Talk:List of Elemental Abilities/@comment-1413143-20121113091047

Well I have studied the elemental powers and their abilities to be used with scientific reality. In other words, I have learned quite a bit about being an elementalist from my research. There are quite a few things I am finding a bit off about this list, but I will only list one obvious one for now.

Aren't Ice-based powers technically a subcategory of Water-based? The main reason for me saying this is that if someone has mastered their control of water, they would be able to control it fully, all the way down to a molecular level. This would result in them being able to control the molecules to the point of being able to slow them down and compress them causing the liquid to form into a solid (i.e. water to ice). Now if they have already been able to get to this point, then they should also be able to manipulate that Ice, although it may be a bit rougher for them to do.

Now I am not saying that someone can't have powers over Ice and not water, but that would be more of an innate skill with the power to the point of it being natural like its own ability. But if it came to that point, I would be almost certain that with training they could develop Water-based abilities, although that does not mean everyone would be able to have the skill to work past their innate ability.

As for the ability to freeze things, that would not be considered an Ice-based ability unless the thing you are freezing contains water, and that would refer back to my second paragraph. You could use powers of water or ice to create a layer of ice over something, but unless something contains water, you cannot technically freeze it unless it is the liquid form of another substance (which typically would require a different form of elemental control, like metal manipulation (a subcategory for earth-based powers) for liquid metals).

My main point is, Ice-based powers should be listed as a subcategory of Water-based. I was surprised that this wasn't already done since earth-based powers already list plastic, glass, and metal as subcategories.

P.S. As I said, there are quite a few other things wrong with this list, but I just wanted to address that one first. (And I would edit this, but I am not very good with editing Wikias, so I wouldn't want to mess anything up for future readers.)