Absolute Immortality

So I've been trying to make the difference between absolute immortality and eternal existence and I can find anything different about them , they both allow the user to live forever and are beyond life and death so what makes them so different from one another ?

With an Almighty power, you cannot be beaten, and you have the following:

You have the Almighty title: The Creator

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You have the power of Omnipotence meaning you can do absolutely everything.

You are given with an Omniscient knowledge meaning you know what to do without thinking the impossible.

You are absolutely everywhere with the given power of Omnipresence meaning you are absolutely everywhere, you are in the before the nothingness, you are there before the before, you are in the past, present and in the absolute future.

Today let us suppose you are the Supreme Being of your Omniverse! You may be the single creator and ruler of your own world and posses unquestionable authority and power over it or share supremacy with your dark twin. You can go with any abilies you'd want from casual Reality Warping to particularly infinite Omnipotence, Metapotence and Complete Arsenal.

What powers you have as a Monotheistic Deity? Describe in detail your tools, so we could understand it finely. You can choose anything you want, even True Omnipotence itself if you want!

How would you create your world, how vast is it (single universe, multiverse, megaverse, ... Infinite Omniverse), how would you do it? Describe your vision of how the totality of creation started and how you set all of this in motion!

What rules, laws and design you'd create your world with? Maybe, there's something you won't approve by any means and you forbid it for the whole eternity? Describe the ultimate pataphysics behind everything!

What lifeforms your world is filled with? How did they originate: they were supernaturally created by your providence or evolved naturally? Who are those beings: angels, demons, genies, dragons, humans, cosmic beings, transcendent beings, abstract entities or anything else? Do you reveal yourself yo them? If yes, how do they relate to you? How do you relate to your creation?

And finally...

How would you spend your eternal Monotheistic Godhood? Maybe, you'll constantly create and conceptualise new things to add them into your world via Primordial Force Manipulation and regeneratively end existence with Apocalyptic Force Manipulation to re-begin it again completely new and hollow? Or you'd preserve your world for the whole eternity and become its keystone? Probably, you'd like to share your possibilities and gifts with your creations and become their heavenly parent and generous source of any goodness? Describe yourself as Supreme Being and represent your best vision of yourself!

Who would be your allies for the whole Eternity? Who will be lucky enough to spend your Godhood alone with you and represent the image of your eternity? Would that be Primordial Gods, certain transcendent beings or anyone else? Would they attain the gift of Absolute Immortality, Absolute Reincarnation or Eternal Existence? Maybe, some of them would transcend their limitations forever and eternally to become closer to you in godly relationships? Or you don't want undying campaigns and would constantly switch them?

Note: don't create utopian world, it's boring and not generally creative. Unless it's part of something even greater and plays its role in your greatest scheme, I don't recommend you to choose this boring option.

Additionally, I would like to invite our special guest, legendary @DYBAD to participate our discussion. We'll share different ideas for Supreme Being writing and possibilities of creation of everything and what Monotheistic Godhood would be. We'd love to hear your opinions! Thank all of You for participating! Feel free to use any of these ideas I found here in your worldbuilding and character writings!

Can Oblivion (Marvel Comics) erase himself? He's stated to be both eternal and indestructible as well as able to erase anything without limit. So, can he end himself with his Nonexistence or is he immune?

So the story takes place in alternate universe where this version of Frankenstein has perfected the making of the perfect lifeform, but due to the endless amounts of immoral experiments it turns into a homicidal maniac and has a twisted smile .This being was never given a name but has uncharged regeneration and due to him being a soulless being he has the freedom to do whatever he wants without any deity telling what to do .

So the powers I'm thinking about are : absolute immortality and freedom, and has some sub powers like super strength,speed, indurance, energy absorption, etc. But what do you think, what should I change and improve upon .

Resistance between absolute powers is a remarkable process in the history of this wiki. If we scroll to the comments to great famous powers like Absolute Immortality, Absolute Destruction, Nonexistence and Omnilock; we could find hot discussions on various VS Battle scenarios participating people like Nekron and SageM especially. The history of opposition of the utter ones is a whole reason to read comments alone.

