Absolute Transcendence

Give me the best or obvious ways of powers that would discard someone humanity or individuality.

And I am not hearing out anyone whenever about they say the power can retain their personality.

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I asked this before but I think I failed to get me point across properly. I was asking, if a transcendent entity transcends consciousness should it not lack the attribute of consciousness altogether ? Think of it like this, we have a transcendent entity that transcends space-time, like say Plato's realm of forms/ concepts in that they lack and don't exist within space-time due to transceding it. So now if our transcendent entity transcended more stuff with consciousness being one of them, should it not be the same? It lacks the attribute of consciousness etc. And one argument I think people will use is, if it transcends logic than it can transcend consciousness and have it, but let's leave that argument for this question because then we could also apply it for things this entity transcends and it's like it's selective. Also what I'm referring to is also not some higher form of cognitive function or level, but beyond that entirely, I am not referring to a supreme state of the mind or mental being since that would consciousness and so would not be transceded, it's kind of like saying an entity transcends space-time when it just exists in infinite dimensions or possess some form of supreme space-time in this case we wouldn't say it transcends space-time right, or atleast in the definition of transcendence we're using here, which is a qaulitative transcendence. So my question here is should it not be realistically transceded? If not, why not other things too? Why would consciousness not simply be transcended like all other things if we thought about it logically with no bias or beliefs?

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Won't ultimate madoka/the law of cycles be considered an user of origin manipulation or absolute transcendence?

The anime states that her life no longer has a beginning or end anymore and according to magia record she seemingly exists above everything in her own verse

So regarding could Conceptual Lordship be a pair to Absolute Transcendence, now this seem a little bit weird for me. Since if Conceptual Lordship did indeed achieve Absolute Transcendence, wouldn't they practically in a sense alter their capabilities of having absolute control over all concepts.?

Since as far as I know Absolute Transcendence transcend absolutely everything which includes totality. Meaning they would inherently transcend all kind of Concepts including Meta-Concepts and beyond that.

Now what would that correlates to Conceptual Lordship? It's a bit off to me. Because absolute Transcendence also transcend itself so if Conceptual Lordship have this... Wouldn't they technically transcend their Conceptual Lordship aswell? Or specifically their authority over All Concepts?

If so this would raise some Questions of Absolute affecting other Absolutes. Can this possibly lead to some contradictions and paradox?

Now I understand other absolute powers being a pair to Conceptual Lordship... However It seem that Absolute Transcendence is the odd one here for me personally.

(I feel like my statements is incomplete or is lacking something but am so confuse)

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Now we know Absolute Transcendence transcend Absolutely everything, which would naturally include their desires...

Am question is how would they transcend their desires, would they transcend their desires and realizing that everything you desires of is meaningless.

Or would Absolute Transcendence their desires completely? Like let's say your desire is to build your own paradise, but Absolute Transcendence have already transcended that.

However the difference between this and above is in this scenario absolute Transcendence would have, go beyond the concept of desires and the meaning behind it.

What I mean is if your desires Is building a paradise, you would need to know all the actions, reasons, needs, to be done. However if Absolute Transcendence transcend that, would they transcend everything associated with that specific desires?

Like would they have already transcended all actions, reasons, and needs, that require to achieve that desires. In a alternate timeline where you did achieved that but with Absolute Transcendence transcending that desires, it would naturally include that timeline, possibility, and outcome thus becoming beyond that desires.

(I feel like this is incomplete)

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What even the difference between Indeterminacy and Transcendence... I mean from both concept they seem to operate the same thing... And that is being beyond or surpassing things.

I just don't see the difference between them..

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Wait... Did the Absolute Transcendence just got updated sue to the last discussion I make (the discussion about if it's possible to have a desire with Absolute Transcendence)...

Or it's merely just a coincidence? Am I high??

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Regarding Absolute Transcendence... Am curious can you even have a desire? I mean with how Absolute Transcendence works, it should impossible for itself to even have a desire after transcending everything.

