User talk:Trey Davis

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Nekron2 (talk)I am replying to a message, you posted on Deuz's talk page.

Applications for the most part are there to give an idea about what the user of that power may have and it doesn't necessarily mean that the users will absolutely have it (earlier it was meant to be a basic set of power that every user had but now, it is just that) especially if the said application is Omnipotence. For eg- Author authority is listed as an application of Omniarch but none of the users have Author Authority. So, the point stands, Omnipotence cannot be gained by any means, be it almighty replication, almighty ascension or any other power, it is purely a status which either you always had or you never had and never will, there is no in-between.Nekron2 (talk) 08:43, August 3, 2019 (UTC)

"I disagree but I already had this debate so Meta Miracle manipulation can fight against Omnipotent because that’s impossible."

No, meta miracle manipulation cannot fight against Omnipotence as it is a technique of Omnipotence and Author Authority. In a setting with Omnipotent beings, only they can have that power and no one else as it is a tool for them to end the story. In fact as this has been causing so much confusion I think Omnipotence should be edited to state that it cannot be achieved by any means as nearly on every page you'll find a message "can this achieve Omnipotence?". I don't know how is it that hard for people to understand a simple thing that there is a power on this wikia that is more of a status and cannot be achieved by any means.Nekron2 (talk) 12:14, August 3, 2019 (UTC)

Basically, since there is isn't a word for "beyond impossible" so I had to go for impossible. No matter what you have or how you have whether you can manipulate logic, possibilities, causalities, etc you can never "achieve" true Omnipotence as it is just so beyond all we consider possible/impossible, logical/illogical, cause/effect, etc that all of these things are one and the same and completely insignificant to a truly omnipotent being. Basically, "achieving" Omnipotence would a feat equal to a fictional character trying to kill a REAL LIFE AUTHOR which no character can do (even non-canon deadpool only killed the fictional representations of the authors, not the real authors themselves), no matter how much possibility/ logic they can manipulate. Nekron2 (talk) 13:10, August 3, 2019 (UTC)

"Meta teleportation can teleport from fantasy into reality even if reality is outside of everything. Meta Ability Negation can negate the Author’s power while inside Reality."

Meta Teleportation- Not really, that "everywhere" which includes Omnilocked locations and "reality" are still limited to fiction and not the reality in which we reside in unless you actually believe that you can create a comic from which spider man can jump into our reality.

Now, listen this, all that 4th wall breaching or affecting reality stuff isn't applicable to the reality in which we reside in. When Deadpool jumps into the "reality" and kills the authors, he kills the author of what he believes as "reality"(which is just another reality inside the story) and all that stuff only happens inside the comic and doesn't influences us in any way.Nekron2 (talk) 14:08, August 3, 2019 (UTC)

"Fine ideas can't hop into reality so create a omni or multiverse and be lord over it easy omnipotence.

A fictional charater is fake however things in reality are diffrent manipulating boundaries fictional subtances allows for anything the user can imagine without the realkt fiction barrier in. The way you can create a omniverse and it be real not fake

A fictional charater is fake however things in reality are diffrent manipulating boundaries fictional subtances allows for anything the user can imagine without the realkt fiction barrier in. The way you can create a omniverse and it be real not fake"

That's not how Omnipotence actually works. The Omnipotence which we are talking about is Omnipotence in fiction/religion which can only be possesed by a character in the said religion or fiction, not by us. Real-life people who create stories aren't Omnipotent, however, their fictional avatars representing them can be omnipotent and those fictional avatars have always been Omnipotent, they didn't achieve it, they always had it which is what I was saying. Since, this cause so much confusion a trivia is added on the Omnipotence page- Nekron2 (talk) 16:53, August 3, 2019 (UTC)
 * Omnipotence can't be achieved via other powers or otherwise.

"Okay good point origin manipulation can allow you to be Omnipotent within your own Multi verse"

Trying to get Omnipotence like that will only get you nigh-omnipotence, same with Absolute Change, absolute wish,etc. Even manipulation of origin counts as a "way" to "achieve" a power even though you always had the power, so this won't work,too. Also, Omnipotence isn't limited to multiverse but to entirety of fictional continuity. If your Omnipotent then you can apply your power to your entire continuity.Nekron2 (talk) 17:58, August 3, 2019 (UTC)

"Fine how about the Omniverse or totality just create your own continuity done and done also make it truth that you were always omnipotent within your own Multiverse that's not achieving that is always in a illogical way.