Not so recently, the ones who sit above in shadows made a decision that all absolute powers are now equal. That means no absolute ability like Absolute Attack can't overpower another power of its kind like Absolute Defence. The justification is AD protects from all attacks and if it was bypassed, it means it wasn't absolute to begin with, same goes for AA. Ultimately, True Omnipotence and its variations are now the only limitations of all absolute powers.

Essentially, this new change makes a lot of sense. I remember those discussions weather Absolute Destruction, the power to destroy anything, is capable enough to end Absolute Immortality, the power to be eternal and indestructible. It has been bothering me that capabilities of AI aren't that mighty and completed if AD exists. It's pretty logical: if you can destroy anything, this means there's nothing that can't be destroyed, which makes AI impossible. Because if it is, there's something entirely indestructable, which denies AD's absolute capabilities. For the same reason any pairs of absolute powers can't exist together.

This change makes a lot of sense, yet it makes me kinda sad. Because that means we can no longer use opposing absolute powers in the same story. This is frustrating truth: if you are eternal, there's something you can't destroy, namely you; and if you can restore anything back to its original state, there is nothing irreversible. Nonexistence, Absolute Immortality, Absolute Invulnerability, Absolute Destruction, Absolute Restoration, Universal Irreversibility... Those abilities are so fine, yet completely incompatible! The beauty of opposition is so poetic, yet utterly impossible.

Nonetheless, although this is a great way to end all discussions, this rule doesn't avoid possibility of absolute opposition completely. There are some issues with powers that must include absolute opposition within it, such as Complete Arsenal. Users of CA have all abilities, including Absolute Restoration and Universal Irreversibility. While according to the new rule, it's impossible for UI to co-exist together with AR, Complete Arsenal becomes utterly impossible to have. Sure, we can exclude those opposing powers and grant just one side, yet Power Legion would not be complete anymore. For the same reason, Meta Ability Creation is no longer that powerful since if there's an eternal being out there, it just can't create Nonexistence, for instance. Additionally, this makes Meta Power Opposition kinda useless since it's designed to oppose any power.

Same issue goes for Absolute Wish. Users could simply wish, for instance, for Absolute Immortality and they would become so. Yet if they lived for a while and thought they don't want to exist in any point, would it be able to wish for personal nonexistence? We see, with endless possibilities AW offers, it's neither above other absolute powers or can't grant them, just nigh-absolute versions. When you are a user of Absolute Immortality, according to the new rule, Omnipotence is the only power capable to kill you, yet if Absolute Wish can't, it isn't absolute anymore. In this specific case, we can't simply say those are incompatible abilities since AW can wish for AI.

So, we have two conclusions:

1) Absolute Wish must be above other absolute powers and be its exceptions

2) Absolute Wish is utterly impossible by its own

Same goes for other powers that include absolute opposition like Absolute Counter/Combat, Meta Miracle Manipulation, Meta Probability Manipulation, Absolute Law Manipulation and others.

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In this light, we see absolute powers can't exist together anymore. Yet if we, authors, see incredible beauty in one absolute as well as its opposite, is there anything we could do? I have already talked with Nekron about this and pointed out some problems but he intended this is impossible. Nonetheless, I have created a system that allows you to combine opposing absolutes within one story while not violating its total nature.

So, I came to this idea while reading Highschool DxD wiki, the article about Balance Breaker. That time I was already thinking about how to resolve this dilemma and this name, Balance Breaker, was the key I was looking for.

My concept is that while you cannot maintain absolute opposition simultaneously, you can constantly shift from sides to sides. That means all characters with absolute powers should posses some kind of ability/item/ger that is able to break balance between opposing forces and scale one side above another one and manifesting absolute powers through this. My concept is that Balance Breaker can break balance (and therefore manifest absolute powers) for limited amount of time, so if your character has Absolute Defence, it's still possible to attack him while BB is off. This way, you can have opposing absolutes but not at the same time, avoiding their conflicts. This way, you can't directly make Absolute vs Absolute but you can change your sides from one absolute to another one, representing both of them.

