Talk:Badass Adaptation/@comment-33383995-20171017122458/@comment-30766268-20171024180836

aren't we corrently speaking about goku vs issei?

to bring zeno in a goku vs issei discussion is pointless.

Wait after we would decide if issei can defeat goku or not.

About the part with the universe crumbeling, I never understood why people declaired it means goku is universal buster.

he is fighting against a guy who is already universal+ in level.

it's makes perfect sense that if you are able to actually fight with him punch to punch, even if you are way weaker, at the end of the day, from this guy, maybe the fact the other guy is already universal level and can destroy all things in existance with his divine destructive ki is the reason the universe is crumbeling, and not the fact that goku punch really hard?

Also, they never said the universe itself would be destroyed. they said all matter in the universe would be destroyed, and the universe would be left as nothingness. they enver said anything about the universe collapsing into itsle for something, or that the space and time would be riped to shreds.

There is a diference between destroying everything IN the unvierse, and destroying the universe ITSELF.

I don't know, have you considered that possibility?

and above all, there is a diference between a 4th dimensional entity and being able to resist time manipulation.

Einstein called time the 4th dimension, because he exist parellol to the other 3 dimensions.

But when you say a 4th dimensional entity, you don't mean to that.

The all extra dimensional entity started in ficiton based on quantum mechanics and strings theory.

According to strings theory, the universe is made of 11 layers of diferent dimensions.

We live in the 3rd. The 4th dimension works on a compoletely diferent laws of physics then us, and are infinitly greater in mass and size then us.

But this 4th dimension is not the 4th dimension einstein was talking about, the time dimension.

What's einstein meant was the    space-time continuum.

When people say 4th dimensional entity, they mean someone who's have 4 spacual dimensions, not three and the time one which he overpowered or anything.

If goku would have been 4th dimensional, he would have been nigh omnipotent, and could have warped reality on an infinite scale.

I mean, look at Mister Mxyzptlk.

He is 5th dimensional.

while 5th dimensional entitys would be infinitly stronger then 4th dimensional entitys in a 4th dimension, to us, the 3rd dimensional beings, they would looks the same in term of power.

And this is whta  Mister Mxyzptlk  once did:

http://i.imgur.com/C2gUppf.jpg

if goku would have been 4th dimensional, he would have been nigh omnipotent.

and he is not.