Nekron2 I see your point and have really good points however, a Multiverse is another fictional continuity by definitionnp. It is a Another Universe with an infinite collection of realities Omniverse is an infinite collection of multiverses totality is everything omnipotent abilities give you the ability to create each of those without exception without limitn

Meta Ascension because of my points above I won the debate thank you and god bless"

No, it is not. Another multiverse isn't considered to be a fictional continuity. For- example, in Marvel, there is a beyondverse, which is a multiverse so big that the regular multiverse is a drop of water against it and it was created by the beyonder, yet he isn't Omnipotent because the said multiverse isn't a fictional continuity, it is part of the marvel comics and thus a part of marvel continuity. A fictional continuity means ALL of Marvel, be it the beyondverse, regular multiverse or anything and/or everything that has ever been produced by Marvel. Plus, how does even creating a new multiverse supposed to make you all-powerful? All-powerful means that you are Caple of doing everything, you know everything, yo are all-present and most important of all- you possess all powers and are inconceivably, beyond any powers/abilities and are stronger than the entire Fictional continuity combined. Sorry, but creating a multiverse gives none of that or God from Supernatural would have been Omnipotent, too. No matter how much you want to argue that a character can become Omnipotent in any way be it logical/illogical, it simply can't.

Also, to I'd to point this out if we are selecting "winners", then I won a long time ago as the Omnipotence page literally states- So, yeah argue as much as you may want but that won't change any of what I said.Nekron2 (talk) 14:29, August 4, 2019 (UTC)
 * Omnipotence can't be achieved via other powers or otherwise.

"Well if you achieving onmnipotent is impossible using an omnipotent ability explain why a lot of omnipotent abilities say you can do anything without exception. Subjective reality says you can bring any fantasy to life same with menifery and you can fantasize about being omnipotent also, explain totality manipulation. The rules pf the wiki says whenever something is contradicting use logic to tell which preseed the other. I can believe you once you explain this."

That "anything" by default excludes Omnipotence. There is a reason why on every page, Omnipotence isn't mentioned as a limitation because it is obvious. Omnipotence is basically an automatic limitation to every power in existence. So, when it is said that Nonexistence can erase everything that excludes Omnipotence but it isn't metioned as adding to every page "except omnipotence" is redundant and is already understood. it is similar to how you won't go around and add nonexistence to the limitation of every defensive powerNekron2 (talk) 17:06, August 4, 2019 (UTC)

So, basically, you failed to notice that Nonexistence on the capabilities of Omnilock has been replaced by Ultimate Erasure as it was later decided that nothing can protect against Nonexistence not even Omnilock. Seriously, read the comments on Nonexistence page.

Also, have you not noticed that the limitations on Omnilock clearly states that Omnipotence can defeat it? I knew that you would bring absolute wish. No, even "unrestricted" wish granting cannot grant true Omnipotence, ask an admin if you want to confirm it and see if they say any different. As I said earlier, it is an absolute ironclad rule of the wikia that Omnipotence is an obvious limitation on every page, as such there is no need to mention it everywhere I seriously fail to understand how even though the Omnipotence page itself says that it cannot be attained by any means, then too you simply cannot accept it.

When the wikia was created, Omnipotence was taken as the power to be the absolute, end point a power that cannot be achieved and cannot be defeated by any means, you either have it or you don't. To end the agruments related to the paradox surrounding the Omnipotence, a new page Metapotence, a simplified version of Omnipotence was created. The very main pic of that page has the image that shits on the famous Omnipotent Paradox. This is the answer to the paradox thing you mentioned. An Omnipotent being can do anything no matter how paradoxical it may seem.

At this point, even after being provided with proves and even after, the Omnipotence page literally saying that it cannot be achieved by any power, you just don't want to accept that Omnipotence cannot be achieved.Nekron2 (talk) 17:51, August 4, 2019 (UTC)

Co-incindentally,-

" They possess all powers and everything beyond them, existing on level inconceivably above/beyond any other power/concept."

Which part of the above statement about Omnipotence do you not get? Users are  inconceivably   beyond any power meaning to them there is no difference between Absolute wish or normal wish granting. They both are one and the same and both cannot do anything to Omnipotence and/or cannot achieve Omnipotence. Do, you seriously think that each of the 120000 pages listed here would mention the "except Omnipotence" thing?

