Talk:Pataphysics Manipulation/@comment-25585402-20141028091733

I think this is a good place to start mining new realities; While agreed, the wiki on the origin is silly, and the idiot contraptions are even worse than Non-technological technology from Doctor Who (which for something absurd has a great explanation); the kernel is gold! First of all, the question people will want to resolve is whether this is equal, inferior, variant, or superior to Omnipotence.

I would conclude that this is one of the examples of powers that influences the definitions of omnipotence, therefore, while Omnipotence variants including omnipotence can "rise" to this power, by default, omnipotence is inferior, because omnipotence is a product of metaphysics. See, omni-potence, has two concepts: All/Everything/Infinity + Power/Strength/Might/Capacity-to-Act.

But those are concepts subject to dominions under the rule of Metaphysics, which is above physics. Physics itself goes back to Phusis (Nature) and the Greek Protogenoi like Thetis and Thesis (one of the beings similar to Chaos and Hydros, the parents and grandparents of the Titans, who are the parents and grandparents of the Greek Gods); so basically, When we start saying something beyond metaphysics - beyond the effable, beyond Neplus Ultra, we are opening a Pandora's Box of Awesome.

It isn't hard to imagine all the Cosmics in comics we read about, like Thanos, Order, Superman 1000,000, Oracle, Braniac 13, Imperiex, Strange Visitor/Kismet, Galactus, Eternity, Living Tribunal, and so on... these are characters that embody and/or obey the Metaphysical Rules in the same way the mortals and regular super heroes, lesser wizards, etc. Embody/Obey the Physical Rules of their Universe. Like Magneto or Molecule Man, and most Fireball wielding wizards - these guys are still within the bounds of rules. When characters in their power scale start to push the envelope, like Doctor Strange or White Lantern having an existential Crisis, then those ordinarily "mortal" characters begin an Apotheosis process that puts them in the Metaphysical Box.

But a Pataphysical box may be useful for dealing with characters who are literally defined as omnipotent - as the Argument issued in issue #1 of Infinity Watch between Warlock and the Living Tribunal. This allows us to say "there is a fixed point at which a character is "omnipotent" by "metaphysical standards" but can still have "limited" capabilities we scarcely or wholly do not understand on an even more abstract level. For all we know, Living Tribunal, for example, is just another Spider Man or Green Arrow on his own respective playing field.