Talk:Reader Embodiment/@comment-38741877-20190314105110/@comment-32440156-20190731164931

Miracle embodiments don't have Meta Miracle Manipulation. MMM is a tool to be used only by Authors and Omnipotents to end the story. None of the users of Miracle embodiment have MMM as that's simply not possible for the most cases. It is basically, the same as magic embodiment not having Almighty Magic wwhich most magic embodiments dont have. Being the source of something doesn't mean you'll have the Omnipotent version of that thing.

Secondly, I never said that Avatar manipulation is weak but it is just not as strong as you're making out to be. The 3rd limitation on the page states.

"May not work on some people who are resistant to change in their avatars."

Pretty much all the strong Embodiments you can think of like logic embodiment,etc cannot have their embodiments changed if they are strong enough. So, the user cannot really summon any embodiment which is capable of defeating Meta Power Immunity as if the embodiment were that strong, then it would have been impossible to summon them in the first place. So, no, Avatar Manipulation cannot beat Meta Power Immunity in any way.