Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-26868134-20161010191923/@comment-30137764-20161011165429

Holokami wrote: Just a few clarifying points:

- I only used master and advanced levels as further examples.

- In regards to telepathy vs willpower, I did say who ever is more powerful wins, or whoever hits first.

- The scenarios I gave were master/ultimate level telekinesis, yes, but they're not absolute. If we started going on about absolute powers, and thus embodiments, nobody would win. It would again be a case of who hits first. ^^

- As mentioned, telekinesis can't be directly comabted as it acts directly and instantaneously on matter/physical energy. All you can do is prepare defenses before hand.

- I never brought up conceptual powers, like definition manipulation, because those are in another tier of power altogether, and thus irrelevant here, as powers like that can counter maaany maaany powers, and, well, basically every non-conceptual power. ^^

- A Willpower embodiment is again another power tier, to which I'll say Metapathy and Psionic Embodiment. ^^ The power ramp never ends, which is why I kept it simple.

1. That's fine but it was used a little biasely is all I was saying but I understand.

2. Agreed!

3.judging from how absolute will works, whether they hit first or not telekinesis gets subjugated judging by how ot works. For example I don't see someone like Lucifer getting beaten by someone like Astral plane Onslaught, who was incredibly powerful. Like to the extent that someone with absolute will was mentioned to only be defeatable by GOD himself in DC's case, the peesence. Of it takes omnipotence to stop ansolute will itself why is ultimate telelinesis even a tilted way of winning?

4. Can't be directly combated isn't that true, some powers outright ignore it even in a battle. In terms of willpower however someone with absolute willpower subjugates everything. Although as for willpower embodiment it depends if an extrodinary amount of willpower is constantly active or needs buildup. The latter is one is screwed the former is combative. As I stated there's more to willpower than just resisting as I chose to study and look closely at both willpower embodiment and its applications and telekinesis very closely to properly compare them.

5. I only listed that because you, verbatim said, " The only really "counters" to telekinesis are straight up immunity to the power, or directly negating the power through some means (which strength enhancements and indomitable will/willpower do not)". Which opened up the door to not so limiting powers to just willpower alone. I just addressed this as expanding upon what beats telekinesis.

6. I definitely agree! The power ramp doesn't end because on one hand psionic energy keeps going and on another willpower. The way I see it is that they cap off at a certain point. "The will of god is mightier than the mind of god, for where is there potential for the mind without will?" Although you mever addressee absolute will vs ultimate level telekinesis becayse given the feats of the strongest telepath vs the strongest will. Will wins as the strongest will os stated to be only defeatable by God. While the strongest telepath can be defeatable by other than God. In other conditions I say you are absolutely right. I'm not going to exclude absolute will because that is an application of willpower embodiment and indomitable will.