Talk:Almighty Magic/@comment-27464043-20160527191315/@comment-27464043-20160527210950

that verse in revelation has nothing to do with this, so I don't know why you are using it. Prayer is calling on God, there is no fundament all difference between that and a a shaman invoking his nature spirit other than one is the true god.

Elijah built his altar a certain way, dug special trenches around it, filled them in a few times then called on God to rain the fire, that sure sounds like a magic ritual to me. Prophets and apostles channeled the power of God all the time especially for healing. Here are a few examples of things that if you didn't know they were in the Bible you would assume they were magic, spells, rituals or enchantments.

Building a bronze serpent statue to cure those who see it of there torments.

any of the ten plagues

Marking ones door in blood to protect from death.

holding up a staff to turn the tides of battle.

Creating a golden box that is used as a message system from God.

Leaving Staffs in a holy box and returning to find one has sprouted branches.

Those are just instances from Exodus and not even all of them, throughout the old testament God's followers used magic and even in the new it continued.

Here is a quote from you: "Elijah is not channeling God through his self in in order to perform feats or elevate to a higher consciousness" you said this but it is totally untrue, Elijah did indeed ascend to a higher plane through his relationship with God in a fiery chariot. Another example of ascension is enoch, who through his love of God ascended.

You say The prophets did not use magic because God did the acts, poppy cock! When Dr Strange calls on the winds of Watoomb, Watoomb is the one who sends the winds but it is still magic. The same goes for God.