Talk:Causality Manipulation/@comment-38665804-20190603113831/@comment-24053170-20200116030037

Its hard to say.

We know for certain that Oblivion has essentially always existed (if you can count a being that personifies nonexistence to exist as we understand things) due to multiple examples being given and confirmation from the staff at Marvel.

From what I can assume, TOAA is responsible for the existence of the First Firmament (the original basis for the marvel multiverse) and all its functions and designs.

Its never confirmed whether or not Oblivion was created by TOAA as well, or if he simply was always there from the get-go.

Since were discussing things that existed long before the basic concepts of time, space or history. its hard to say what was actually there first.

The only thing that is certain is that Oblivion was already present before the existence of the First Firmament and by extension the first iteration of the Marvel multiverse.