Talk:Ultipotence/@comment-4370030-20160621060905/@comment-24053170-20160621083128

another piece of proof that the phoenix has been around since the beginning, is the Dweller-in Darkness a primordial being even older then galactus, in a universe long before the ones we know of he cracked the M'kraan crystal and the phoenix sacrificed itself to save it, which lead to the creation of the next universe.

This implies the phoenix has literally been there since the beginning. as its older then all the other abstracts(most of the other abstracts didn't exist at the time the phoenix was alive, as eternity and other abstracts aren't mentioned to have been around until galans universe, even death isn't mentioned to be around during the time of the dweller in darkness, which means all the other abstracts are recent additions, but every piece of ancient history I have found states the phoenix was already there from the very beginning.

So yes, the Phoenix and the Tribunal are the oldest beings next to TOAA.