Nonetheless, this concept has some issues. This only is about active abilities but what about those whose effects are dedicated to be permanent? For instance, Absolute Immortality. According to my concept, all users are basically casually or nigh-absolutely immortal and they can tap into AI via breaking balance. Nevertheless, at this point, the whole fight between users of opposing absolutes now goes for changing the side but if you changed the side for Nonexistence, for example, then it means your immortality wasn't originally absolute even despite breaking balance because it can be restored and therefore loose one's absolute power. Same goes for Universal Irreversibility: if balance was changed to the Absolute Restoration side, all effects of UI can be outdone, which means they weren't irreversible at the first place.

So, we see Balance Breaker only works for those powers that can be loosed or deactivated but it lacks in case if effects of absolute power should be permanent. In order to resolve this task, in order for AI to be Indeed absolute, BB must cause permanent breaking of balance which cannot be restored or otherwise be changed to another side. In this case, absolute power would indeed be permanent and total, although it negates the possibility of Nonexistence to come in.

That's why, in order to make another absolute power possible, I am going to cheat. I call True Omnipotence. My answer is that Omnipotence as the sole limitation of all absolute powers, can change the balance, effectively not making this power absolute. The same way if user of Absolute Immortality dies because it was Omnipotence that killed it, we still qualify this immortality was absolute; Omnipotence is able to change this balance. At this point, balance can be changed to the side of Absolute Destruction and users of Absolute Immortality would loose their unkillability but it was still absolute, since it was Omnipotence that changed it. We can even go on and make some power/item/ger that is powered by Omnipotence to change the balance, so the characters would do so without the omnipotent required to do anything. This makes absolute powers kinda relative but no one is going to defy the fact Omnipotence can do this.

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In conclusion, I'd want to ask dear @DYBAD @Necrotifice @Nekron2 @Omuni @Soft Derivations @Themannamedjeffery420 @CrystalStorm51 @Holokami to consider my concept and review the issues of the powers that include absolute oppositions like Absolute Wish. Essentially, I suggest to make a universal limitation for all non-prrnament absolute powers that they can be temporal and update the rules that absolute opposition can occur in this way I described here. For everyone else, feel free to use this system in your compositions to present absolute opposition and find completeness in your broken balance.

I wonder how would you live knowing you are eternal and indestructable? What would you think about your immortality and how would you spend your eternity? If you would like the possibility to die in dome cases, you can go with Nigh-Absolute or even casual Immortality.

Perfection is the power that fascinates me in a great way. Although I know about it for really long time, I'd like to discuss all aspects of being flawless and what a perfect being would be as well as ask you several tickling questions about it.

So, in my opinion, Perfect would have these applications:

• Absolute Condition (physical and mental perfection)

• Omnicompetence (perfect competence)

• Spiritual, Existinall Perfection (other forms)

• Superpower Evolution: when a perfect being obtains inner ability, Perfection enforces it to be flawless as well

Now question about life: can protect being be killed? Is it considered as a flaw? If this is true, Protection would inherently include Absolute Immortality, which is pretty overpowered power for my standards.

How do you think? Must perfect being be necessarily absolutely immortal? Do you know any other forms of Perfection I haven't listed?

I think I start to love this power more and more... It fascinates me in a major way. I am not alone as there's are lots of others who meld from its elegance, beauty and sheer potential.

I have created my character named Elizabeth who is an absolutely immortal human. She wasn't born so, though, and was bestowed with this later in her life. What I wonder about is what would you do if you were absolutely immortal? Imagine you can survive any thread, your health is unbreakable, you have unlimited reserves of life-force, you have no needs but you still can eat, drink, sleep and breath if you want, and you regenerate any damage on metaphysical level. You aren't absolutely invulnerable but your regeneration compensates that.

