User talk:Antvasima

Archangels/Castiel
Well, take a look at those pages. The Archangels were imbued with godlike power by God and are among the most powerful beings in the SPN universe, exceeded only by God and Death. They can achieve virtually anything via Reality Warping, which itself is a nigh-omnipotent power. Gabriel has proven that alot in his appearences, being able to trap others into a TV show, resurrect effortlessly,pretty much anything he wants. The same goes for the other Archangels. Lucifer was able to slay a dozen of powerful deities,despite him being in a decaying vessel. Michael, the eldest and most powerful, could slay his younger brothers, and could pretty much do anything except defeat God and Death.

Castiel too, was nigh omnipotent but only when he had the souls of Purgatory enhancing his powers to a godlike level. He became one of the most powerful beings in the SPN universe, exceeding the Archangels (well, atleast over Raphael and Gabriel, he himself implied that Michael and Lucifer were still more powerful.) Like the Archangels, he was still exceeded by God and Death. Even then, he could pretty much run the universe, as Bobby said to Crowley.

TVtropes probably said "planetary level" because Earth is the only planet they show on the show itself, not the limit of their powers. Gabriel456 (talk) 20:06, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for the answer. Antvasima (talk) 20:08, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. Gabriel456 (talk) 20:13, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

Thread
Sorry, I don't really know anything about that user so I don't think I'd be able to help with that Gabriel456 (talk) 20:24, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

Well, I'd only need your input on the thread. Less omnipotent characters have been listed, so I think that Kami Tenchi should as well. The only iffy point is if omniscence is required. It is not certain that he possesses that, despite his more than infinite power. Antvasima (talk) 20:33, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

It does require Omniscience. So if he has infinite power but not infinite knowledge, he'd fit more in Ultipotence. Gabriel456 (talk) 20:41, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for all the help. Antvasima (talk) 06:47, February 13, 2014 (UTC)

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you're fucking stupid, off yourself cunt Dr solar (talk) 20:57, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

You are apparently a retarded troll, a who can't even spell, much less think. Oh and you have no arguments whatsoever to counter with. I have reported you to an admin. Antvasima (talk) 21:06, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

god you have to be the dumbest fucking person on this website,  tell me then you slack jawed retard if kami tenchi is leagues above the chousin in everyway does that not include omniscience???????? do you know what omniscience is????

The Choushin aren't omniscient as far as I know, just more intelligent than every other being in the multiverse. They had to create the multiverse as an experiment to ascertain various facts, including if there was a being higher than themselves, and did not know the exact actual effects. But I'm fine with adding Kami Tenchi to omnipotence as well, if you prefer that. He is the supreme deity of his 22-dimensional/more than omniversal reality, possesses absolute infinite power above most other entries in omnipotence and ultipotence, nearly destroyed all of reality simply from manifesting, was stated to be as omnipotent compared to the Choushin as they are to ordinary people, who in turn have been ststed to be beyond all dimensional scale, and so onwards. If you start being reasonable and lay off with the trolling, bad spelling, assumptions, and death threats, it is far easier to get anywhere. Antvasima (talk) 21:25, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

he's stated as being omniscient since Tenchi's mind is being overwhelmed by it as he's transforming as Washu notes till Kami Tenchi's projection calms him down. and youre just making up bullshit, like this "He is the supreme deity of his 12-dimensional/more than omniversal reality" where does it state that hes omniversal? find me proof dude, you have absolutely no evidence to this claim. none. kami has NO feats to show that he stronger than them. it isnt stated ANYWHERE in the series that hes omnipotent. oh and you insulted me first. dont do it again or you will get shitted on. like i said, provide feats that hes above them all. provide evidence from the canon source material.Dr solar (talk) 21:37, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

Omniversal only requires  5-6 dimensions. The Choushin are above all dimensional scale, and created all of their entire 22-dimensional reality. Kami Tenchi was stated and shown outright to be the fulfillment of their experiment to fin a being far higher than themselves, and he almost destroyed all of the 22 spatial and temporal dimensions when manifesting, and effortlessly stopped and reverted the Counter-Actor, a being composed of the sum total counterforce to the Choushin's 22-dimensional experiments. In comparison, Mxyzptlk was badly outmatched against the Ultimator, a 10-dimensional entity. Also, ALL higher-dimensional entities possess at least infinite power and the ability to manipulate the lower dimensions easier than we would a two dimensional drawing or piece of paper. Antvasima (talk) 21:45, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

Anyway, I'm fine with adding him to the Omnipotence section instead if you prefer. After all, what is The Lord Of Nightmares' feat? Creating its' multiverse and being the supreme being there. What is Eru's and the Creator's feat? Ditto. What is the Choushin's feat? There you go. Who is the only being higher up than they are? Kami Tenchi. Antvasima (talk) 21:51, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

WHAT????? "omniversal only requires 5-6 dimensions"  sigh.... there you go again shouting made up bullshit. prove it dude, where does it say that?? you just made that up. and when he reverted the counter reactor, that was just matter/energy transmutation. something lesser tier characters do with ease as well. you see the thing about the all the omnipotent characters youve stated is that they have actually been referred to as omnipotent and havent been proven not to be like the chousin and kami.. and kami tenchi lacks full blown omniscience to be on there he is nigh omnipotent dude.Dr solar (talk) 21:57, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

Well, there are the 3 dimensions that we live in, then there is time, then alternate timelines. That makes 5 dimensions, which are also the ones that Mxyzptlk and the imps encompass according to Crisis Times 5, and infinity in projective geometry. Then there is cubed time according to Grant Morrisson, which presumably either means completely separate realities (omniversal), or entire planar spectrums of timelines intersecting with each other. The Counteractor was a 22-dimensional entity, reverting it means messing with and rewriting 22-dimensional reality structures, which is much harder than simply turning 3 dimensional reality topsy turvy. Ultipotence is fine as I said. Just make up your mind if you want him in omnipotence as supreme deity of his reality, or in ultipotence, as a being simiöar to, but much higher up than Mxyzptlk? Nigh omnipotence is far beneath a being of his stature. Antvasima (talk) 22:07, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

I'm going to bed now, so I will answer more replies tomorrow. I apologise about the insult. I wss frustrated and in a bad mood. As long as we can talk about this and be reasonable I have no problem with you. Antvasima (talk) 22:17, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

Crisis Times 5 is not canon. "Then there is cubed time according to Grant Morrissn, which presumably eitger means completely separate realities" sigh..... no, it means exactly what it means, sperate realities, not omniversal. sorry. lol and im just going to keep taking him off. "Counteractor was a 12-dimensional entity, revertimg it means messing with and rewriting 12-dimensional reality structures" no he just used mattr/energy transmutation. stop bsing dude, nowhere did it state that he was "messing with 12 dimensional reality structures" he simply used transmutation. Dr solar (talk) 22:19, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

Crisis Times 5 happened in the regular JLA book. It is canon, and makes perfect sense, as the imps have 5 dimensions. Omniversal means separate multiverses/realities as far as I have had it explained, but you may be right. And transforming a 12-dimensional entity means using 12-dimensional power, which he also used when almost destroying all of reality simply by existing. Beyond that the Choushin stated that he was beyond them. Antvasima (talk) 22:26, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

As a side-note, here is the Merriam-Webster dictionary definition of Omniverse:

"Main Entry: om·ni·verse Pronunciation: \ˈämnə̇ˌvərs, -və̄s, -vəis\ Function: noun Inflected Form(s): -s Etymology: omn- + -verse (as in universe)


 * a universe that is spatiotemporally four-dimensional"

Four-dimensional time plus three-dimensional space makes seven dimensions. Kami Tenchi has several dimensions more than the twelve-dimensional Choushin. Hence, he is far far far more than infinitely far above Omniversal. Antvasima (talk) 09:19, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

Ultipotence
Would you two keep your argument in Talk-pages until it's finally finished and then do the Edit? It's getting annoying to the point I'm starting to consider locking Ultipotence until you can agree about it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 07:46, February 16, 2014 (UTC)

Couldn't you or other admins check the discussion above, and then decide and lock the page? I'm trying to be reasonable, but so far, Solar won't listen. Antvasima (talk) 08:00, February 16, 2014 (UTC)

Got a definite proof for that, from canon instead of fanon (ie. link to the page where that point is made, quotes and definite, direct Word of God or something of that level). From what I've heard he's avatar of that power at best. --Kuopiofi (talk) 11:41, February 16, 2014 (UTC)

Well, Tenchi himself seems to be the avatar of a dimensionally boundless entity, but Kami Tenchi is that entity itself. It is a major plot point of, and stated outright in, Tenchi Muyo Ryo-Ohki OAV3 anime that the three hyper-dimensional entities that created the multiverse, and all the 22 dimensions in existence, did so in order to make experiments and higher-dimensional anomalies, to find a being higher than themselves/outside of the dimensions that they can perceive, and the result of that search for trillions of years was the entity that started to manifest in episode 19, and almost destroyed all of existence by doing so. It also started talking with Tenchi and effortlessly neutralised a being apparently on par with the 3 multiverse creators.

