy the universe for a new one to be created.

He expands himself as garbhodakshayi-vishnu in the beginning of the universe to create Brahman."

Shesha was the first being, before Brahman even existed, and thus is responsible for its existence.

This is referencing Ananta-Shesha under a different name, but its still the same being. In other words, Shesha created Brahman. And thus everything that is, was, wasn't, and so on and so on.

Ananta-Shesha is the only truly timeless and infinite being in Hindu mythology, as its name literally translates as Infinite One (Ananta) and He Who Remains (Shesha)

Brahman has a lifespan, while Ananta-Shesha has none. He will always exist unchanged and forever.SageM (talk) 06:24, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM

Hindu mythology is full of strange and random contradictions, so its best just to accept what little truth there is of it.SageM (talk) 06:27, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM

The Shin Megami Tensei series did the exact same thing as well, they have Brahman as one of the bosses you can fight, and its literally the same being from hindu mythology, and yet he was still created by The Great Will. ^^;;;

Well, it doesn't really matter I suppose, these are topics best left to theologians and philosphers....SageM (talk) 06:33, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM

Anyway, I am just going to see what Kuo says before I decide whether or not to make it.SageM (talk) 06:39, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM

This a power that exists above Totality Creation, the Alpha/Omni Reality is responsible for the Totality as it couldn't have even come into existence otherwise.

Currently there are only two true users of this power, and Kami Tenchi and the Chousin are not one of them.SageM (talk) 06:48, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM

"The Alpha Reality defines everything and all things are just products of AR such things as Logic, paradox, sub-reality, boundaries, principles, concepts and perceptions are all defined and only exist because they are all products of Alpha Reality."

The Alpha Reality by its very description is the source of the totality.

After all, how could the totality have a connection to everything if there wasn't originally something for it to connect too?SageM (talk) 07:00, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM

Totality Creation already exists as a power- Grand Design Construction. Alpha/Omni Reality Creation/Brahman Creation is the next step up. Hey, we have several powers that are said to be equal to or greater then omnipotence, so who is to say we can't have something higher then a totality? I mean after all we have something that exists outside of it- Omnilock.

Anyway, its up for Kuo decide at this point. So I am just going to see what he says first.

Till that happens will just let this conversation end here, ok?SageM (talk) 07:12, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM

More evidence of Shesha and Brahman's connection-

"the term Ananta used in the phrase: "anadi (begininngless) ananta (endless) akhanda (unbroken) sat-chit-ananda (being-consciousness-bliss)” refers to the Infinite, the single non-dual reality, It denotes Brahman."

Hard to argue with that. ^^;;SageM (talk) 07:41, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM

Do you mind spacing out the text you posted on Kuo's page? that way it doesn't look so run together, especially since you wrote an lot more on there then I did. Since I don't want him to think we were arguing on his talk page.

Thanks.SageM (talk) 07:50, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM

I have a user for your Grain Manipulation power idea- The Black King from Drifters.SageM (talk) 08:16, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM

If you've figured out how it works, go ahead. --Kuopiofi (talk) 10:20, January 3, 2017 (UTC)

Skadi from Gokukoku no Brynhildr has Absolute Precognition, what ever she sees happen will happen, no matter what. and cannot be avoided or changed.SageM (talk) 18:49, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM

Thanks for the tip. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 20:12, January 3, 2017 (UTC)

Could use better name but usable. Connections to Destiny Perception? --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:29, January 3, 2017 (UTC)

The edit you made was not only unnecessary, its already a different power- Cosmic Keystone.

I framed the power the way it is because otherwise it sounds like a power thats already on here.SageM (talk) 20:46, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM

Actually it does make sense, Since the Alpha Reality is the creator, as it creates all of creation/realities.

