Talk:Omnipotence/@comment-35836648-20180829013721/@comment-4867780-20180917135755

So he went outside the cosmological map into a previously unknown plane of existence ? I seem to remember a number of Marvel characters did something similar at some point in their career, it has even become a recurring pattern over the years.

As mentioned before, "created by" and "powered by" are different things. The Source may be the direct origin of many supernatural abilities, but post-creation they appear to operate independently. Kryptonian physiology for example is powered by solar energy, not Source energy. The Source changed said physiology to allow this solar empowerment, but afterwards Kryptonian powers run on solar energy alone, so they would likely continue to operate with or without the Source around.

The only exception that comes to mind are godlike entities whose powers effectively run on Source energy, which includes a variety of pantheons and particularly their most powerful members, Darkseid being one of the most famous among them.

I wouldn't give that much credit to this one story, comics writer of long-running continuities are well-known for their rectoning tendencies, and DC writters seem to be particularly fond of this narrative tool, so only well-established facts over extended periods of time are truly reliable in the end, like Superman running on solar energy and Batman on training and preparations.

Here again, a number of Marvel characters crossed into unknown territories in the wake of high-end story arcs, outside of the traditional cosmology known as Multiverse but still within the larger Marvel continuity (everything that appears in it). So I'm not sure Lucifer doing the same in DC actually weighs that much in terms of feats.

Besides, considering Lucifer is inherently inferior to the Presence and derives his powers from it, doesn't the Multiverse created by said Presence being only one among endless others mean that Lucifer's powers are also a mere drop in a similarly endless ocean, with him being just one powerful entity among countless equals and even higher ones in the grand scheme of things ?