Lower 5-dimensional beings such as Mxyzptlk and the possibly just 4-dimensional Azathoth were listed, and the Wheel Of Time God, The Lord Of Nightmares and Eru Illuvatar who I think only created universes or multiverses, not 22-dimensional reality were listed, so I thought that why should those supreme beings be included and not Kami Tenchi, who is higher than beings who did the same thing or more.

However,  if you require more than that/don't have time to watch the entire OAV3, as far as I understand, the writer is something of a recluse who doesn't do interviews. He does however write quite a lot of novels and doujinshi for the series, but those are in Japanese. I could ask on a Tenchi Muyo forum for help with if the official extra material says more? Antvasima (talk) 12:04, February 16, 2014 (UTC)

Little reminder about those outside TM beings: unless their creators agree, listing them means a zip. It's just someones personal opinion (even if it was TM verse creators) and doesn't have any weight outside the 'verse. Same goes to argument about Kami Tenchi, he might be Be-All on his verse, outside it only so much as other verses acknowledge him.

That aside, you're not trying to convince me here. I don't care about this, aside it being disruptive on the site. You're trying to convince your opposite number, and he seems to be unimpressed. --Kuopiofi (talk) 12:48, February 16, 2014 (UTC)

Well, he threatened to kill me, so I was hoping that you or some other admin could take over the issue? Antvasima (talk) 14:11, February 16, 2014 (UTC)

Btw. Here is a clip for when Tenchi awakens, even in his regular untrained avatar form. The dimensional wardens are the supreme beings of their respective dimensions, and level 6+ are way above Mxyzptlk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibrkGbKriP8 Antvasima (talk) 16:14, February 16, 2014 (UTC)

Omni/Ulti/whateverpotence
You two mind using your Talk-pages to clear this thing up, your edit/delete cycle isn't interesting to anyone else here. And don't bother to contact me about how you are right, it's between you two to argue it out. --Kuopiofi (talk) 09:47, March 3, 2014 (UTC)

Gohan Buu and Omega Shenron
For Antvasima

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHuJV3ZceoY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEIVRmDNWaI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vn8zj0JimA

Gohan Buu, in the anime, was collapsing the entire universe through chain reaction, although it had to lose control of himself.

As told by Old Kai, Omega Shenron would corrode and destroy the entire universe in a short period through the minus power, and during the battle with Gogeta showed he could concentrate all energy to a single attack, a universal buster attack.

Thanks. I checked through all of them.

Apparently the anime is different from the manga, but the thing is that all we see Gohan Buu actually doing is open up several holes in local space. Goku claiming that this would be enough to make alternate universes destroy his own is very suspect and unproven.

The second case is more reliable, given that the Dai Kaioshin makes the claim, but given that it would have been a gradual process, starting with Earth and then enveloping other planets and stars, one at a time, I'm not sure if it counts as an actual universe-buster. Maybe we could insert only Omega Shenron, and put (Allegedly and gradually) in a parenthesis? Antvasima (talk) 06:36, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

For Antvasima

The fact that this scene is present only in the anime does not change, it is always success. Super Buu managed to open a dimensional gate through a scream, after absorbing  both Trunks, Goten, Piccolo and Gohan his powers are increased considerably. I don't think it's a hyperbole, especially when Kid Buu, the weaker version, five million years, has also destroyed a entire galaxy. And to defeated Son Goku and Vegeta merged, for create Vegetto with the powers of both, not added but multiplied each other.

2*10^32 J the energy for destroy the earth

(2*10^32)*(2*10^32)=4*10^64 J

4×10^69 J the energy for destroy the observable universe

Apparently as you can see in the video, in the case that Omega Shenron would win, the minus power would destroy the galaxy in a short time, like the rest of the universe. Moreover both the kaioshin said that the minus power would arrive even their world.

And in another video, Omega has proven to concentrate all the minus energy power in an attack, an attack possibly universal level.

The point  is that this is all just speculation. All that we have seen is Buu opening up a few warps to other universes in a small area. Plenty of fictional characters can do that without causing any particular harm.

Gradually destroying a galaxy star by star is so small compared to the near infinity of the entire universe that it is incomprehensible. Doubling or tripling his power should make no difference.

Similarly, all that we have to go on for Omega Shenron is that a reliable source says that his negative energy might EVENTUALLY spread throughout the universe. So it isn't remotely a one-go instant busted universe, and we certainly haven't seen it proven that his attack would instantly destroy the universe. In fact, his attacks were deflected, small in scale, and caused no harm to anything after Gogeta dealt with them.

So, again, it isn't like I'm completely unreasonable. I'm fine with mentioning Omega Shenron as capable of gradually destroying a universe, but Gohan Buu makes little sense to add as verified. Antvasima (talk) 11:48, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

For Antvasima

Maybe, but in general this is the problem, Dragon Ball is very inconsistent and after the Namek saga, we never really saw other feats of a higher level, but the A>B>C and the powerscale logic is necessary to determine more accurately the powers of this characters. If you see from this point of view, Buuhan can technically destroy the universe through chain reaction, Super Buu before could open other dimensional holes, and Kid Buu in the anime had destroyed a galaxy, this seems possible that what Vegetto said is the truth, furthermore this is a work of fiction, use the logic of reality is difficult and not recommended.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peQZoTuLJQE

Similar situation like Omega Shenron, Goku GT in the Baby saga has destroyed an entire dimension using a simple kamehameha, Sugoro said that the power was exercised when was just concentrating the energy was enough to illuminate an entire galaxy.

4×10^58 J visible mass-energy in the Milky Way

In addition to as kaioshin faced the situation, it seemed that the threat was imminent and that there was no known place from which to escape, not even Other World would be saved against Omega Shenron, let alone the physical universe.

But i think it is obvious that we have two different thoughts, in this case i would try to agree and find a solution that we like it to both.

Well, the power levels could just be linear for all that we know. Meaning that Goku at 450000000 should "only" be able to destroy 25000 Earths, and Broly who was even stronger (1.5 billion if I remember correctly) was destroyed by just being pushed into a star. Also take into account that all of that energy would be dispersed over a practically infinite volume. Meaning: Sun-busting attacks would have almost zero effect dispersed across that kind of area, which is why they destroy stars one by one at vast speed.

As for a compromise, I think that I already did that by keeping the more certain one of the entries. Antvasima (talk) 14:50, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

For Antvasima

I don't think we should use the powerlevels are not linear, they are irrelevant and i would prefer to only use quantifiable feats or statements with logical bases.

As for Broly, which destroyed an entire galaxy without becoming the LSSJ, he was killed by Gohan and Goten's kamehameha, the Sun has just finished the work. Furthermore, as i have already said, it is not possible to use the logic of reality and put it at the same level as that of Dragon Ball, this also applies to all works of fiction where there are characters who destroy stars, galaxies and universes, although technically is impossible (for example the statement that the Giga Slave spell goes out of control, would destroy the universe, accepted by all even though we have never seen that the Giga Slave can destroy a planet).

