Talk:Ultipotence/@comment-4370030-20160621060905/@comment-4370030-20160621072117

Another example of your incessant babbling. It would do you good to post how you came to the conclusion that Living Tribunal cannot destroy the Phoenix, and where you got that information. Because there are several flaws in your argument:

1. " She is the spark that created the universe, while the Tribunal was created alongside it." No, just...no. Here is a scan of Tribunal holding two megaverses in his hands (or multiverses, Marvel can be iffy about this at times):  http://farm1.static.flickr.com/55/120965052_0cf1dd12f0_o.jpg

I want to see the Phoenix doing something like that, and then you can maybe claim that Tribunal can't destroy the Phoenix. Here: http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Living_Tribunal_(Multiverse)#History

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_Tribunal#Fictional_character_biography

http://marvel.com/universe/Living_Tribunal

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/living-tribunal/4005-6811/#toc-0-0

All four of those sites refer to Tribunal's role as the overseer of the Marvel Multiverse. I also, as you saw, posted an example of Tribunal's power, holding multiverses in his hand, to back up those sources. Given that Phoenix has never shown that power, with dozens of writers' interpretations of it, we can conclude that she is simply not on Tribunal's level. To claim otherwise would be an argument from ignorance. It's bad to base your entire argument off of a logical fallacy.

2. " One is the Judge who decides what happens, the other is power creates or destroys..." We agree on this.

"both are equal in nature." -Citation needed

3. " In fact the Tribunal knows that he cannot destroy the phoenix, while he may be able to try and have her make better choices, he cannot change anything she does. As he knows that it is her purpose to do so." -Again, citation needed.

4. " If he tried to change what the Phoenix does that would likely attract the attention of TOAA who would tell him to stop what he is doing." -*sigh* Citation needed.

5. " She would require infinite power to do most of what she does as is her nature." -Citation needed.

6. " While the LT could easily stop or destroy the other Abstract entities if he choose, the Phoenix is off-limits entirely, as that would put him out of a job...." -Here: You provided no evidence for any of these claims. I have no reason to take you or your argument seriously.