Additionally to that, you have absolute potential to learn anything (Absolute Potential) and you can evolve endlessly throughout your endless life. How would you spend your life? What would you do, how would your opinions change? How would you make your life interesting so you don't want to die? Leave your thoughts in the comments!

Hello, it's me. I hope you celebrated Christmas well. There are at least 2 more great holidays ahead but before let's think about AI and MR.

I wondered what kind of weaknesses these abilities have compared to Absolute Immortality. It's clear Absolute Immortality is way stronger than Absolute Invulnerability or Regeneration but it turned out they share just one weakness: Absolute Death Manipulation. I mean, is this the only difference? Because it seems to me these powers must be vulnerable for death which wasn't caused by damage. For instance, user of Meta Regeneration may have some needs such as drinking or eating. If they don't satisfy them for long time, they would die. In this case, I don't see how MR can help because it regenerates any damage but death due not eating isn't that kind of damage, right?

For some reason, @SageM thinks dissatisfaction of needs also counts as damage. At this point, why aging (which is said to be a weakness of this power) doesn't count because aging is caused by shortening telomeres? Why isn't this considered as damage Absolute Invulnerability would be completely immune to?

In my opinion, while AI and MR protect its user from any form of damage, they don't immortalise them as there can be ways to kill something without dealing damage such as dissatisfaction of needs, Death-Force, Deactivation, negation of life, maybe even casual Death Inducement or Probability Manipulation. After all, I think Absolute Death Manipulation isn't truly the only gap between these abilies and Absolute Immortality.

So, in the Absolute Restoration page's comments I've seen people claiming that if absolute immortal attained their immortality and wasn't born with it, then AR can restore it back and thus destroying its immortality.

Is it really so? If absolute immortal became so by some means and was mortal before, can Absolute Restoration restore user back to its original mortal state?

Recently, I challenged myself to construct my own divine race of godly creatures. They are race of ultimate beings and they are the closest to the omnipotent. In whole Omniverse, there is just one deity per number of atoms within our observating universe. Imagine every atoms in distance of 45 billion of light years is a single soul, then in this sphere there will be only one god. They are the race if ultimate lifeforms and exist on the level near the omnipotent. They are perfect, nigh omnipotent and... immortal.

What I think is some gods may be transcendent over life and death, some may be mortal in means they reincarnate (and possibly can incarnate along with some other soul, thus making Divine Reincarnation possible) and some of them are immortal in sense they don't change form. There is one high rank of gods who possess Absolute Immortality or Eternal Existence. There are immortal deities even lower those ones but I don't have much ideas what ot would be.

I seek ideas for Immortality for aetheric being that isn't absolute but close enough to it, so it would be possible to kill user but extremely hard. One of the ideas I have is Total Immortality: user is immune to all possible ways to die in general but it is still possible to murder it via some almighty powers. For example, such Immortals would be immune to Death Inducement but not to Absolute Death Inducement. Or they can't die due poison but absolute poisoning can make unwanted problems. What I mean is being immortal to all possible ways to die but not to its absolute versions leaving them the only thing that can kill Immortals of this kind.

What other ideas do you have?

So, it's me, TheLegend27! I took some break from powers for last days and now I am back with refreshed mind and new understanding how things work. Essentially, this is the way to Enlightenment: to observe and rest, afterwards observe again.

So, I've got some really brilliant ideas I'll share with you. In this wiki, it's common to find discussions questioning what absolute power is stronger. For instance, I asked if almighty laws can kill an absolutely immortal being myself a little time ago. In this post, I am going to end this once and for all.

The question of absolute powers result easily when we define what we mean by it. So, there's two main ideas what absolute means and all of those questions come as misunderstanding between them.

The first definition, which is mainly used in this wiki, says absolute is peak. That means there's no stronger version of this power as it is already on the very top. If you make something more powerful than absolute, then it wasn't absolute at the first place because absolute cannot be topped since it is the top itself. For example, Absolute Invulnerability is the ability to be completely immune to any kind of damage. Since this power is absolute, that means there's no Invulnerability that is more invulnerable than this one. You may imagine there are different levels Invulnerability and absolute by its definition is always the top and there's no ability more powerful than its absolute version.