So i want to ask you, why the feats of Dragon Ball should be considered hyperbole just because in reality are not possible, while in all other forms of fiction there are characters who can do and no one complains, even the feats that i mentioned before just very plausible evidence they are not hyperbole?

Well, the thing is that I agree with you that most fiction should be treated as equal, and Dragonball tends to be treated more badly than it deserves by fans of other properties, but it depends on how reliable something is. For example, I kept Omega Shenron because that was the Dai Kaioshin saying it, but he also said that the process would be gradual. Gohan Buu on the other hand only opened up rifts in local space and Goku is pretty dumb in general, so his stressed-out precautious opinion isn't all that important. Antvasima (talk) 17:52, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

For Antvasima

Yet, from how they behaved the Kaioshin, the danger seemed very imminent, unlike Kid Buu (This the fist time he was really worried, even with Bills or Kid Buu has never shown this behavior, and regarding Buuhan knew that Vegito was more powerfull), and also the episode showed what would happen if the minus power it would be triggered, like the Giga Slave example (destroy the Earth and within moments corrupted/destroyed the galaxy and the entire universe) and shortly afterwards they said that their world would not survive. And as you can see on this page, the World of the Kaioshin is outside the physical world of Dragon Ball, light years away and in another dimension.

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Rip_in_the_Universe

It is true that is never really seen that Buuhan was collapsing the universe, but apart from Mr. Satan, Dende, the Kaioshins and Vegito (not Goku) they stated that the entire universe would be destroyed.

All three characters have the KI sense and is used to determine how powerful an opponent or even in this case, the attacks. So it's logical that they weren't exaggerating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah9KSrwjzbI   9:18

http://media.tested.com/uploads/1/10346/13502-phprkuxjppm_super.jpg

Returning to the speech of the Kaioshin's behavior, I want to point out that after the fist appearance of Black Smoke Shenron said that if it wouldn't have been stopped would destroy the entire universe, and Popo tells thereupon a legend tied to Dragon and recounts that after being awakened has destroyed the planet where was evoked and shortly after did vanish the whole galaxy.

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/The_Shadow_Dragons

That's still too loose speculation to qualify Gohan Buu, and destroying a galaxy is extremely far from the same scale as destroying a universe. But I added Omega Shenron according to what was shown in the clips that you linked to. There is no real problem here. Antvasima (talk) 19:26, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

For Antvasima

True, but i don't think Akira Toriyama or those who made the anime interesting the logic in the real world or they were experts of astronomy, if Buuhan could collapse the universe in the anime, there is no reason to deny the possibility and if we consider what I've said before, is not inconsistent with the powerscale or there is no real reason or contradictions to deny the facts.

For Omega Shenron just wanted to point out that it can destroy the entire universe in short time, not gradually.

Opening up portals to other universes in local space is not going to convince me I'm afraid. I'm only interested in what's show in the clip, not any speculation about it. Likevise, the clip said that Omega Shenron would gradually destroy the universe/that his negative energy would start with enveloping the Earth and then start to spread from there. Antvasima (talk) 05:37, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

Universe Destruction
Talk it out between yourselves and only after you've done Edit again. --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:57, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

We did, and I compromised to a reasonable midway solution, but he doesn't want to anymore despite me asking him to handle it in the Talk. Antvasima (talk) 16:25, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

For Antvasima and Kuopiofi

I admit, i overdid it and maybe i didn't have to continue, but it is difficult that we can find a compromise, we have two different points of view.

In fact i was reminded of a proposal, to leave Buuhan in the Universe Destruction page always but also write that only in the anime filler he perform this feat (leaving the choice to the individual if it true or not).

Or we could decide by popular vote.

I did compromise by keeping Omega Shenron who is much more reliable, and popular vote would likely just lead to lots of Dragonball fans wanting to wank Buu. He really genuinely did not at all reliably show universe-destroying scale by opening up rifts in local space. That's just unwarranted speculation. Antvasima (talk) 16:43, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

For Antvasima

Yet but like Vegetto, Dende, Kibito Kai and Old Kai reacted and they said, is the opposite of what you say.

In the anime filler with japanese dub Dende has tagged compared what happened in the room of spirit and time, Vegetto well clearly says that "If i don't stop him, this universe will be crushed by alternative dimensions!" and the event was just beginning, we don't see each other since then following scenes are focused in an attempt by Vegetto to stop him.

Also in the episode following Kibito Kai declares "If he lets him alone, he could release that power that can even break down the walls between dimensions!"

This feats he did not go either conflict with the DBZ powerscale. If Freezer could destroy 10 times more dense planets of the Earth, if Cell could destroy the entire solar system with a kamehameha and if Kid Buu (always only in the anime) has destroyed a galaxy in 5 million of years, then there is no real reason not to believe that Super Buu, after absorbing Gohan + Trunks + Piccolo + Goten, couldn't be at least a multi galaxy buster.

And you can't use the excuse that "it cannot destroy the universe because it is too large or is a different scale of a planet" because I do not believe that this reasoning may assert in a fiction.

As I said this only happens in the anime, but this feats has on his side the logic and statements that tests that prove its veracity and especially there is nothing that can declare the upside down, no feats or declaration in the anime.

The only thing we can do is consider cannon or not this feat.

Vegetto panicking is not a reliable analysis, and I do not think that Gohan, Trunks, Piccolo, and Goten could make up the difference between slowly destroying a galaxy, and destroying 200 billion galaxies! That is a very valid viewpoint, and not something to be dismissed by "it's fiction". Destroying a whole universe is an enormous big deal and needs conclusive proof, not just an unreliable say-so. In addition, no it is not canon to Toriyama's original manga story, and neither is any galaxy-busting for that matter. Antvasima (talk) 18:57, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

Supernatural
If somebody's full fighting power is only capable of destroying large parts of a planet, then thousands of characters on this Wiki would qualify as nigh omnipotent. Barely planetary power is not anywhere near virtually unlimited. Many other characters on the list actually do qualify, so it creates a strange inconsistent list structure. Antvasima (talk) 21:44, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

(sigh) you'll have to ask the writers about that but the Archangels and soul-imbued Castiel do (did in castiel's case) have near-limitless power, which is the definition of Nigh Omnipotence. Not "how many planets they can destroy". Gabriel himself has proven that the Archangels can achieve virtually anything via Reality Warping, from the very fact they can create entire universes and fantasies proves that. Lucifer also slayed a group of powerful Deities, further displaying the powers of an Archangel. And virtually everyone agreed that Michael was even more powerful than Lucifer, and thus over Raphael and Gabriel. As for the reason why the other Archangels never demonstrated that, again, ask the writers. Probably a plot device so Sam and Dean could defeat Michael, Lucifer and Raphael without them being blown up with ease.

Look under Gabriel's power and abilities section, and with Reality Warping, it says "Gabriel can accomplish just about anything with this power, making him virtually omnipotent". The fact that it can be attributed to Lucifer, who taught him everything he knows, shows how powerful Lucifer and Michael are.