And I think realistically it should be impossible to even limit yourself with this power on, since that is a desire, or wants. Now my question is can you remain "Yourself" after Transcending everything and anything?

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If we follow the idea that absolute transcendence is beyond all attributes, description, concepts etc, that means it should be beyond consciousness right? It is a bit hard to explain so please bare with me. People say their consciousness transcends into a boundless one or into a higher state of reality with absolute transcendence but that still means it possesses consciousness and so does not transcend it. Imagine an empty space, this space is conscious and when I say this I mean this space is the very attribute of consciousness itself, so imagine this space imagining absolute transcendence as it's space expanding infinitely and and exceeding into higher spatial dimensions, remember the space is the attribute of consciousness itself and vice versa, so it's view of maintaining it's consciousness and it's conscious becoming boundless is it's space expanding infinitely in volume and into higher dimensions or more.This space wishes for absolute transcendence and notices nothing's changed and when it wonders why, the reason it is given is that the transcendence it wished for is so absolute that it transcends space itself etc, it's a transcendence which lacks the attribute of space which is what conscious is, this shocks the conscious as without space it cannot be conscious since again it is space, essentially to lack space to it, is to lack itself which is consciousness. By the way this is not like having a metaphysical conscious, as that is like saying a spaceless space to the space. I'm not sure if that example was sufficient but moving on my point is, something like a boundless conscious is the same thing to the space(the consciousness in my example) like a boundless space continuum, which as we know something of absolute transcendence would transcend entirely not having space at all, so I'm putting this logic to consciousness too, it transcends the quality or attribute of consciousness entirely like it would space etc, it is not something we could apply to it at all. For absolute transcendence to possess conscious is like for something spaceless to possess space, even if that space is boundless in all spatial attributes, it is still space so something that transcends space cannot be said to have boundless space as that would mean it does not transcend space entirely and possesses it ( This is of course ignoring entities like yog-sothoth which both encompass and transcend space-time and everything else). Maybe we associate consciousness with transcendent entities for the same reason the space associated itself with absolute transcendence. Maybe it's our instincts and bias of self preservation,control etc kicking in and influencing our views and judgement on these things.

I still have many thoughts on this I want to express, but it looks to me that I am doing a terrible job if that, so i will try collecting all my thoughts and putting them properly into words, then if I see the need I will bring up the question again in a more proper way.

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So I've been thinking about Conceptual Lordship a lot recently, and I have some things I'd like to discuss and get other people's opinions on.

First off, does Conceptual Lordship, as well as Concept and Meta-Concept Manipulation, assume concepts like in Plato's 'Theory of Forms', in which concepts are independent, abstract, perfect and immutable existences that shape reality by way of all aspects of reality 'participating' in them (e.g., a red circle participates in the concepts of 'circle-ness' and 'red-ness', and altering either concept would change the red circle accordingly) or being imperfect reflections of them, and changing the concepts would fundamentally alter all participating aspects of reality. Or can it include abstract ideas partially or entirely formed by human (or other sapient) conceptualisation?

• For concepts in the sense of 'platonic forms', does this imply that concepts exist on a level of reality above baseline reality, but potentially below others? Or would they necessarily be beyond 'levels of reality' due to that very thing being a concept in and of itself? For that matter, what happens when you have concepts of things that are beyond conceptualisation (e.g., the concept of Absolute Transcendence)?

• If they do include concepts in the sense of abstract ideas in the human mind, what does manipulation of these concepts actually do? Concepts in this sense could probably be thought of as collections of abstract ideas created to encompass and represent an aspect of reality on a level abstracted from the actual nature of the aspect in order to make it easier to comprehend. On a base level, it seems like it would just be changing how humans conceive of the represented aspects of reality. So would these powers involve then forcing reality to reflect the alterations to the changed concept? Or does altering even a concept of this kind with one of these powers inherently involve altering everything the concept encompasses, even if the concept isn't the basis of everything it encompasses in the same way that a Platonic Form is?

