Talk:Spiritual Force Manipulation/@comment-36148059-20180720200139/@comment-29325824-20180720210103

Well, for one, Vivre cards do not "create, shape and manipulate" spiritual power in any way. They just contain a fraction of the soul of the person they represent.

Likewise, the only reason that vivre card works on the homies is merely because it is the vivre card of the person who made the homies. For them, disobeying the owner of that specific card is like disobeying big mom herself.

And finally, that specific card does not have true supernatural power over the homies, it just makes them to terrified to disobey in normal circumstances. But they can disobey if very strongly motivated enough.

And, if the vivre cards themselves don't count, why would a single random person who once held one count?