Again, Nigh Omnipotence is about having nigh-limitless powers, it depends on the writer and verse of the scale/radius. Castiel, with the souls of Purgatory, as I said, had ran the universe with his nigh omnipotent powers before he returned the souls.(as he was more powerful than anything except God, Death and possibly Michael and Lucifer) Gabriel456 (talk) 21:53, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

Well, if they can create and control universes I suppose that they qualify. It just seemed odd when the Wiki simultaneously claimed that their full unleashed power could only at best destroy a planet, and also that they have nearly unlimited power. Those two terms are logically mutually exclusive. Antvasima (talk) 11:39, April 17, 2014 (UTC)

Categories
Unless you have a really good reason, don't go removing them. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:19, April 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * Did that happen again? Sorry. It's some bug in my web browser. I immediately fix it whenever I discover the problem. Antvasima (talk) 05:11, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

Omnipotence Users
Take it to each others Talk pages instead of editing/undoing repeatedly and only after you've agreed try again. Seriously, how many times has this been repeated? --Kuopiofi (talk) 09:32, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

Is what I said above seriously so hard to understand? Keep it on Talk pages until you have finished --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:05, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

N O
How about returning those '"Only" universal in scale.' users, if you read the Limitations, fist one says: "By definition, user is in some ways limited. This may be inability to affect something, do something in particular or being limited to certain spatio-temporal/dimensional area", which includes Universal scale. --Kuopiofi (talk) 07:32, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Are you sure? I went by the VsBattles definition of being an at least multiversal level reality warper. Antvasima (talk) 07:38, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * I restored Jafar. The other two were only listed as speculated to have this level of power, and demonstrated planetary level. Antvasima (talk) 08:04, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

The dragon touhou, meta summoning
Actually your wrong about the The Dragon in meta summoning, the dragon can create anything and destroy anything, he is the most powerful being in the entire touhou series, in fact he created Gensokyo and everything in it. his creation power has no limits. this is literally word of god as Zun himself said that there is nothing he can't do.SageM (talk) 06:44, July 25, 2014 (UTC)SageM

It even says on both the touhou wiki and the official touhou work that the dragon appears in that all living things worship him due to capability of creating and destroying anything.

Well, as far as I understood from the Wiki, he has not actually demonstrated his abilities in-series, especially not to the scale of being able to create conceptual cosmic entities at will. Antvasima (talk) 07:18, July 25, 2014 (UTC)

Metapotence and DYAD
Hi, I just wanted to interject one thing into this conversation, you said that DYAD isn't an admin and its not his page, well actually if you check out the History of Metapotence you will see that it is DYADs page since he was the one that created the metapotence page in the first place. thats all I have to say, take care!SageM (talk) 04:54, July 26, 2014 (UTC)SageM
 * It doesn't matter if he was the one who originally crafted it. Once it is on the Wiki, it is in the public domain per definition, and all additions have to be be proper and logical. I have invited him to present his arguments and convince me, as that is the proper way to do things, but he has yet to respond. Antvasima (talk) 04:58, July 26, 2014 (UTC)

Meta summoning-Gateway
Actually if you read the stories about gateway, thats basically all she does summon. She can literally summon anything, gods, demons, cosmic entitys, anything at all, her title is even "The Summoner" and that she has the highest ranking in summoning ability out of every character in the series, As her name suggests she opens gateways to an infinite number of dimensions from which she can summon anything she wants, and they all will obey her commands. it might not say that much of her powers on the wiki, but thats only a brief description, all her powers are shown in the whateley academy stories.

thats all for nowSageM (talk) 05:00, July 26, 2014 (UTC)SageM

Okay. Then it is fine to add her. Her Wiki profile didn't say this. Antvasima (talk) 05:02, July 26, 2014 (UTC)

If that's the case, her wiki-page could use a bit of updating. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:22, July 26, 2014 (UTC)

Lol. it sure does...Its seems like whoever made her page only added the briefest of details and then decided it was enough. ^^;;;SageM (talk) 05:24, July 26, 2014 (UTC)SageM

Answer
Already send him a note about taking it to Talk, not much else I can do aside of locking the page.

That aside, as someone who made the page, he does have some more authority about what it says, since he's the one who knows what he meant it to be. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:19, July 26, 2014 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks. I just want an explanation to why he considers Featherine to be the most powerful omnipotent in all of fiction, despite not being the only one of her kind, and having some shown limitations. Antvasima (talk) 05:56, July 26, 2014 (UTC)

Manipulating the boundary Existence/Nonexistence allows the user to summon forth any existence. It may sound theoretical, but that's exactly how Boundary Manipulation works..

Despite all their theoretical power, most omnipotents rarely ever showed any actual feat worthy of their status. When it comes down to it, most of them are just useless shadows hidding behind their title (One Above All, I'm thinking about you). Featherine is no show-off (sign of weakness) and isn't afraid of appearing weak either (sign of weakness). Yet she is stated by Bernkastel (Nigh Omnipotent) to be infinitely above her, and most of all she rewrote on a whim the very script of the visual novel she appears in, exactly like a writer, just by wanting it.

That's the kind of feat that separate Metaoptents from Omnipotents. See this link for the more dogmatical aspects, I don't feel like going over it again. DYBAD (talk) 06:59, July 26, 2014 (UTC)

Okay that makes sense, but I thought that omnipotents usually had to be alone of their kind, and have no limitations. Featherine can get drunk, isn't omniscient/can get memory loss, and there are other unseen creators like her. Doesn't that contradict it? Antvasima (talk) 07:03, July 26, 2014 (UTC)

See the link. DYBAD (talk) 12:38, July 26, 2014 (UTC)

Okay. Never mind then. You are probably correct. I just want all pages to be accurate. Antvasima (talk) 12:53, July 26, 2014 (UTC)

Omnipotence
Keep this in Talk/Discussion/where-ever until you've finished and only after that make changes. --Kuopiofi (talk) 07:29, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

Please note what was said above. I don't care how much you've already argued, until it's done don't touch OP. --Kuopiofi (talk) 07:48, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

But BeyonderGod doesn't have any arguments, is not capable of understanding what I say, knows nothing about the property, keeps making ridiculous troll posts, and is only doing this to be completely unreasonable/piss me off. He got instantly banned over at the Marvel wiki for the same type of behaviour. I don't know how to deal with this sort of individual who doesn't listen to reason. Antvasima (talk) 07:59, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

I haven't really followed what he's been doing (I mostly ignore Comments etc.), he's really been that much of a troll? --Kuopiofi (talk) 11:24, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, god, yes. I feel like my brain is bleeding out of my ears from talking with him. He is strictly trying to push my buttons and piss me off, and he was ìnstantly banned by the admins on the Marvel wiki for disruptive idiotic behaviour. Just check out his user profile and contributions over there. Antvasima (talk) 13:07, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

(sigh) Same rule for the both of you, no chancing OP until you've finished. I'm seriously starting to consider locking the page until that happens. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:05, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Well, he seems to just be here to troll me, as what he is sayìng is highly illogical, unreasonable, and using lots of gloating troll slang, but we may have agreed to add Kami Tenchi to ultipotence instead as a compromise. I think that RyanBurns was the one who added him to omnipotence. Antvasima (talk) 05:09, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

I never troll ._. I was banned on marvel because a admin wouldnt accept his defeat and went into insulting me first and so I insulted back I don't care if I was banned a year for being both honest and factual he thinks titles matter? He said oh living tribunal is 2nd to god? So SW Beyonder showed he is above him Beyonder (talk) 10:22, August 8, 2014 (UTC)BeyonderGod

I agree that SW Beyonder was shown as way above the Living Tribunal, and in the recent Infinity Revelation story, it was stated outright that there are several higher-dimensional beings far above him. I apologise if you are in fact not a troll. It is just that you came across as deliberately trying to push my buttons and being unreasonable/not listening, while using typical troll slang. Antvasima (talk) 14:02, August 9, 2014 (UTC)

You Got Banned From VSBattle
VSBattle is a failed version of my creation they use our studied data and info but they are a bias debate wiki and they abuse there powers and insult people when they are wrong and dont or want show proof but on OBD we don't abuse our power we actually work as a community and debate like real battle lovers you think we are bad? OBD is still #1 literally so before you start to dis one own legit wiki remember the quality,experience, and the way the wiki is set up. Beyonder (talk) 10:33, August 8, 2014 (UTC)BeyonderGod

Well, I personally like VsBattles and most of the admins and contributors there, especially RyanBurns.Antvasima (talk) 14:00, August 9, 2014 (UTC)

RyanBurns is already invited to my wiki as he has potential and SeiryuShin is a little fan boy+wanker+troll he is truly not a debater and the VSBattle wiki itself is biased. Beyonder (talk) 17:43, August 9, 2014 (UTC)BeyonderGod

Omniscience
Please check out the Youtube video that I first linked to here: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gM6p5DSfoaU They actually were stated to be omniscient. How is that different from Beyonder stating that he is omniscient? It seems like a double standard. It would be nice if you try to be reasonable. Antvasima (talk) 19:22, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

