Oh, yeah I forgot about that

@Prism Perfected form. I agree with you, that's what I was trying to say, powers that need input wouldn't automatically give the user defence or itself defence, the ability is all powerful only in that it allows one to do anything and everything but not omnipotent in being.

@Ogtea depends on the will of the user. Even if ultimate power is used consciously, would it always be good? Don't think about morality in this context, as whatever effect occurs is simply the will of the all-powerful.

@WhoswhoIsItYou? Yes that's what I'm trying to say, like @Prism Perfected form. said and you said, they could be all powerful but need steps yet, so I'm asking for those type of powers, wouldn't their weakness be that the entity I mentioned could just deal with them?

@WhoswhoIsItYou? I didn't mean it in a moral way, I meant if the power acts independently to bring them back based on instinct and emotion or without the user being able to decide on an input, wouldn't that mean the power could just whatever it wants? By bad I meant negatively affect you.

@Ogtea they already transcend everything through their power. The difference with absolute wish is that it needs to take steps, that's why it's considered either nigh-omnipotent or omnipotent. With something like arcanepotence, you are all-powerful, in this case by way of magic. You are above all other lesser powers, and an incomprehensible being. I don't know how much I can overstate this, but they are omnipotent, not on their way to being omnipotent, they are omnipotent. Beyond anything and everything. A cosmic being isn't getting to them before their all-powerful enough to protect themselves, when they are already all-powerful and untouchable.

And again, the power isn't acting on its own, it's acting in accordance, and through, the user's own will.

@WhoswhoIsItYou? I see I'll change my example of the power then.

@Ogtea I believe so. Imagine that you get pissed at someone and want them to die. Arcanepotence activates due to your anger and erases them from existence. Now you feel regret because you didn't actually want them to die since you were just mad at them.

If it's still purely an omnipotence derivative, and not split with being a 'nigh-omnipotent' derivative, than it still applies.

I would partially agree with you @Ogtea, I think for reasons that have already been discussed.

This is why I generally prefer powers with inherent passive aspects to them over purely active ones; if you have a purely active power, then if you get erased/killed/controlled/etc, or your power gets erased or otherwise removed before you can give yourself passive defenses, then that's that. This would be powers like Omni-Manipulation and Absolute Wish, since "The power to manipulate absolutely everything" and "The power to make absolute wishes" both involve active actions ('manipulating' and 'making'). The only real counter I can think of for this is if we argue that omnipotence derivatives operate on a level superior to even absolute powers, such that even purely active ones cannot be removed/modified/etc by anything other than the power itself (or omnipotence). But taking these powers purely as they are on their pages, it should be entirely possible for them to be removed, or for the user to be killed/erased/controlled/etc, before they can actually be used.

On the other hand, if you have a power of this level with an inherent passive aspect, this becomes far less likely, if not outright impossible, since the power does not revolve entirely around active use. This would be powers like Arcanepotence, Scientiapotence, Absolute Freedom, etc.

Arcanepotence and Scientiapotence are "The state of being omnipotent over magic" and "The state of being omnipotent over science", respectively; these are states of being, rather than involving active actions. In this sense, trying to remove Arcanepotence or Scientiapotence from its user would be akin to trying to remove "The state of being supremely almighty and all-powerful" from an Omnipotent being, and trying to erase/kill the user likely wouldn't work either because, just as an Omnipotent being could trivially restore themselves from nonexistence or death, so too could a user of Arcanepotence or Scientiapotence. They would just do so via magic/science. Similarly, Absolute Freedom is "The state of being liberated", taken to the scale of an omnipotent being, so the same kind of logic applies. Nothing can remove their power or kill/erase them because they are inherently liberated from that influence. Even if they are killed or erased they can just come back because they are liberated from death/nonexistence, as well as the logic that would say a dead or nonexistent being can't act.