Also-

"Its one and only wielder (there can be only one in each fictional continuity, hence the "Above All") is fundamentally invincible, completely immune to all other powers, and able to defeat the combined might of all creation and its mightiest beings just by wanting it, without the slightest effort."

This is your answer why you even with those "unrestricted" powers of your cannot affect them or protect you, no matter what.

"The user can achieve and do absolutely anything without any limit or condition, including the conceptually impossible and logically impossible, like "bigger than infinity" or "making a squared circle""

This is your answer to how things like the paradox of "immovable object and unstoppable force" is absolutely nothing compared to Omnipotence. So, yeah, you see, you are the one who is refusing to follow with what the pages say. So, drop it already.Nekron2 (talk) 18:05, August 4, 2019 (UTC)

" Hmm Nekron Powers that pretty much every user could use with minimal training, the basic set essentially. if it's here, not being able to do it is very much exception. If it isn't in Applications, Techniques or Variations of the sub-power, then don't add it as sub-sub-power, add it as separate sub-power. (Sub-power) (Sub-sub-power) Techniques Powers that user either has to learn or have a knack to do, possibly both. Sorry when i Omnipotence in applications it means Omnipotence unless the page creation rules are somehow outdated?"

That is what I said, the applications were considered as a basic set of powers, every user should have but people like throwing around their favourite powers  in the applications, hoping someone will not notice and when someone tries to remove the power an argument starts which lasts for over 2 months, which no one wants. So, now it is considered that the users of a power will only have those powers listed in the applications that actually match with the description capabilities.

This is reason that many extremely weak Destructive abilities have nonexistence as as an application despite the fact that Nonexistence is the strongest offensive power and all of the destructive powers combined don't even come close to it. If we talk about Omnipotence, then unity has omnipotence listed under applications as if being one with everything can somehow grants you the ability to do everything no matter how illogical. So, yeah as of now, users of a power will only have those powers listed in the applications that actually match with the description capabilities.Nekron2 (talk) 15:17, August 5, 2019 (UTC)

No, it doesn't which is why conceptual anchoring can protect you against it as stated in the limitations. There is no power that can match metapotence as it is basically OmnipotenceNekron2 (talk) 15:47, August 5, 2019 (UTC)

Well, that's not how immunities/anchors work, if it was that easy to "screw" the limitations, then those limitations wouldn't have been there to begin with. You can basically, imagine it this way- an anchor turns you into an absolute nullification field for a specific power, in which the power, no matter how much its "transcends" or becomes more powerful can work. So, no, conceptual anchoring will provide immunity agaisnt boundary manipulation.Nekron2 (talk) 18:16, August 5, 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, but those are nothing, once again which part of "inconceivably" beyond all powers do you not get. BM isn't even close to Metapotence as unlike Metapotence, it cannot directly affect conceptual anchoring, it has to do so by granting itself another power, i.e, Meta Power Manipulation which defeats conceptual anchoring. If we go past conceptual anchoring, then Omnilock is in the limitation which cannot be directly affected by even Meta Power Manipulation, you now have to use Meta Power Manipulation to grant Absolute Change/Nonexistence (the strongest Omnipotent Powers of the wikia), two powers which have been stated by admins and the page creators alike to be below Metapotence. So, case in point, Boundary Manipulation is way below Metapotence which was the point of argument. Also, if Meta Transcendence tries to reach the level of Metapotence, you will wipe yourself out of existence which is actually the meaning of the limitations on Meta Transcendence, I know it is confusing but it actually means this. Basically, as you were a being whose very meaning and existence were tied to the limitations, if you lose all the limitations, then you will also lose the limitation of "meaning" and "existence", erasing yourself in the process. Since, a Metapotent being never had any kind of limitations to begin with it can exist and doesn't get erased due to the reasons above. This the rationale why you either are an Omnipotent/Metapotent or you aren't. If you try to become one you you will lose your meaning and existence, wiping yourself in the process- the result of absolute greed.

So, you proved nothing, and cannot prove anything because- (a)The Page itself states that it cannot be achieved by any power no matter what (b)The admins themselves have pretty much made it as an absolute rule that Omnipotence cannot be achieved. (c) The creators of the wikia themselves made it the rule that Omnipotence cannot be defeated/achieved by any means. These facts wouldn't be changed no matter what you say or do as these things were three since the creation of the wikia and long before you even joined.

