Talk:Ultipotence/@comment-4370030-20160621060905/@comment-4370030-20160621075924

Flawed logic is flawed.

" that pretty much implies that without the phoenix the multiverse would be in jeopardy."

Pretty big jump there. In the scan, it says, and I quote: "It also knows that, for the sake of the multiverse, it must today heed the Tribunal's wishes." From what I can tell there, it seems that the Phoenix is subservient to To Tribunal.

" that implies he cannot stop the phoenixs work anymore then he could stop his own."

That is a huge, and terrible, leap in logic. Just because the Tribunal couldn't, or I should say didn't, stop Phoenix from doing whatever it was doing to a single planet does not mean that he cannot stop the Phoenix period.

" Unlike the other abstracts in which he has in fact stopped and even threatened them with destruction a few times.. but the tribunal has never threatened the phoenix, only merely delayed it for brief few seconds before letting it go. That implies and understanding that nothing else in the series has with the tribunal."

You said it yourself: Phoenix and LT are rarely together. LT has met with other abstracts, such as Eternity, quite a few times. That would explain the whole "threatened them with destruction a few times" thing.

" There is also a picture(I am trying to find it at the moment) where the Phoenix Force holds Eternity itself in her hands."

Don't bother. It doesn't exist. Unless you're talking about this . That's Phoenix repairing a timeline of a single universe. Nothing more.

" This implies he wasn't created until the multiverse was. And the Phoenix force was the spark of creation that created it. Thus she is in fact older then the Tribunal."

Show me where it's said that the Phoenix was the spark of creation for the entire multiverse. Because I sure can't find it. And her feats sure as hell don't back up that claim. This is the part where you show evidence, valid evidence. Which, again, you have yet to do.

Also, you have yet to provide citations for any of your quotes in my response. You also haven't responded to my response regarding the White Hot Room's place in existence.

I've debunked your arguments time and time again, and we've barely discussed the whole "infinite power" aspect of Phoenix, another thing you haven't provided proof for. So I'll ask: why should the Phoenix be added to the list of users here? When you can't even justify your reasons for putting her there?