Talk:Absolute Immortality/@comment-12448588-20171220052617/@comment-12448588-20180101200003

I guess I should be even more clear. I have no problem with the ability, but a problem with the contradictions.



Existence is the state of being; to have even a concept of something is to exist. You state that Omni-lock is outside of such a thing as 'existence'. It is not even a concept ... well, it says in the description:   "The user's existence and soul become completely free and independent of even the concept of reality, making them unbound to the subjects of life, death, and manipulations."



A concept is a thought, theory, imagination. Reality is that that is, but being even beyond the concept of what is or isn’t real is beyond existence itself; it transcends it. This ability cannot be manipulated so no form of manipulation is subject to it; it cannot change (one of the possible downfalls of this ability). Even if existence were to collapse those of this power would still be functioning, because they are not bound to anything, even a concept of what is there or not, very similar to Omni-lock in that regard.



Immortality manipulation is a manipulation and '''manipulations are powerless against this ability by its definition above. ANYTHING that MANIPULATES (as stated above) CANNOT CHANGE THIS--it is in an NEVER ENDING or CEASE TO BE STATE. Immortality negation is a remover, to negate is also to manipulate or change''', which this is immune to.



<p style="margin:0in0in0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">The problem is unavertable death is that it is death. This transcends death; so how can death catch something that is forever above it? If death gains Transendence it's like saying an omnipotent being can kill an omnipotent being ... they are independent of each other. This power states that it cannot be '''manipulated, removed, or even bound to concepts of what real or isn't ... Omni-lock users 'exist' outside of existence, but are in and of themselves independently existent. This user CANNOT be removed or destroyed short of Omnipotent means. It says they are free from even the 'concept' of ... life and death ... so, no, not alive.'''

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<p style="margin:0in0in0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0in;">If you want to tighten up the description then that's fine, but by definition it is contradictory. Just tighten up the description, but then it wouldn't be absolute ... so it falls under a different category. The way it is written this is the Omnipotent means of immortality ... unbeatable. If not, then change the definition. <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">