Talk:Logic Manipulation/@comment-33216323-20171110031041/@comment-29564364-20180130120118

«Mathematics is nothing more than the logical conclusions one can make as the result of any given set of axioms.» «We can choose which set of axioms we'd like to start with, sure. But what we can't change is the logical conclusions of that axiomatic framework. Ergo, mathematics is absolutely immutable and independent of conscious minds.» Your argument falls apart the moment you invoke notions of choice and reasoning because those can only be done by thinking agents.

«The thing you don't seem to understand is that mathematics encompasses all possible sets of axioms - not just the ones that seem to align with our universe.» Wrong. I do understand that, which is why I said "Mathematics, as a language we use to describe the universe, becomes irrelevant without a universe to describe [...]" and "Then where do those mathematical axioms that have no applications in reality come from [...]?" thus drawing the distinction between applied mathematics and theoretical mathematics.

Try again.