Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-30682285-20161205082847/@comment-30137764-20161207020808

DarkWraths wrote: Tsubasa16 wrote: DarkWraths wrote:

Mike Snow34 wrote: Aside from pure Omnipotence. I'll go with absolute change because nothing really beats it unless you're Omnipotent. And by that I mean an Omnipotent aleeady exists in the verse otherwise a person of absolute change; changes to be Omnipotebt on a whim. Well... That's kind of hard to say considering a powerful enough user of Conceptual Lordship (absolute level) can defeat a Absolute Change user since Change is just a mere concept. CL can also makes oneself Omnipotent as well, when there is no Omnipotent being that exists in that universe/multiverse, as Omnipotence is just a mere concept (It's also basically like Absolute Concept Manipulation vs Absolute Change Manipulation, can go either way).

Some powers like Metapotence trumps Absolute Change... But then again, like Dybad said, it all lies within the Author (unless it's something like True Omnipotence that is). i don't know if CL could beat AC, by the simple fact Absolute Change also has Conceptual Lordship in the absolute level as well (by changing any concept without limits). Also, Absolute Change is essentially just a different way of being omnipotent, that's why it is a form/expression of Omnipotence, like Metapotence.

Actually, no, Metapotence does not really trumps AC, they do and are pretty much the same thing, just in a different way, while Metapotence is do anything without justification, Absolute Change would be change anything withouth justification. No power trumps it (expect OP), you can only be equal to it, and the only ones that are such are the other forms/expressions of Omnipotence, like Metapotence.

That's why I said it all lies within the Author, the Writer can make it that a CL user can defeat an Absolute Change user in a fight or vice versa, The Author has complete influences over their characters after all :P.

And yea, Metapotence does Trump AC, Isn't it supposed to be literally the same thing as OP, but under a different name? (Metapotence is more of a variation than a forms/expressions, as it's literally the same thing as OP, but has simplified meaning of it's the power, yet the power is still the same). If that's the case then Metapotence should trump it, that's like saying an AC user can trump an Omnipotent in their verse (and let's say AC isn't Omnipotent). ...then again, like i said before, it's all up to the Author to decide these powers for their verse.

That's the thing. Absolute Change is literally a function of omnipotence, in fact it's a form of it like metapotence. The only reason it sounds weaker is that you are knocking it down in your explanatikn while ignoring that it is a literally omnipotence. All things that occur are functions of change someone of absolute change can ignore literally any change no matter what. They can even alter immutable beings...you know the very beings that are not supposed to be changed under ANY circumstance. Metapotence is incredibly strong as well but even everything metapotence does os a function of change,nothing happens without change and that is why AC is a form of Omniootence. Potentiality lordship, conceotual lordship, absolute existence, absolute immunity bypassing any resustance to change.

If I could put it in simple terms. How do you reason that a form and expression of omnipotence is weaker than a varuation of Omnipotence? Thats why metapotence and AC are functionally equal. Both are essentially omnipotent and they cancel each other out. But since only one Omnipotent can exist in a verse at a time (for the sake of rationale and anti-contradiction) meaning Omnipotence reign over both of them. It's confusing but just think of it how Tsubasa explained it as he contributed to a lot of these Omnipitent powers'descriptions as well