Talk:Absolute Combat/@comment-30766268-20171007130153/@comment-30766268-20171007195922

true, naruto and sasuke are on equal terms, but jst to remind you, they went to the fight against madara as all of team seven, including kakashi.

and that was after madara was in a fight against guy, lee, the 4th hokage and kakashi, maybe there was another one, but I am not sure if garra was there or not.

I don't remember at nya point there was any statment saying they are stronger then him.

considering the fact it was kind of asstablished that naruto, as the hokage, is kind of weaker then how he was in that final fight, becuase he lost his hand and haven't been training for a long time, as seen in the naruto gaiden (I think it was that), and naruto at the fight against madara wasn't stronger then madara, you can't say even as the hokage he is stronger then madara.

I would be able to bye it if you are saying naruto is stronger then hashirama and sasuke is stronger then madara, in BASE FORM, but if we are tlaking about fullpower madara and full power hashirama, I don't really see narut and sasuke wins.

madara and hashirama have more expirience, know how to use their powers better, and are stright out stronger. even at full power, their final fight haven't done as much damage as the normal fights between amdara and hashirama.

madara casualy cutting mountain ranges while he is fighting a normal fight against hashirama.

I haven't see the final fight of narut and sasuke have anything THAT massive in term of the colloteral damage. sure, their fight, while sasuke have rinnegan, eternal mangekyo sharingan, and both of them have the rikudo senin energy, avaporated, in their FINAL most strongest attacks colliding, the entire lake, created a tornado, and destroy mountains which were aorund.

you know what were the rsult of the fight of madara and hashirama in that vally?

the creation of the vally.

naruto and sasuke evaporated all the water form the vally. in rikudo senin mode, and rinnegan.

madara and hashirama created the vally, while madara didn't had rinnegan, and non of them had a rikudo senin energy.

if we are looking at it THAT way, then yes, naruto and sasuke from that fight can have an equal ground, and might even surpass hashirama and madara.

if we are tlaking about full power, serius hashirama, and fullpowered, seriuse madara, vs naruto and sasuke at their peak, I have no doubt in my mind that naruto and sasuke stand no chance of winning.

they ar eindeed qoulify to be in ultimate combat, but they are not stronger then madara and hashirama.