Well,At max potential telekinesis which becomes Omni Manipulation thus time manipulation is also included

And if It's not about absolute one the Time manipulation takes the place

I think a lot of applications that telekinesis has are bs and time is one of them. Like, for instance, biology manipulation. Just because you can move things inside your body doesn’t mean you can actually change your biology, it’s pretty ridiculous to whoever made that page lol. Time takes it 10/10.

So, Meta Time Manipulation versus Meta Matter Manipulation... I'd choose MTM if you don't mind me.

Your preference is one thing @Clara Sirius but do you genuinely believe a time manipulator loses to a telekinetic (both on equal levels)?

@Tiimmeeey

I agree with you partly especially when it comes to Biological Manipulation but not with Time. I mean if you can control Tachyons you can basically control time & I feel like Max potential Telekinesis could manipulate all particles including Tachyons

Well does the movement of tachyons alter time? Because most people think TK can fully manipulate everything when in reality it can only psionically move it, which are two fundamentally different things. If it comes down to properties of tachyons, then I disagree that TK can manipulate them to the point of manipulating time.

And besides, even if it were the case that a TK user can alter time due to tachyons, it’s an indirect way of doing it. Indirect ways of manipulating something are always inferior to the actual way of doing it. Mind you, this is a way to affect time in its “simplest” form, whereas a beefed up time manipulator in his strongest form, is a meta time manipulator, which I just heavily doubt a TK user could both achieve and beat.

It’s a fact that Tachyons would allow for Time Manipulation. And even if TK doesn’t have all the applications of TM it should be able to create a barrier/field that makes it impossible or really difficult for someone to alter time in your vicinity

Right, so at that point it would be a battle between a Time Manipulation user (as tachyons would be limited to manipulating time in its rawest and simplest form) and a Meta Time Manipulation user, the highest level of manipulation for time. So it’s like putting Omnipotence (Meta Time) vs. really anything else within the field of time only, it is won by the Meta Time Manipulator. Being at such level, he’d be able to break any rules that any other time manipulator bestows upon themselves, he goes beyond any logic time has, whereas the TK user is limited to things such as moving time and stopping it. The meta time manipulator also has precognition, a flawless one at that, and can easily predict at a Meta level, anything the TK user can do. There’s 0% chance without plot armor that the TK user even with its ridiculous and non-believable applications stated in the wiki.

Isnt telekinesis simply just matter manipulation, only with the mind? I'd personally pick Telekinesis at its very peak.