Seriously do you know the meaning??? Omniscience means all knowing no one in that show is there nigh look at the wikia look at debate battles they aren't Omniscient there Nigh-Omniscient why? Because if they was then they would have known of Tenchi and his Kami form so stop with the arguments and leave them in nigh Beyonder (talk) 19:39, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

They were stated outright to be omniscient, just like Beyonder, with far less contraďictions to that statement. Also, the Living Tribunal is listed at omniscience, despite stating in "Thanos: The Infinity Revelation" that he does not know what goes on with more higher-dimensional beings than himself. I.e. the exact same case as the Choushin. Both know everything that goes on in lower-dimensional space. That should be enough to qualify. Especially as even beings such as Mimir are listed there. Antvasima (talk) 19:44, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

Beyonder shown omniscience the Choushin hasn't shown any knowledge outside there own dimensions so like you said there not true Omniscient beings Beyonder (talk) 19:51, August 12, 2014 (UTC)BeyonderGod

No, Beyonder has STATED himself to be omniscient. He does however not know the results of human experience, events, and so onwards, so there is contradiction there. I think that knowing everything that goes on in 22-dimensional space and the hyperdimension is enough to qualify, much like the LT qualifies, or the Beyonder may qualify. Antvasima (talk) 20:01, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

LT and Beyonder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Choushin+Kami Tenchi Dude they are feat less you do know Beyonder is a literal sum of a entire Multiverse? Beyonder (talk) 20:35, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, that's just your own biases and favoritism, not logic talking. The Choushin are stated to be far beyond 22-dimensional space, whereas LT at its most powerful was only stated to have 16, was currently killeď by a megaversal collapse, and a multiverse only has 5-6 dimensions. It is an absolutely irrelevant scale to higher-ďimensional entities. This is true, logical, and science-based. I wish that you would cease being biased and admit that. Antvasima (talk) 04:46, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

You aren't serious because you are a fool 22 dimensions doesn't mean anything and beyonder can't know what humans Feel he chose not to please read the secret wars events and hyperdimesion? They are weak Nigh-Omnipotent beings your statements aren't Factual or canon in any way because Beyonder knew they wouldn't attack him on a bluff so using his omniscience he knew they was gonna attack him when he was serious and when Beyonder gave Doom his powers he "Knew" he couldnt handle it. Beyonder (talk) 20:02, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

22 dimensions mean EVERYTHING to define a scale of infinity. That you cannot understand the concept does not make it any less scientifically irrelevant. And their omniscience is stated outright in the early parts of the Youtube clip above, if you would bother watching it. Why does that not count in your mind whereas Beyonder stating himself to be omniscient does? It doesn't make any logical sense. And I am not a fool. I tested high intelligence when young. Antvasima (talk) 04:46, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

1) He actually.

2) As much as I dislike getting involved to these, I'd like to point this: OS is about knowing all/everything.

Of the Users you're arguing, one knows everything under 22 dimensions (and yes ova counts as well as any other official publishing), other had to be told how to use potty. So either you accept that both have holes in their knowledge and neither has OS or they both have it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:09, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

I ain't accepting anything because It point blank stated before those OVA to be Nigh-Omniscient beings and why can't I add. Beyonder then?! If they state it then its biased of this wikia and no Antvasima you are a moronic fanoy boy who wanks off a verse higher beings can own and like he said The Chonsuin doesn't know what's beyond there own creation! Beyonder (talk) 05:18, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

No, they are point blank stated to be omniscient beings in the OVA, but only up to the hyperdimension. And the Beyonder also did not know what is outside of his own creation. That's the entire point of the first Secret Wars. However, if Kuopiofi thinks that both should go, I will do a cleanup for all the beings who do not qualify by the same standards. And about being a fanboy, you are the one naming yourself after the character you are trying to market and who, as other users have mentioned ignore or do not understand all logic without being able to provide solid counters. Antvasima (talk) 05:26, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

So the hell what if I named myself after a guy who literally rapes your favorite character also Dr Solar proved your whole statements wrong you are a moron you got banned from a wikia because you and your bf couldn't be nice to others geez please shut up! Beyonder (talk) 08:07, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Solar was disproven above, and threatened to kill me. That is not a convincing argument.

As you did not mention, a much more sensible wiki admin that I like, banned you from the Marvel wiki.

Also naming yourself after a character and making unfounded extremely biased statements is only going to make you look foolish.

In addition, like many trolls you have a very unhealthy focus on rape, especially if it is literal. Perhaps you get off on that sort of thing? I certainly don't. Antvasima (talk) 08:12, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

My Point
There's something that I think might define if B really had/has OS, and it completely ignores that thing about whether him wanting to learn the human condition (or whatever it was called) was about him wanting to learn it the hard way or simply didn't know it at all: was he aware about the rest of the multi/omniverse until the point he decided to make himself known with the secret war?

If he knew, then he obviously was, if he didn't, that would say that his OS has limits. That's how I personally see the thing. --Kuopiofi (talk) 09:33, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, that's pretty much how I see it too. Much like with Kami Tenchi, he might have and he might not. Antvasima (talk) 09:36, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

BeyonderGod
Don't worry, he is merely trolling you. I've just found out I actually know that user pretty well and he's been on this wiki under another name.

Multi/Omni
Considering how many places the page has been linked, it would be easier to add Multiverse into Also Called (there's a reason why it's there). Maybe expand a bit to contain the current knowledge. --Kuopiofi (talk) 07:51, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

yeah, I probably will. He'll likely to do the same thing the moment his ban runs out anyways Gabriel456 (talk) 13:07, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I really appreciate it. Antvasima (talk) 14:17, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

you're welcome :) Gabriel456 (talk) 14:30, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

No worrys about the BeyonderTroll, you have the backing of this entire wiki when he starts again. Its good to know Gabriel is going to keep a close watch too.

Death horseman94 (talk) 16:42, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

List of BeyonderGod's trolling
He first got banned on the Marvel wiki for severely insulting an admin, but that post was deleted, so I admit that I was biased against him from that background.

Then I personally encountered him in the following thread, wherein he started to display his trademark provocative gloating extreme unreasonability, and gloating over supposedly creating a wiki that is now hosted elsewhere, with no proof to back his claims.

(Given that the real OBD wiki and forum are hosted elsewhere, along with his constant spelling errors and severe differences in opinion with it, it seems far more likely that he is just somebody trying to cash in on its former popularity.)

http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:144084

Here are some of his sentences:

"OBD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>VSBattles They tried to copy my original wiki but failed

[...] if you believe a biased wiki over a guy who started the original debating wiki then you are slow."

"We been been out longer *face palm* they admitted to using my old original wiki information Jesus you are dumb without my absence from the original the VSBattles wouldn't have existed."

"You don't know your stuff [...] and good for you at marvel answers I am so jealous (sarcasm)"

"I don't need be jealous of a guy who doesn't know what obd is you don't have a successful life or career [...] you seem to be dumb in the head [...]"

"OBD has more factual evidence then your down syndrome battle wiki so know your fact kiddo."

"[...] moron!"

"*yawn* [...] Lmao [...] haha fail"

Then there was the following thread:

http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:103032

"Dude you are the troll [...] go somewhere wank fan boy."

" Lol think I care about the marvel wiki? The admin there is a power abused butthurt person because I proved him wrong and you mad because I proved you wrong like I did him xD and you are a wanker [...] #AntvasimaWankFanboy"

"[...] you express yourself as a fan boy [...]"

"You know what I meant troll."

"Yeah you troll to ,such dude you make our brains lose brain cells go back and read what omnipotent is."

"Its how I describe you trolling"

"Nothing you said is valid! Jesus christ are you 11 or something? Because you are simple retarded you aren't on anyone level here I am being honest dude you are ignorant to the Max [...]

Dude seriously everything you mentioned is useless now stop before I have to get serious and embarrass you over a Known fact though out the internet."

"[...] you are the clear troll here."