If your creating the Alpha Reality your creating the very thing that creates things. Thus Creating the Creator.SageM (talk) 20:53, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM

Also the point is to keep the powers separate, while the Alpha Reality may be the Cosmic Keystone, its not considered as part of the capabilities of omni reality creation. So it was unnecessary.SageM (talk) 20:55, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM

Not quite there... --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:59, January 3, 2017 (UTC)

Flawless Precognition works, others could be Also Called. --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:02, January 3, 2017 (UTC)

Actually creating the Creator would actually be physically possible, through heavy use of Paradox Manipulation, Logic Manipulation/Metapotence and a dash of time travel. Though the insane contradictions that would arise from such an act would like screw up the basic workings of existence.... ^^SageM (talk) 21:10, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM

In other words, it may lead to a divide by zero scenario.SageM (talk) 21:12, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM

seems good to me, have at it Gabriel456 (talk) 00:33, January 4, 2017 (UTC)

Heh heh! That is why I asked. Some luck power must have already been done before it, huh? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 01:15, January 4, 2017 (UTC)

Say, what about this? Disembodiment. It is the power to exist without a body or form. Would that work? I still have to get approval for it, but what do you think? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 01:59, January 4, 2017 (UTC)

How is this then? Form Removal? It should be self-explanatory. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 02:03, January 4, 2017 (UTC)

Process Speed Manipulation?SageM (talk) 03:17, January 4, 2017 (UTC)SageM

So its Event Teleportation then?SageM (talk) 03:34, January 4, 2017 (UTC)SageM

Future Antecipation? --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:47, January 4, 2017 (UTC)

Doable but needs very good description. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:22, January 4, 2017 (UTC)

Say, has Statistical Manipulation, a power yet to get approved, been done before? Basically, it is the power to see all the possibilities, such as actions, reactions and results of any decision, and make it so one of those things happens. This would be different from Accelerated Probability in that it is not limited to what the user themselves could take. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 03:51, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

Say, do you have any applications and associations for that Future Deceleration power I am going to make? The one that delays the future instead of accelerating it? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 17:03, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

That will work. Thanks. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 18:49, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

Well, that makes sense, then. You do that, if you wish. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 19:10, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

So why did you change it that way? --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:59, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

By making it more like Future Manipulation? --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:05, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

Go ahead, just remember to change the links. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:17, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

Say, is Future Acceleration going to be a separate power from Future Order Manipulation, still? Just wondering. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 20:18, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

What I meant was, if so, do you want to make it?

Kuopiofi did say go ahead with the name change, by the way, in case you missed his message above. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 20:24, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

Soo... is Future Acceleration to be be done or is it going to be only Future Order Manipulation? Cause that thing about chancing links is still in force. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:44, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I will do Future Acceleration myself. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:05, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

Could you clarify that, please? Sorry for not understanding. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:41, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

Possibility Manipulation just manipulates what is possible, like what the laws of physics would or would not allow. This one chooses which event/consequence comes into being. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:47, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

Forthe first few questions, pretty much.

As for the last question about Future Order Manipulation, maybe, and perhaps Future Manipulation, too. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:58, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

BTW, what do you think of Xeno-Accelerated Probability? It is like Accelerated Probability, but it sees the possible consequences of others' actions rather than the user's own. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 22:15, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

Okay then. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 22:23, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

Say, is there a power like Actualization, the ability to bring things into existence? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 20:33, January 8, 2017 (UTC)

Say, do you have any applications and associations for a power called Reproduction Manipulation aside from Fertility Manipulation? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 09:35, January 10, 2017 (UTC)

Did you get my last message? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 11:02, January 10, 2017 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 11:06, January 10, 2017 (UTC)

Dimensional Summoning is pretty much default setting of Summoning, right on Capabilities.

Go ahead with the Nephalem physiology, it doesn't really need more than mention on Capabilities. --Kuopiofi (talk) 11:55, January 10, 2017 (UTC)

Usable, have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:43, January 11, 2017 (UTC)

Doable. --Kuopiofi (talk) 02:40, January 12, 2017 (UTC)

Okay then. Thanks.

By the way, got any applications and associations for Blessing Manipulation? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 15:48, January 12, 2017 (UTC)

Call it Destructive/Destruction Aura and go ahead. --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:19, January 13, 2017 (UTC)

Did you get my last message? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 20:33, January 13, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 22:17, January 13, 2017 (UTC)

Say, do you know a user for Unknown Manipulation? Basically, it is the ability to manipulate what is generally or completely unknown to any/everyone. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:30, January 15, 2017 (UTC)

What about Uncertainty Manipulation and Pataphysics Manipulation? Would this work as a sub power of those powers or do those powers truly cover Unknown Manipulation? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:48, January 15, 2017 (UTC)

Okay, if you say so. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:59, January 15, 2017 (UTC)

Well, SageM did say that Uncertainty Manipulation covers Unknown Manipulation, as it is also called Unknown Warping. Maybe I should call it Mystery Manipulation instead? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 00:03, January 16, 2017 (UTC)

Well, if you say so. I'll still wait to see if Sage has anything to say on the matter. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 00:06, January 16, 2017 (UTC)

Uncertainty deals with imperfect or unknown information, thats the literal defintion of uncertainty. It even says so on not just the wikipedia article but even in the actual dictionary definition of the word as well.

