Talk:Cycle Transcendence/@comment-24053170-20161218070524/@comment-24053170-20161220002742

Amatsu-Mikaboshi/Oblivion is actually older then the phoenix force, as he was the marvel multiverse at the very beginning of creation and not just the previous universe, but all the representations of the marvel verse stretching back to the time when the AAO actually first created existence/multiverse/omniverse.

Thus he is the oldest abstract of them all, with only the AAO being older.

Both Mikaboshi and Oblivion claim this, and there is actual proof of it as well, as it shows the original state of the marvel verse before all other abstracts, which is basically a black, formless empty nothingness.

The phoenix force came into existence after Mikaboshi/Oblivion.

If I were to make a comparison using characters from a different series, Oblivion is like Amara/The Darkness from supernatural, while the Phoenix Force is Chuck/God. One came first then the other came later.

to put it another way, Oblivion represents the state of existence before existence, while the phoenix force represents state of existence after Creation

Hopefully this clarifies things.