Then Dr.Solar came back and started insulting me in troll speak right where he left off with the death threat last time around, but this is about "BeyonderGod", so I might file a separate complaint against him later. Anyway, BG started arguing with other users:

"Yeah yeah yeah kid [...]"

"[...] Fuck logic! [...] Creation seems you need to think before you type dude."

Then he went back to me again:

"[...] you are a troll [...] You seriously aren't bright and please speak English and not your slow people talk"

And back to the others:

"[...] stop and read before you make a fool of yourself again."

Back to me:

"Anyone can look at your talk page and agree with me you aren't smart."

"Dude you are a fuckin retard Dr Solar and me proved you wrong and don't fuckin reply to anything I say ok?? [...] stfu or don't debate with someone you can't match."

"Dude I told him he is low [...]"

"Omg 22 dimensions is Omniversal because its all of existence omg he is infinity above the nigh omnis known as Chousin." ^ Antvasima this is you seriously. [...] your logic toward other fictional verses vs nonfiction statements are retarded. [...] Your statements Antvasima aren't impressive your lack of knowledge is all we see here. [...] If all you gonna do is state the same thing then its pitiful honestly [...] You can keep arguing with people and watch when people do the same thing i am doing to you I know Marvel,DC and various anime verses unlike you."

"Yup ignorant dude I ain't responding to you comment on my post they are and will be deleted."

Back to others:

" [...] You honestly think i care about what i do here you guys don't listen at all so why should i care on your opinion toward my actions? please cool go look in a mirror bro."

Then an inserted troll image:

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140816230830/powerlisting/images/9/99/U_Mad_Bro.jpg

"[...] You are simply ignorant as your rants to remove a single character like your life depends on it. [...] You are self centered on a wiki. You become arrogant when someone finally agrees with you for once. [...]"

"[...] seriously failed.

Actually it wa stated you make assumptions alot dont you kid? [...] think about what you say ok?

WOW a bunch of people who dont read Marvel comics or better yet can debate good job on helping me prove my point again [...] clearly you people dont know anything.

[...] WOW it was debunked again! you seriously need to get better with debating [...]

I throw insults when needed for morons who cant read and know when they are clearly wrong in a debate and only thing i can say is your are butthurt [...]

Dude people agreed so again you are wrong why are you trying so hard? just admit defeat and leave the page alone ok? :)"

Then there was this thread (mostly arguing with others):

http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:158175

"Your not making since and also if you actually seen my wiki you wouldnt make such a ignorant comment http://outskirtsbattledome.wikia.com/wiki/Beyonder http://outskirtsbattledome.wikia.com/wiki/Kami_Tenchi

Lol your statments are invalid kid go back to the wannabe OBD wiki."

"Lol Beyonder Is Omnipotent."

"[...] I am still winning here not you. :) you can't beat my scans so stop trying please."

"face palm* [...] please answer I'll be waiting."

"[...] you admitted to not knowing of the marvel comics like me or Dr.solar [...] Please stay on topic [...] Is it that hard to understand simple text in comments?

You uploaded a very dumb scan serious dude [...] honestly dude its not hard. [...]"

"Know what then dont reply because if you gonna be ignorant [...]"

"Dude you are biased I know more [...] you seemly don't know [...]"

" You just admitted thank you. [...] READ AGAIN! [ ...] did you not read? [...] by your own statements you are biased [...] and can't accept when you are beat. [...] I been counter your points all of them you just been ignorant [...] you can't read? [...] You are dumb [...] seriously you just proved you didn't read!"

To me again:

"You are the worlds biggest biased person here who fanboy+wank [...] "OMG THERES 22 DIMENSIONS HE IS SO OMNIVERSAL" < you are a moron [...] no one cares you wank [...] stop talking dude you suck at debating."

"Yes its your fault you are a moron

From reading your talk page 1. You are a troll 2. Wanker 3. You are a A Class moron [...] let me go slow so you can grasp what I am sayin [...] Honestly you got your info from a Webster Dictionary? You are slow and you shouldn't talk about grammar [...]"

" ^ Ignorance is blessed in these 2 seriously no scans? No factual answers? Stop debating seriously."

"CoolCat I showed more valid scans then you so please stop Antvasima all you say is the same shit so stfu you wanking fan boy."

Others again:

"CoolCat is being a troll in a serious debate. [...] he is being ignorant toward actual scans and all he does is type the things and not post actual scans."

"Coolcat you havent proved anything to counter my previous statements :) so you failed [...] you are mad [...] Also here is links on how wrong you are and if you are wrong let it go."

"Lol you don't know anything about him then you been proven wrong [...]"

"[...] #Failed"

"Didnt say it but you did learn how to debate follow my tips ok kid? http://outskirtsbattledome.wikia.com/wiki/Debating"

"Don't care anymore ignorance is blessed in some people [...] don't care I don't need to debate with low level debaters anyway. ._."

" Wrong.....Jesus did anyone read anything I fuckin posted??? [...] Just because you guys don't grasp [...] Honestly you guys aren't being fair with me [...] And much more unnecessary stuff people on forums debunked all the statements mentioned by all of you. [...] CoolCat that's YOUR personal Biased belief because in the comments people agree [...] so again you are proven WRONG! [...] Ima sleep now see ya!"

Then BG's "friend" Dr.Solar started insulting me again, but that is a matter for another complaint, I think.

Link where he is insulting another user:

http://powerlisting.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3AKorgan15&diff=497242&oldid=443135

"==Better watch yourself== I am the founder of the 1# debate group you idiot so watch your stereotypical mouth ok?"

Insulting me again:

http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Antvasima

"You aren't serious because you are a fool [...]" "Antvasima you are a moronic fanoy boy who wanks off [...]" "So the hell what if I named myself after a guy who literally rapes your favorite character [...] you are a moron [...] geez please shut up!"

All the while this was going on he was severely edit-warring at these two pages:

http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Omnipotence?action=history

http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Ultipotence?action=history

He also routinely makes various of his trademark gloating and/or provocative comments over at this Wiki:

http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/BeyonderGod

He also tried to make the unmoderated factpile wiki into an advertisement for his own plagiarised wiki: http://factpile.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/BeyonderGod

He did the same over at TvTropes, replacing the links to the actual Outskirts Battledome pages with a link to his own just started wiki.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Website.TheOutskirtsBattledome

And, as I mentioned previously, he seems to plagiarise the name and logo from the actual Outskirts Battledome community (located here: http://outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/ and here: http://www.narutoforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=190, with no control whatsoever from himself) in a blatant grab to (in)fame, and spams links to it wherever he can, as one can google on his "BeyonderGod" handle.

He is horribly exasperating to have to deal with, and actually enjoys what he calls "debating" (and almost anybody else would call neverending provocative trolling).

BeyonderGod
Looks like he reported you for harassment, so you might want to ask the staff since when has making a list about someones known actions been called that. --Kuopiofi (talk) 10:52, September 14, 2014 (UTC)

He is the one who has been systematically trolling and harrassing me, playing on my emotional responses to stress me out for weeks, while giving repeated insults and more recently trolling sadistic smilies about it. Antvasima (talk) 14:20, September 14, 2014 (UTC)

It is true about him spamming Tv Tropes, the factpile wiki, and everywhere he frequents with links to his copycat wiki, and that he has harrassed the OBD admins on Twitter and Facebook. I don't know about his multiple accounts, but I have submitted a complaint about his behaviour, as have you, and Nevermind, the owner of the original Outskirts Battledome wiki. Possibly others as well, but I don't know about them.

He just harrassed me for 9 hours straight today over several dozen posts at Community Central, and a completely uncompromising trolling edit war over at the Factpile wiki: http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/BeyonderGod Antvasima (talk) 15:16, September 14, 2014 (UTC)

I have to agree. I just read all that stuff in central, and he's clearly the one insulting and trolling, not you. (seriously, nothing, and I mean nothing, you have said so far is remotely trolling or even vandalizing. He's just saying that simply because you disagreed with him :/)

So yeah, I'm extending his ban. It's extremely likely that he'll continue that, and resume what he was doing last month, all over again. Gabriel456 (talk) 16:28, September 14, 2014 (UTC)

you're welcome :) Gabriel456 (talk) 16:34, September 14, 2014 (UTC)

Reading the above, I doubt he will be bothering us for a while now. Thanks to your evidence and Gabriel456!