Sorry but there is no difference.SageM (talk) 00:11, January 16, 2017 (UTC)SageM

Um, you might want to try this.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/uncertain?s=t

From the wikipedia page-

"Uncertainty is a situation which involves imperfect and/or unknown information. However, "uncertainty is an unintelligible expression without a straightforward description". It arises in subtly different ways in a number of fields, including insurance, philosophy, physics, statistics, economics, finance, psychology, sociology, engineering, metrology, and information science. It applies to predictions of future events, to physical measurements that are already made, or to the unknown. Uncertainty arises in partially observable and/or stochastic environments, as well as due to ignorance and/or indolence."

Seriously, its the definition of uncertainty.

for example we can't say what the weather will be like tomorrow, as its an unknown. as only time will tell what it is. sure we can guess but no matter what its an unknown and uncertain factor.

Thats what uncertainty is and has always been.SageM (talk) 00:17, January 16, 2017 (UTC)SageM

What if I were to change it so the power were to manipulate unknown matter and energies, and maybe even concepts, and not just what isn't known to anyone? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 00:22, January 16, 2017 (UTC)

Uncertainty is literally another name for Unknown, and the reverse is true as well. There the same exact thing just with a different name. There is no difference between them, despite what you may think.

Sorry but thats how it has always been. Seriously I have both a dictionary and thesaurus in front of me and they both say the exact same thing. If you can't believe the dictionary's definition then you are disbelieving the actual meaning of the word. ^^;;SageM (talk) 00:26, January 16, 2017 (UTC)SageM

Say, do you have any applications/associations for Malfunction Inducement and Malfunction Manipulation? Basically, those powers can induce and manipulate malfunctions and glitches, in machines, biological systems and even spacetime/reality/physical laws. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:32, January 27, 2017 (UTC)

Did you get my last message? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 13:25, January 28, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks anyways. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 13:43, January 28, 2017 (UTC)

Hello there. You know a good user for Spatial Direction Manipulation? Basically, this manipulates a direction and everything in it. So basically, this makes west become east, east become north, north become south, you get the idea. Everything in that direction is also rearranged into another direction, and space may be rearranged/pushed aside for those directions as well. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:19, January 29, 2017 (UTC)

Say, you know some good applications for Consequence Creation and Consequence Removal? Basically, those powers create and remove (respectively) consequences of possible courses of action. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:28, February 2, 2017 (UTC)

It's bit easier with Greek Mythology as they have both protogenoi and daimons, which literally are the things. --Kuopiofi (talk) 13:24, February 4, 2017 (UTC)

Doable, have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:32, February 10, 2017 (UTC)

Neith is said to have been "born the first, in the time when as yet there had been no birth"

This statement applies to all versions of neith, not just one. Thus she is not a user.SageM (talk) 21:14, February 10, 2017 (UTC)SageM

Doable, but please no element-specific variations. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:17, February 22, 2017 (UTC)

a user for your power.
Hi, I have a user for your Elemental Guardianship power idea- Arc from Arc The Lad, who was chosen by the 5 elemental spirits to be their protector and representative and thus by extension acts as guardian of the elemental powers.`SageM (talk) 21:26, February 24, 2017 (UTC)SageM

Alright, thanks. And Nemesis from what series? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:02, February 28, 2017 (UTC)

OH, okay then. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:10, February 28, 2017 (UTC)

Hey, you know any good applications for Reward Manipulation? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:15, March 1, 2017 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:42, March 1, 2017 (UTC)

Doable. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:15, March 3, 2017 (UTC)

Hmm sounds like a good idea to me 👍 Imouto 12:17, March 9, 2017 (UTC)Imouto-tan

Yo there, do you know any possible applications and associations for Sequence Manipulation and Problem Manipulation? The latter is the ability to manipulate problems, making them worse, making them solved or just altering them, while the former manipulates the sequence of, well, anything. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 00:06, March 15, 2017 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 00:11, March 15, 2017 (UTC)