When we define absolute as peak, then all questions shatter and incarnate itself. Because there's peak Invulnerability which cannot be anyway updated, that doesn't mean there can't be peak Attack that can damage user after all. Since both powers are peak, they may overpower each other. That's the reason why absolute powers can counter each other and why any absolute power can bypass another one. That's why to all questions which absolute power is stronger the answer is always undetermined.

Nonetheless, it's important to note it is possible to overcome absolutes. Let's suppose we have a running competition between two runners. Competitor A possesses Absolute Speed, which is the peak speed power and there's no speed faster than it which results that no matter what power his opponent has, he won't be able to beat him, right? That's how absolute powers work? No. The thing is there is Omnipotence (yeah, I know. I simply can't write a message without referring to Omnipotence). So, can Omnipotence run faster than absolute? Since Omnipotence can do anything, that means it can. Therefore, we attain speed faster than the top speed. How is that possible? If you can run faster than absolute speed, doesn't that mean A's speed was never absolute at this point?

Factually, since absolute means “peak”, then it's specifically fixed point we can describe. It's like we can update some stats until we reach the point when we could add no more updates. That's absolute. In fact, it is a boundary for speed. But since Omnipotence can do anything, they are able to surpass any limitation. This aspect is known as Indeterminacy and if runner B has it, he would win A despite having Absolute Speed. Irrational Indeterminacy is going beyond absolute.

The second definition of absolute that users often confuse states absolute is the state opposite to relative. Let's take look at Immortality: a mortal person was stabbed and died and an immortal one was stabbed by Mortal Blade and died. What was the sense of this kind of Immortality if they both have died after all?

This way, we conclude this Immortality which was negated was relative. The immortal was relatively immortal and therefore could be killed. Essentially, if we understand by absolute as total supremacy, that means two opposing absolute powers cannot co-exist together along. If by Absolute Immortality we mean the life that cannot be ended by any means, then not only Absolute Death Inducement cannot exist but Meta Power Opposition and even Omnipotence is no longer there. Because if absolute immortality can be opposed (MPO) or killed (Omnipotence), then it was relative. In this sense, any absolute power would be a specialised version of Omnipotence itself and not only that, its opposite couldn't be there because two absolutes just cancel each other out.

So, the only true absolute power is Omnipotence because there's no way this power couldn't work at some case rendering it relative at some point. This way, this wiki functions with the first definition and it was officially confirmed by Nekron. So, if you question yourself which absolute power is stronger, then know opposing absolutes may overpower each other. That may express as one is naturally more powerful than the other one (ex.: Absolute Immortality vs ADI), undetermined (Absolute Attack vs Absolute Defence) or one absolute may overpower another one by some circumstances or by your will as the author. That means there is no final answer and nobody can truly tell you how their conflict would end. Since absolutes are specific points, some absolute may be more powerful than the other and two equal powers (absolutes are measurable), then they may overpower each other. That's my final and ultimate explaination and by it I proclaim:

If there are two absolute abilities that confronts each other, they both can be victorious and results become independent from sheer force along.

You can use this statement as making a draw, win by extra factors or define result specifically for each time depending on your intentions as the author.

So, I created an absolutely immortal human character that got Absolute Immortality by mysterious means. She's regenerative type meaning she posses Absolute Regeneration instead of Absolute Invulnerability.

So, my question is can almighty laws kill absolute immortal? Because Absolute Immortality has Absolute Survivability as an application and that means they can survive when it shouldn't even be possible. If existence of absolute immortal is impossible by almighty laws, would they still survive this? Can Almighty Law Creation even result into a possibility to kill it? If no, that means Absolute Immortality has self-Abolishment.

Basically when inside your own universe you gain Universal Manipulation and Absolute Immortality. You only posses those powers when within your universe and not other universes(If you were somehow were to create a way to travel universes). Besides that the world is your oyster, you can do whatever you want.