I would love to see his reaction when he notices his ban is now 1 year haha! On my wiki hes banned until 2 September 5014.

Death horseman94 (talk) 21:59, September 14, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for informing me that he's moved on to the Community Central wiki. I will correct any misinformation before he even attempts to justify his actions on that wiki. CoolCat123450 (talk) 22:26, September 14, 2014 (UTC)

I say that mostly to see the reaction, but at the same time, I have told him countless times to change the name, but at least he made progress by changing the logo. Everything on his wiki is under his jurisdiction so all I can do is compel him to be more original or have VSTF clean the wikia community by expunging yet another unnecessary copy. Sometimes I am admittedly too nice though. CoolCat123450 (talk) 05:57, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

Indeed it should, but I have hidden my info for the time being.

Death horseman94 (talk) 08:57, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, that's unfortunately most likely the case. I already mentally have the suspect sockpuppets rounded up to appoint a global admin to IP check what is most likely the duplicate accounts. As you've mentioned, he demonstrates an erratic command of the English language that constantly varies from his many post and to further this deception and aggravate the provocation, he states on many of his wiki profiles that he wishes to correct grammar and accuses other users of lacking English skills. And I've been on the OBD wiki for many years, and I can honestly say I don't recollect consciously noticing his username except maybe briefly when he was hastily neutrallized. Right now, he is on Community Central and they are quite austere regarding public policy so while he is attempting to appeal to authority by groveling to the admins, his comportment with regular users should be his undoing. I most likely will not even have to compress a key to get him banned, but I have a contingency plan if anything is derailed. CoolCat123450 (talk) 23:58, September 16, 2014 (UTC)

Well, I have been told in no uncertain terms by staff that this matter is entirely out of my hands now, so I am afraid that from now on, everything is up to you and others. Best Wishes. Antvasima (talk) 05:58, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

Great news, Beyondergod has been banned on a couple of more obscure wikis and now he is attempting to infest wikipedia. I have to say, it is a pleasure watching him invalidate and ultimate debauch himself. And Community Central is becoming more wary of him.Oh, and it's going to be a while before I want to go on a debate wiki again but I might join soon. CoolCat123450 (talk) 02:28, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

It is a global block, but I don't know for how long it will last, so feel free to prepare your case of proof if you wish. Antvasima (talk) 04:13, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

Dimensions...??
I thank you for your prompt response on my talk page. However, I do not understand your concept of 5th dimensional beings and 16-dimensional Living Tribunal. Could you please explain in detail dimnesions and their relation to a multiverse?

Lord Kavpeny (talk) 17:35, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

I am not anywhere near a scientific authority (in fact, I am pretty stupid these days) but you know height, width, and length correct? Those dimensions, as well as time are the 4 dimensions that our universe consists of.

If you have an infinitely thin flat piece of paper, you get a two dimensional object with only width and length. If you stack an infinite number of those planes on top of each other you get a 3-dimensional object.

The same way, if you stack an infinite number of 3-dimensional objects on top of each other apong yet another, extremely hard to imagine dimension, you get a 4-dimensional object, but with time counted in, it turns to a 5-dimensional object.

According to M-theory, our universe is just one of a ridiculously high number of branes in such a 5-dimensional structure, comprising the multiverse.

However, scientists believe that there are either 10 or 11 dimensions in total in our reality, comprising an even greater than multiversal scale, as a 6-dimensional object is as far above a 5-dimensional object, as it is above a 4-dimensional object, and so onwards.

In certain fictional realms, there are even more than 11 dimensions. For example Marvel has at least 16 confirmed dimensions, and Tenchi Muyo more than 22. According to infinity in projective geometry, each higher-dimensional space is an infinite number of times greater/stronger than the last. Antvasima (talk) 18:20, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for warning me Gabriel456 (talk) 16:59, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

Medaka Box/Ajimu Najimi
It isn't the fact that she has those powers, it's that she has Complete Arsenal, which makes adding her as User to every power she has quite pointless. Just saying this before the unavoidable repeat Editing starts. --Kuopiofi (talk) 13:18, November 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. Never mind then. Antvasima (talk) 14:29, November 1, 2014 (UTC)

Heir to the stars characters
It doesn't really matter of its obscure or not, its still a valid user. a bunch of the known users are from series most of the people on this site have never even heard of before. Now if it was a total fanon story that would be a different story, but it consider its an official published book thats been out for several years its still valid. Especially for Totality Manipulation, as your never going to find a another user for it anywhere that wouldn't be considered fanon and thats not a lie its the complete truth, if you don't leave it in you might well just delete the page now.

I can think of at least 20 or more known users that are even more obscure then the characters from Heir to the stars. Anyway I am just trying to save those pages from being pushed to the wayside and end up never having any valid users. I did a lot of research trying to find other valid users and there nothing else out there that has them.

I hope I made a good argumentSageM (talk) 19:19, November 1, 2014 (UTC)SageM

Its not fanon- http://www.amazon.com/Lionel-Suggs/e/B006TPB3BA/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1

Heir to the Stars is an actual published book with an official ISBN that you can buy and read.SageM (talk) 19:36, November 1, 2014 (UTC)SageM

First, it really isn't possible to get any more obscure than the Heir To The Stars series, as the author himself admits that he has only sold 69 books in total for all his publications combined. There are fanfiction stories with millions of readers that should be prioritised far above it in that case.

Second, it is not true art. It is explicitly only written for the purpose of going on a absolutely psychotic sociopathic nihilistic and narcissistic power fantasy God-complex megalomania trip. As the author genuinely believes that by writing, he has retroactively created and taken control of all fiction and reality, attempts to play out the biblical revelation and to revel in being the antichrist, by supposedly usurping, defiling, and destroying all the gods and above, along with believing that he "owns" all fictional realms, along with their authors, including any fiction written by yourself, and per extension wanting to keep you as a slave if you are an author.

He writes non-stories, only there for listing his ever increasing power levels, and nothing else, and is basically only "known" for a self-aggrandising self-written wiki, and a facebook listing with a mere 50 likes, that list meaningless words and concepts as if they were fact dictated by divine law (or rather, several levels of infinity above divine law, as he would have put it). That is not the sort of behaviour that we should endorse and encourage, and nor should we or anybody else be encouraged to get dragged into his all-encompassing dystopian absolute psychosis. Antvasima (talk) 04:59, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

Totality manipulation should be deleted then, since there are no other characters anywhere in fiction that fit that power, and if they do there considered to be fanon. I know I did a lot of research beforehand to see if i could find another character for it before locating HTTS.SageM (talk) 05:22, November 2, 2014 (UTC)SageM

Deleting it is fine, I think. We already have omniverse manipulation, and higher-dimensional entity physiology. That should be enough. Antvasima (talk) 05:32, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

Recent edits
Don't add categories to Gallery Pages please, they should only have the Category:Galleries thank you. KaidbTalkBlog 19:44, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry. Sorry. I fixed it. Antvasima (talk) 19:46, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

Ban lifting
Can you lift my ban on the vs battle wiki, the reason for ban was that i was spamming external links but i only put out 2 links and those links were used for debating purposes, and i was banned for a year and thank you if you read this and respondItsyoboii (talk) 07:24, January 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * I am sorry, but I cannot interfere with how the other admins do their job. You will have to take it up with the admin who put the ban in place. Antvasima (talk) 07:43, January 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ok thank you for the response Itsyoboii (talk) 07:50, January 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * No problem. Antvasima (talk) 07:53, January 11, 2015 (UTC)

True Awakening
I understand. It hasn't achieved its popularity and base of fans yet. But it will soon trust me. Just in a few weeks I'll try to get this anime itself trending. I highly believe you in fact its in a early stage but will be efficient throughout the years. Thank you for your time. Just do me a favor and not remove them. Also are you willing to help me on this project it'd be a grand pleasure. KiraYatogami (talk) 07:05, January 12, 2015 (UTC)Cy
 * No problem. I am sorry, but I do not have the time or energy right now. I am busy being admin at VsBattles, the Tenchi Muyo wiki, and Marvel Answers, as well as my usual Wikipedia editing, but take care. You do not seem to be a bad person. Just try to avoid the hyperbole. Even certain massively higher-dimensional characters, for whom multiverses are less than a mote of dust in an infinite desert have been placed in nigh-omnipotence. Perhaps we could later add the 3 characters that you added to omnipotence to nigh omnipotence instead, and remove the others? However, for the moment this series has not even been published yet. Antvasima (talk) 07:13, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

Request
Antvasima, I had an idea which is an alternate take on the concept of Omnipotence. Whenever you find it convenient, please look up my thread. I would love to hear the opinion of a senior member, especially someone well versed in dealing of God-like beings.