Hello there. What do you think of my Unimpaired Activity page? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:17, March 17, 2017 (UTC)

Glad you like it. Thanks. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:21, March 17, 2017 (UTC)

12. No repeated Editing/Undoing of the same thing. If this becomes problem take it to Comments/Talk and talk it out instead of repeatedly messing with the page. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:27, March 18, 2017 (UTC)

I know, just making a point before things escalate. -_-; --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:38, March 18, 2017 (UTC)

Hey there. What do you think of my new power, Selective Inertia? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:44, March 25, 2017 (UTC)

Okay then, if you say so. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 22:52, March 25, 2017 (UTC)

Divine-Demonic Energy Manipulation?

Multipresence - how'd it be different from Replication? --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:16, March 28, 2017 (UTC)

Both doable but need good description. Have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:17, March 28, 2017 (UTC)

OK. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:23, March 29, 2017 (UTC)

Have fun, but figure out how Snake Den relates to it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:34, March 31, 2017 (UTC)

Ok then tell me that is'nt Transcendent Nephalem Physiology supposed to be stronger than Transcendent Angel Physiology then why does it have less almighty powers compared to it ?

Then why do both Fallen Transcendent Angel Physiology and Transcendent Angel Physiology have those powers ?

Ok then here is a page that I am thinking of posting. Would you have some suggestions ? - VarunpMenon

Logic Transcendence


 * Better to be without logic than without feeling. - Charlotte Bronte.

The power to transcend logic and common sense. Ultimate version of Self Transcendence Sub-power of Almighty Ascension. Variation of Logic Manipulation and Metapotence. Not to be confused with Meta Transcendence.

Also Called

 * Reasoning/Rationality Transendence

Capabilities
Since Logic, is the base of all phenomena, transcending it grants the user the power to ignore and transcend all rules of logic, reason and understanding. User is able to do anything without any limit or condition, including the conceptually impossible and logically impossible feats.

Applications (General)

 * Omnipotence
 * Omnipresence
 * Omniscience

Applications (Detail)

 * Absolute Condition
 * Absolute Change
 * Absolute Existence
 * Absolute Force Manipulation
 * Absolute Will
 * Absolute Wish
 * Author Authority
 * Boundary Manipulation
 * Causality Manipulation
 * Complete Arsenal
 * Concept Manipulation
 * Conceptual Transcendence
 * Existence Declaration
 * Existence Manipulation
 * Grand Design Construction
 * Illogical World Creation
 * Illogical Construct Creation
 * Impossibility Inducement
 * Immutability
 * Infinite Supply
 * Knowledge Manipulation
 * Limitation Transcendence
 * Logic Defiance
 * Logic Mandate
 * Logic Manipulation
 * Meta Power Manipulation
 * Meta Probability Manipulation
 * Nonexistence/Omnificence
 * Omni-Magic
 * Omni-Perception
 * Omnikinesis
 * Omnilock
 * Omniverse Manipulation
 * Paradox Manipulation
 * Pataphysics Manipulation
 * Perfection
 * Possibility Inducement
 * Reality Warping
 * Science Manipulation
 * Subjective Reality
 * Status Manipulation
 * Status Lock
 * Totality Manipulation
 * Truth Manipulation
 * Ultimate Invincibility
 * Ultipotence
 * Unity
 * Universal Manipulation
 * Variable Manipulation

Variations

 * Logic Embodiment
 * Meta Transcendence

Associations

 * Almighty Ascension
 * Omnipotence
 * Metapotence

It's okay but thanks anyways - VarunpMenon

Hello there, I was thinking of making an Embodiment Manipulation page. It would be the ability to manipulate embodiments of anything. Now, I tried doing that last year, but Kuo wouldm't let me, for he said, "It's essentially indirect Reality Warping/Nigh Omnipotence by manipulating the Embodiments." Just wondering; what do you think of this reasoning? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:19, March 31, 2017 (UTC)

I see.

