Talk:Ultimate Intangibility/@comment-24053170-20180103230050/@comment-24053170-20180104003505

Crocodiles hook replaces his hand. And it has become intangible during the final battle with luffy. which discounts him as a user. Limbs that are removed from the users true body cannot be replaced by the Logia's reforming power, though replacements are still able to be used with the logia power, its the exact same deal with the users clothing.

Enel has never been both.

Find me a picture of enel demonstrating both tangibility and intangibility at the same time, because I have seen the fight with luffy and enel and he is one or the other, not both.

Ace? Yeah right. He always attacks with his devil fruit powers. Meaning that he has never demonstrated both.

Crocodile only mastered turning to sand if he is attacked unconsciously. Not turning into both at the same time.

And yes, actually it is difficult to master.

In fact Oda even stated that originally the first character to demonstrate both states equally was Caesar Clown (as shown in his very first appearance), There was no other user before him according to Oda's own words in the authors notes.

The intangibile materials don't normally have enough physicality to hold objects.

Have you ever seen Gas hold a glass in the air? or a lightning hold something without it being vaporized?

Something that is naturally intangible can't effect tangible materials if their is not enough volume to do so.