So, now any powers you may come up with now like Definition Manipulation, 'Pataphysics Manipulation, Logic Manipulation,etc cannot grant you Omnipotence for the the reasons stated above. At this point you are only giving yourself false assurance that you can achieve Omnipotence despite the page, the admins and even the wikia creators themselves confirming otherwise. Sometimes, some things aren't what we used to believe or wanted to be. So, it is better to accept it and move on.Nekron2 (talk) 08:48, August 6, 2019 (UTC)

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You think i’m Stubborn correct let me define Omnipotent Abilities A category dedicated towards Omnipotence and it’s variations a piece of infinity is still infinity. Truth is what ever i want it to be so the truth is I transcend alll boundaries even the one that says i’ll Die if i do i’ve Reached Meta Ascension Advanced variation of Almighty Ascension"

Then let me define Omnipotence for you once again-"They possess all powers and everything beyond them, existing on level inconceivably above/beyond any other power/concept." and "Omnipotence can't be achieved via other powers or otherwise."

Also, by the ways, transcending ALL limitation also includes transcending the limitations of meta transcendence, if you have not noticed, and even after doing that, the user is erased, so no.

No matter whether you change the definition of anything,  tweak all boundaries, manipulate logic, manipulate truth, etc , nothing will work as one way or the other you were once bound to limitations even if you changed your origin itself as even origin is bound to the limitation of "meaning" and "existence", losing them will erase you out of existence, no matter how much you can manipulate the truth/logic/reality. This is what happened to the witches in Umineko, they had all these powers Truth Manipulation, Definition Manipulation, Boundary Manipulation etc but each one of them was erased out trying to achieve omnipotence despite the fact they even changed the truth/logic/boundary because that's how strong Omnipotence is it is INCOCEIVABLY beyond all powers/concepts like truth/logic/boundaries. The following quote describes what happened to these ungodly powerful witches-

"However the fact they create everything and are freed from all restrictions means they don't even have a restriction such as the ground underneath their feet. Beings that lost all restrictions... In exchange for obtaining everything they lose even the restriction of their own meaning. Even the notion of life and death disappears, even the meaning of them existing disappears."

So, yeah, you are wrong because the pages literally prove you to be wrong. Why is it so hard for you to accept what is written on the page and move on? When the page states something, then it is not without meaning. The page states that Omnipotence cannot be achieved, so it cannot be achieved, just accept it and move on, the page wouldn't change because you want that Omnipotence should be that can be achieved.Nekron2 (talk) 16:56, August 6, 2019 (UTC)

Also, since you have been throwing around random Omnipotent abilities, so it is better to address all of them at once. A user of Complete Arsenal has all the Omnipotent Powers up their sleeve and all the powers that you are imagining, can imagine, was there, is there or will be there like the Advance Variation of Meta Ascension which you made up, all of that is included in Complete Arsenal but yet with all of that, they cannot achieve Omnipotence and this limitation cannot be removed/transcended by any way. So, yeah the combination of all the powers you can think of right now has already failed to grant Omnipotence. So, either ways you are absolutely wrong.Nekron2 (talk) 17:12, August 6, 2019 (UTC)

Nekron just were're clear i'm just saying at the highest level Omnipotent abilities by thier very definition can become truly Omnipotent via transcenting all limitations including the one that says you'll die because of it i fantasize of a Omnipotent element using fanstasy element manipulation i make that idea real. Sorry it's that simple you are wrong alright so give it up!Trey Davis (talk) 01:10, August 7, 2019 (UTC)

Nekron ''"However the fact they create everything and are freed from all restrictions means they don't even have a restriction such as the ground underneath their feet. Beings that lost all restrictions... In exchange for obtaining everything they lose even the restriction of their own meaning. Even the notion of life and death disappears, even the meaning of them existing disappears." okay i say i transdent the limitation behind the transdence with Omnilock or Absolute Existence in other words. they don't even have a restriction such as the ground underneath their feet. I float!Trey Davis (talk) 01:10, August 7, 2019 (UTC)''

"Sure and you say that no exceptions means anything except wait wasn’t the ability limitless and Omnipotent"

Do, you know any other language than English because don't seem to get a thing I have been saying since a long time. Omnipotence is INCONCEIVABLY beyond all powers which includes even Omnipotent powers, so even though the abilities are limitless and Omnipotent, they are still below true Omnipotence and that "can do everything" actually means "can do everything with the exception of doing anything related to true Omnipotence" and it is not written that way is because it is obvious.

