Talk:Perspective Manipulation/@comment-3353264-20140507062642/@comment-26241075-20140508045252

I posting is a fact, you're right about that. "And facts aren't created, they just are", no debate needed here because they don't need anyone to believe in them to exist. Remember that facts are "crystal clear" data/information. And isn't that make them neither true nor false? (Information without someone doing anything with it has no meaning in itself). Do you ask a fact whether it's true or false in itself? Are facts believe themselves to be facts?

Objective facts exist, no doubt, but what makes them true or false? What give them the value to be considered truth?