Talk:Universal Utopia Creation/@comment-26241075-20140405091848/@comment-4867780-20140405221353

The only reason conflict is so valued is because it gets stories sold. People don't want to read stories about harmony and happiness, because they find it boring. Yet they want harmony and happiness in their own life. They want it for themselves, but think it would be bad if everyone had it. That's plain hypocrisy and selfishness.

@ Blackwings : "Idealization" in the sense you're idealizing it, as in you're trying to see in it more merits than it has (though I'm sure you read it right the first time).

As I said "There is is the desire to learn and grow, the desire to build and advance, there is work, cooperation, dedication and progress". All highly positive, and no inherent conflict in any of that. The only reason conflict exists in the first place is because of incompatible interests (one's gain is another's loss - starting with food-chains), not because its serves any kind of worthy purpose. Making conflict as the necessary condition of progress is "nothing more than escapism".