Self-Omnipotence- it means that you can manipulate your being without any limits, but even the page creator himself stated that the user cannot become truly Omnipotent as that would make it no different from true omnipotence.

Omnilock- Even though the users are completely outside of all limitations, they still have limitations as they are still part of the totality of existence which is why they can be erased by nonexistence even though they exist outside of nonexistence(absolute) and also they can still be affected by absolute change despite being outside of all changes. This is the reason they can still exist because they do still have limitations. Omnipresence can be defeated by an Absolute Attack, so, that isn't even a consideration.

"Meta is Meta so, it must do everything" is the most retarded and ridiculous argument I've ever heard. 'Pata is way beyond Meta and it still incomprehensibly below Omnipotence because Omnipotence is "on a level inconceivably above/beyond any other power/CONCEPT." I am not even discussing this any further.

If you think that the witches of Umineko were nerfed, then you have absolutely no knowledge of the games/manga. The witches manipulated the definition of Omnipotence, they manipulated the truth of the outcome of trying to get Omnipotence and manipulated various boundaries but all of them were still erased. Also, I don't think that you know the difference between a nerf and a retcon.

All your "imagination" stuff has already been covered by Complete arsenal. Everything that you are imagining, can imagine, will imagine all that are already there, constantly active in complete arsenal and are failing miserably trying to achieve Omnipotence. For eg- If you are thinking of a power that can instantly grant you Omnipotence or a power that transcends the limitation of Complete Arsenal, etc all that are there in Complete arsenal, yet they are failing to grant Omnipotence because it is a state of being that cannot be achieved by any power even if the said power was designed to grant you Omnipotence, this is why Omnipotent being are "on a level inconceivably above/beyond any other POWER/concept." I have said this lines more timesp than I have said my own name. So, from now on I am completely ignoring any of your statements that involve "This power on the wikia/of my imagination can grant omnipotence because........" or "Omnipotence can be achieved because this power is Absolute/Meta/'Pata/Omni/Omnipotent/any other concept" as concepts and powers means nothing to omnipotence.Nekron2 (talk) 05:24, August 7, 2019 (UTC)

Nekron fine I can make Totality to my myself Omnipotent in that Totality.Trey Davis (talk) 12:11, August 7, 2019 (UTC)

Fine I dream reality that i’m Omnipotent and Meta Transcendence + Omnilock + Power Refineing let cover what you’re saying all at once I grant my self Omnipresence so I can now transcend all boundaries and complete arsenal proves my point because a power that grants Omnipotence is a power only imagined is beyond impossible in fact I ignore you statement this spews someone else’s idea but Absolute Impossibility Manipulation the ablity to control absolute impossibility like defeating a Omnipotent Being.Trey Davis (talk) 13:14, August 7, 2019 (UTC)

The point of Omnipotent powers is to do anything and the point of Meta Transcendence is to transcend all boundaries sorry but, complete arsenal works in MY FAVOR because their are absolutely impossible powers or powers the are beyond impossible allowing for Omnipotence.Trey Davis (talk) 13:21, August 7, 2019 (UTC)

Also a power beyond a power a concept beyond a concept a power beyond everything that’s in complete arsenal to think that that can’t do whatever it wants without exception is just not think ping clearly sorry let’s talk about Minus the character to see what i’m talking about.

Nekron2 (talk) 14:47, August 7, 2019 (UTC)Create your totality, yeah sure, that's the most hilarious thing I've ever heard. I am not even going to address this as this is beyond stupid.

"Omnipotent Powers can do everything...." and "Point of Meta is..." This again? How many times do I have to tell you it means "everything except Omnipotence" and meta transcendence will erase itself out of existence no matter how or what it does?

I am ignoring all that imaginative power stuff as I said i will and getting straight into complete arsenal. You don't seem to understand what a limitation means do you? It means the things the power CANNOT do not "they can overcome this if they do this...". So, complete arsenal cannot become Omnipotent even with all the the beyond,beyond,beyond,beyond,beyond times beyond infinity powers that are specifically designed to create Omnipotence. So, no it cant. The limitations aren't there for a joke and cannot be overcome by any means in this case.Nekron2 (talk) 14:47, August 7, 2019 (UTC)