@Abdalla1234 This is the point, infinite about infinity, and infinite versus infinity. One that can always determine new infinite, and another that can overcome new infinities, who surpasses who? Soon we are appealing to the Self-Reference ENGINE.

This is what is in the Ruphas Wiki, at the end.

• Law Manipulation: Ruphas can rewrite the common sense of the universe, apply new laws at her convenience, and forcefully push reason aside.

• Concept Manipulation: Gods create, overwrite and can destroy concepts on a whim.

• Plot Manipulation: Like Alovenus, Ruphas has the ability to manipulate the entire world according to scenarios she wants. Her power is infinite as she can overlay settings over pre-existing settings. For example, if someone somehow acquired unusual abilities and powers in order to defeat her. Then, she can simply resolve that by saying their unusual power won’t work on her, and she can still defeat them with one finger. Even if someone has infinite speed she will just say infinite speed before her is nothing more than one, and she is one hundred times faster. If someone has infinite power, she’ll just say even that infinity is just one, there is always another infinity beyond. If they go beyond that, she’ll simply say that there’s even more beyond. If they say that they’ll become infinitely stronger and stronger, she can simply make herself become infinitely stronger, but at a rate one thousand times faster than them.

Ruphas Mafahl w/Star of Eden

The downstreamers

@Animus infinitus That's what I am saying! The description of the power just charms you and is so convincing

Cardinal number alterady trascend infinity because and so other no matter how much trascension u do if u fight sameone at aleph u are dead because aleph is literally omnipotence is math and aleph-1 / 2 / w are better and so on

In math structure u can do impulation more and more

Thats the problem if u know a little of math u can literally create a character where no matter how other trascend they are only lesser then him

Indeed, the combination of Downstreamers with Metareality Engineering was very broken, I didn't expect it to have so many votes fired from the rest, fortunately I didn't put the Self-Reference ENGINE.

@Abdalla1234 The Self-Reference ENGINE is really very very broken. It's so overpower that I can neither explain how broken it is, nor do I understand totally right, but think that this is what we are talking about infinity, but far beyond.

Much more then infinity image infinity things and then infinity things in infinite groups of things and thats only a level and there is a level where exist infinite things of this group and this goes on

After this infine group who contain infinite group with other infinite group exist anything more with that infinity and idk it become too much complicated and abstract but literally if u are not omnipotent then u are nearly to it (maybe because some math explanation give omnipotence, in this case u are omnipotent and more )

Also this is real infinity this means u use infinity and then another infinity appear and u can do this infinite time for highter group of infinity

Just think u become something like TOAA

@Animus infinitus that broken?! Damn!