Both chaos king and the griever are threats to their multiverse ,both are infinitesimal aspects of oblivion and both are described as entropy personified and the inevitable end of all things . It can't get more obvious than that . What you sent me didn't necessarily prove that Franklin Richards was a threat, implications don't count unless it's already confirmed . Remember that it's in Oblivions nature to desire the end of all things . The only reason she waited is because she knew franklin's power would run out eventually ,making it easier to end everything. If someone's going around making universes it would be like someone's making a mess as you clean up. In this case it's the griever who's trying to clean the mess . Do you understand?. Yes Franklin has bested the celestials but he's just a mortal with godlike powers . Franklin may outlast everything but he's just as finite as everything else while oblivion will remain long after the whole marvel multiverse had ended . The only way Franklin would even stand a chance against the griever would be if he has the ultimate nullifier with him and even then it doesn't guarantee she'll be truly gone because anything erased automatically goes to oblivion .

Are you guys now discussing something unrelated to the post?

Again, both being threats to the multiverse does not at all prove any scaling to each other since its like comparing a child to an adult. Both can easily kill an ant, but that doesn't mean there are same footing unless you have scaling or feats getting him there doesn't matter how similar they may seem. Also, the whole second part of your refutation is assumption with no proof( you did not send any scans to back it up so its a 50/50 equation interpretation so your argument doesn't go through) Regardless the franklin that was one shot was weaked meaning that She doesn't scale off him. She had to wait for Franklin to lose his powers, and she also called it his "reign," which can be defined as possessing or exercising sovereign power, in this case being the multiverse. Also stop down playing him to a "mortal" that doesn't weaken him at all he still has the scaleing to win.

At this point I would agree its unrelated to the post due to him no longer arguing for GOLB rather than the griever.

Yeah XD

Again ,Implications can be taken any way. It's like implying that Galactus is omnipotent just because he can alter the laws of physics when he doesn't know everything and he has an end just like mortals do . It's all about the context of the situation , Franklin lost his power to create universes so of course the griever would strike. . It's all about Oblivion's goal of making wiping out everything easier. If you think Franklin could defeat the griever that's where you're wrong. It would be like expecting a toddler to fight a hurricane . Franklin is a "mortal" in the same way zeus and all the other so called Gods of the setting are mortal. They can still die in particular circumstances and they aren't so special in the grand scheme of things. Even tho Franklin was "weakened" his power level was still off the charts ,it may not be impressive but you seriously think he can face the personification of chaos itself and win ? The Scaling doesn't truly matter when the rules of each verse are different dude . GOLB predates time , existence and even nothingness . He existed before even the universe when there were only monsters . Ice King's Crown was unable to remove golb from Ooo or cause it to 'disappear', meaning that golb is resistant to or outright immune to reality warping because he's a personification of chaos . According to vs wiki Franklin Richards doesn't have the power to manipulate concepts . So that means he can't truly kill GOLB or even destroy it . Remember it's not about the power level it's about the capabilities of the user. For Example If you had the power to destroy planets to try and kill a ghost you wouldn't succeed and not only that the ghost would possess you and make you kill yourself with your own power . You see what I'm saying ? GOLB is superior to Darren the ancient sleeper who can affect all realities ,which are all infinite . Golb is nigh-omnipresent ,he exists in every crevice where chaos lurks. What I'm trying to say is what advantage does Franklin have against GOLB ? Also don't put words in my mouth , I'm still arguing for the sake of golb but in my own way .

Also, its quite a hassle to read A Huge paragraph Can You Try To Format It Into Bullet Points lol

Guys guys I moved on from this match up a long time ago. Even though I tend to disagree since feats aren't always needed I will have to say I already remove Golb not because I think he loses but because I don't want to deal with a matchup that is complicated as this ever again.

Nah dude I like my paragraphs and that ain't gonna change anytime soon . Once again you are putting words in my mouth ,I am still arguing for golb . Me supporting the griever is helping to support my case for golb since it proves that Franklin can't best an embodiment of a abstract concept. If vs battles wiki doesn't count then this whole argument of scaling is pointless. Also stop wanking Franklin too hard with all these implications and outliers , most of this "evidence" you sent me is just taken out of context or outliers lol but nice try fanboy. At the end of the day Golb wins and Franklin becomes a Tetris block . Better luck next time .