I think that the idea of manifesting and infusing concepts is easier to consider, regardless of the specific nature of the concepts being used.

• For Platonic Form type concepts, infusing a concept into something would entail making the thing participate to a high degree in that form. Manifesting a concept would entail creating an imperfect reflection of the form (or, in the case of Conceptual Lordship, this could be creating a perfect reflection of the form) to have an affect on reality.

• For concepts as from the human mind, infusing a concept into something would be making the thing reflect attributes associated with the infused concept. Manifesting a concept would be creating something that matches the collective ideas of the manifested concept to a high degree.

• In both cases, the thing being infused with the concept is made to better reflect the ideal set out by the concept in question and the thing being manifested is created as a high-level reflection of the ideal, whether that be some external, perfect ideal or a collective mental ideal of the concept.

Creating a conceptual embodiment is a different matter entirely.

• For Platonic Form type concepts, this is relatively simple to think of. It is likely creating an entity (or converting an existing entity into one) that is unified, on some level, with the form in question. Low level embodiments might be barely unified with it at all, or may even just be participating in the form to a high degree, while higher level embodiments may be fully unified with the form (thus entailing full control over everything the form encompasses) or even encompassing the form entirely (thus being fully beyond it due to containing the entirety of it as an aspect, as opposed to the whole, of their being).

• For mental type concepts, this is a bit more difficult. I mean, similarly, this would most likely be creating an entity that is unified with the concept in question on some level, but what does that actually mean in this context? Do they just reflect the ideas behind the concept perfectly? Or is it more like since the concept is an construct created to categorise and encompass an aspect of reality on an abstract level to allow for comprehension of it, an embodiment of a given concept is an entity that fully represents this aspect of reality (as opposed to just the abstract notion of it) as a single entity and, even though the concept isn't actually the basis of it, therefore controls that aspect of reality? So for example, an embodiment of the concept of color wouldn't be just an entity that perfectly reflects what we conceive of as 'color', but rather an entity that represents everything the concept of 'color' is thought of as encompassing. In this way, every instance of color can be thought of as an aspect of this entity, and they would control every instance of color. This would also mean that changes in the concept of 'color' by humanity as a whole would affect what the entity actually encompasses. To be honest, I'm not entirely sure if I articulated this correctly, but oh well.

• Fundamentally, my question boils down to what being a conceptual embodiment actually means if concepts are thought of as mental ideals rather than external, abstract forms.

Finally, at least for now, we get to one more to do with Conceptual Lordship than anything else. In essence, this is considering how it deals (or doesn't) with things that transcend concepts in some way.

• Something that transcends concepts should be impossible to affect with concepts. Does this mean that they transcend everything a given concept encompasses? It would seem so, though that puts Conceptual Transcendence at risk of being practically identical to Absolute Transcendence, since they should transcend the concept of 'totality'. Not sure how this works. Any thoughts?

• Despite this, Conceptual Lordship is an absolute power, so it should be capable of taking concepts and manifesting them at an absolute level (e.g., manifesting the concept of 'death' at an absolute level would result in Absolute Death Inducement), which could possibly apply to a Conceptually Transcendent entity? This seems a lot like comparing absolutes.

• On a different side of things, let's take Absolute Transcendence. It is obviously transcendent of concepts and thus is in no way beholden to the concept of 'Absolute Transcendence'. However, if Conceptual Lordship were to infuse or manifest this concept into itself, or just make itself an absolute-level embodiment of the concept, would it achieve Absolute Transcendence? I personally think probably yes, but I'd like to see what everyone else thinks. The idea of using a concept to go beyond concepts does seem a bit odd, but I suppose this is Conceptual Lordship.

Oh, and do you think Conceptual Lordship should be considered a Form/Expression of Omnipotence, as it is currently?

So yeah, I think that's everything for now. What do you think?

Which Absolute or Omnipotent powers are inherently terrifying or can easily be made to be as such?

Could Eternal Transcendence ever reach Absolute Transcendence? How horrifying would it be to not stop transcending or be above totality?