My theory of Omnipotence

Lord Kavpeny (talk) 09:24, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

Unblocked on Vs Battle wiki
Could you unblock me on Vs battle wiki?SeiryuShin blocked me, tell him i'm sorry i would'nt make the same mistake again

OP/MP
Rules for this wiki: 12. No repeated Editing/Undoing of the same thing. If this becomes problem take it to Comments/Talk and talk it out instead of repeatedly messing with the page.

Keep it on Talk/Comments until you're finished. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:49, April 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't think that I have done that in this case, as far as I am aware? Antvasima (talk) 04:54, April 22, 2015 (UTC)

why you removed michael from Ultipotence? L12345 (talk) 10:46, April 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * Because for true omnipotence/ultipotence, you have to be all-powerful, boundless, and absolutely supreme, with no being that is able to cause any problems for you whatsoever. Granted, I don't know much about Michael, but can you honestly say that she qualifies for these standards? Antvasima (talk) 13:11, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

well,seeing it now,i don't think she qualifies for these standards,because,even though she is the infinite power of god,she is not god,as she still surpassed by him,and serve him,as such,i think that she fits more as a User of Nigh-Omnipotence of the Higher Level,as she is only limited by god himself.,and also,do you think that she would ber a user of Power embodiment?,since she is the power of god? L12345 (talk) 13:56, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes. That sounds reasonable. Antvasima (talk) 17:35, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

what?the thing of nigh-omnipotence of higher level or of power embodiment? L12345 (talk) 17:41, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * Both. Antvasima (talk) 17:43, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

how,and on there also have lucifer,Fallen Archangel, God's adversary. Its power can compete with God. that would count as nigh-omnipotence too,as her power can compete with god,but surpassed by him? it remember me of death from supernatural,who the power rivals that of god,but is stills surpassed by him. L12345 (talk) 17:47, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * That would probably also count as nigh-omnipotence as this wiki defines the term. Antvasima (talk) 17:53, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

well,them i will put Michael and Lucifer On Nigh-Omnipotence,i only need to think on what specifically say on theirs legends on the gallery. L12345 (talk) 17:57, April 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * Okay. Antvasima (talk) 17:58, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

Absolute Strength: Azrael
He holds back his strength because its so vast that he doesn't want to destroy everything he touches, they even say that his true strength is beyond measure, he is more powerful then everyone in the cast(including hakumen)he is so powerful that even with the seal on he is more powerful then the azure grimoire. His strength does indeed appear to be limitless in comparison to all the other members of the cast. So yeah he fits Absolute Strength.SageM (talk) 04:10, May 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM

Also add the fact he has never been beaten any other character in the series, in fact Hakumen ran away rather then actually fight Azrael which implies there really is no limit to his strength.SageM (talk) 04:24, May 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM

He is basically an expy of Jack Rakan, only a hundred times more powerful since he is showing sleeping comfortably in an absolute zero prison and wakes up as if nothing happened.SageM (talk) 04:28, May 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM

His wiki page said that his unsealed strength is akin to a volcanic eruption. That is nowhere bear enough to qualify for Absolute Strength. It has to be of an at least solar scale, and should preferably be much higher than that. Antvasima (talk) 04:30, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Excalibur Ruler fits omniarch...
Excalibur ruler fits Omniarch as it also one to rule anything, People, monsters, attacks, conceptual forces, the weather, ANYTHING!!! It even is confirmed by the author to be able to do all that. So I am re-adding it.SageM (talk) 16:53, June 4, 2015 (UTC)SageM
 * Okay. Antvasima (talk) 18:42, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Block on VS Battles wiki
Sorry for messaging you on here but you stopped me from being able to message on my talk page after you blocked me with absolutley no warning. So, I was blocked for "inserting false information" Could you please tell me when I did so? None of the information I placed on that wiki was false.Doc Nef (talk) 06:47, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
 * Here. You are not allowed to make such drastic and likely inaccurate changes without consensus in the talk section. Come back in a month. Antvasima (talk) 09:17, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I was not aware, but you shouldn't block me for this, merely give me a warning and then block were I to persist. That is how wikia sites usually work. I'll make sure not to make changes without using the talk. Un-block please.--Doc Nef (talk) 13:01, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
 * New users who immediately start inserting bad information have far less leeway than ones that have behaved for a while. VsBattles isn't like regular wikis in the sense that it covers a wide variety of subjects that all users including the admins are mostly unfamiliar with, which, combined with that new visitors have a strong tendency to turn extremely rowdy and unmanageable if they are not kept firmly in order, makes the job to manage it extremely hard for the administrators.
 * Thus, we tend to block those who immediately start to cause trouble because othervise they will eventually take up considerable amounts of our free time to keep track of. Also, most of the other admins do not perform full admin duties, making my personal job that much harder. I don't like to block people, but must also think of trying to keep the disorder and time consumption to a manageable level. Antvasima (talk) 13:42, June 10, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I understand. I too am an admin on a wiki (the Dragon Ball wiki to be precise) where administration could arguably be seen as... inadequate. I'm sorry for the trouble. If you'd rather I remain blocked for a month then that is fine.--Doc Nef (talk) 04:44, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, you were polite, so I am shortening down your block. Antvasima (talk) 16:56, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok. Thank you.--Doc Nef (talk) 09:29, June 12, 2015 (UTC)

The Elder Scrolls
I was mid-way through writing my counter-argument when I was banned.

It doesn't say that they think in 16-dimensions - they phsycially fire 16 dimensional maths as artillery fire. Later in the paragraph it clearly shows Kinmune being physically hit by one such blast. It's not just thinking, it's explictly tangible and it's clearly shown to physically affect individuals. Before that, it states the fight takes place in brane-space.

Et'Ada aren't the embodiment of different universes, their realms exist as a part of their being. What they are is the embodiment of concepts. It's been stated many times over the yearss that Akatosh is time, no flow of time can exist without Akatosh. Magnus embodies magic and Sheogorath embodies madness. And there is a huge difference between them in power - Molag Bal himself says there are far worse than himself, and he has better feats than other Princes.SpiralMaster (talk) 11:34, July 10, 2015 (UTC)


 * We are present in an 11-dimensional multiverse. That doesn't make us 11-dimensional any more than it makes the ordinary denizens or constructs of TES 16-dimensional. And firing 16-dimensional mathematics is a nonsensical interpretation. Math is hypothetical calculations, not a physical objects, just calculations of a certain number of variabels. The rules must adhere to you the same as for everybody else, and I cannot continue to make exceptions for you forever. Antvasima (talk) 12:22, July 10, 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not talking about the ordinary denizens, I'm talking about the gods the embody major concepts. And even lesser races can develop technology to affect higher dimensions (though the Hist & the Jills were never that ordinary to start with). It doesn't matter if you think it's nonsensical, it happened and it had explicitly had physical effects when Kinmunes body was caught in one if the blasts.  It's not the first or even worst time fiction has broken the laws of physics.SpiralMaster (talk) 13:35, July 10, 2015 (UTC)