I did not think it was indriect Reality Warping or Nigh Omnipotence anyway. I mean, each embodiment is different in terms of what is represented. How could that be manipulating reality, anyway? You think I should give it another try? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:30, March 31, 2017 (UTC)

I'll give it a shot then. Thanks. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:41, March 31, 2017 (UTC)

Say, for Avatar Manipulation, would this also make this different from Reality Warping: working only on people and objects that embody things rather than reality as a whole? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 14:56, April 1, 2017 (UTC)

Okay then. Thanks. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 15:29, April 1, 2017 (UTC)

Can I put something like transcendent omnipotence ? - VarunpMenon

Say, what do you think of this idea? Prime Mover Manipulation. Basically, this is the ability to manipulate the source of all motion in the universe. With this power, one could alter and enhance all motion as well as stopping it completely. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:57, April 5, 2017 (UTC)

Strange. Last time I checked, Motion Manipulation was more of Speed Manipulation. I checked again, and did not expect to see that change. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 00:13, April 6, 2017 (UTC)

12. No repeated Editing/Undoing of the same thing. If this becomes problem take it to Comments/Talk and talk it out instead of repeatedly messing with the page. --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:49, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

Arena Empowerment, Cheering Empowerment, Fame Empowerment, Notoriety Empowerment --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:16, November 24, 2017 (UTC)

That pretty much cheering someone. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:32, November 25, 2017 (UTC)

About Totality
Hi brother, I'd like to discuss a few things with you. Can we, if not inconvenient?

1- Totality includes EVERYTHING, so include our universe where I am writing this message for you there. Our own universe and all that it contains and everything it is, ie, our own universe (with its physical laws, mathematical laws, laws of logic, properties, contents, truths, structure, etc ...?

Vitorriq (talk) 12:49, March 11, 2018 (UTC)

Soo. Answer me, please. Yes or no?

I am telling ALL of Totality and not a small part that only covers fiction.

Vitorriq (talk) 23:46, March 11, 2018 (UTC)

Tsubasa16 I made new comments on the Omnipotence page you can reply on and check out.

Also I think you are interesting and cool.

One question I have about you is what is your avatar picture. I've never seen that avatar picture before.--Pokemonfan807 (talk) 20:56, August 15, 2018 (UTC)

Its an maybe limitation, and will always be a maybe limitation.

Sorry but it stays the way it is.

Besides the main user of the power has already manipulated two of the known users of life and death transcendence, which means that they aren't immune (and they are powerful as their original counterparts are in shin megami tensei, so the point stands)

its not going to be changed, so just leave it alone.SageM (talk) 23:55, September 18, 2018 (UTC)SageM

Also consider that ALM is a sub-power of Author Authority, which can easily control the lives of even users of Life and Death Transcendence, and remember that AA doesn't have limitations, which means that your point is considered to be invalid and thus the power stays as is.SageM (talk) 23:59, September 18, 2018 (UTC)SageM

Hi sageM. Hi tsubasa16.--Pokemonfan807 (talk) 00:04, September 19, 2018 (UTC)

Anyway sageM don't be so harsh to tsubasa16. Hes a user just like you and me.--Pokemonfan807 (talk) 00:05, September 19, 2018 (UTC)

SageM i think you are really annoying sometimes. I don't mind you but sometimes you can get really annoying and act bossy. Anyway im done talking to you so leave tsubasa16 alone and PISS OFF.--Pokemonfan807 (talk) 00:07, September 19, 2018 (UTC)

There's something like that with Fairy Tail characters on the main pic, but that's about all I can remember. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:16, September 19, 2018 (UTC)

He was quite clear about it not having limitations.
DYBADs comment on the page itself was pretty clear on that. Nonexistence has no exceptions, because if it does then its not considered nonexistence anymore.

Absolute Restoration would really only count as a limitation for Erasure instead.

At this point I would say his answer is always going to be the same thing, which is No.

He has made himself quite clear on that fact, and he won't accept any limitations to the power except for omnificence. So asking him isn't going to get you anywhere.

Especially since he removed all the previous limitations that were added, and kept removing them everytime someone added them back or added new ones.

So asking him to add a limitation because of how it works isn't going to cut it with him, as he said the same exact thing about Omnilock.SageM (talk) 19:54, September 21, 2018 (UTC)SageM

Also I am pretty sure that someone added Absolute Restoration to the limitations once before, and it was still removed in the end.

Since thats the case, it stands to reason that he isn't going to accept it as a limitation anyway.SageM (talk) 19:58, September 21, 2018 (UTC)SageM