So while making a character, I noticed that while staring at the magic variants, Meta-Magic caught my eye the most. It seemed like the coolest imo. But then I took a step foward. What would be the Psionic and the Scientififc(technological?) Variations of these? It truly had me stomped. Even when asking on the online chat, no one knew either :o So I wanted to ask you, the public community what it could or what it truly is. And if there are none..Why haven't we made one yet..?
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Woo! (✿◠‿◠)
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Actually, Im pretty sure metapotence is just the absolute version of metaphysics manipulation, similar to absolute magic and psychopotence ^^;
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Alrighty~ Thou shall resume our chill debate late. Till then I'll try making that power.. *cri cri*
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Lets just calm down a little. It was a small discussion that turned heated very quickly. Lets just calm down, and go back to being mature internet people discussing plausibly powers that don't even exist okay :)?
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^ Hey Hey! Come on now guys. Your better then this. No need at all to disrespect each other. And SageM, They also have a point. They are simply giving their opinion on the power and discussing it, no need to feel disrespected for them doing so.
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@SageM False.
- [2]Deviljinyes
So it's not actually having all powers?
- [3]BraveHeart70 reply to #15Imouto-tan wrote:
I would say so. At least, it's the only power that has it's number.
- [4]HSuperLee
Actually, even complete arsenal is a subpower of omnipotence, not the other way around. I get the logic that definition manipulation would be able to change the defnition of omnipotence, but the problem with that idea is the logic. Omnipotence is us at the wiki admiting, this is the power that we don't get, we have no way to understand or explain how it works, only the consequences of it, which include, "The user can achieve absolutely anything without any limit or condition, including the conceptually impossible, like "bigger than infinity." and, "Its one and only wielder (there can be only one in each fictional continuity, hence the "Above All") is fundamentally invincible, completely immune to all other powers, and able to defeat the combined might of all Creation and its mightiest beings just by wanting it, without the slightest effort." Defninition manipulation is actually a subpower of complete arsenal, which is a subpower of omnipotence. Don't belive me, look for yourself. Point is, humans created omnipotence as the ultimate super power, the one we know about but can't explain. The moment we agree something is stronger than it is the moment it looses its purpose and the moment we should delete its page. Or, maybe I'm just misguided.
- [5]HSuperLee reply to #26BraveHeart70 wrote:
Imouto-tan wrote:
So its official Definition Manipulation is stronger than OmnipotenceI would say so. At least, it's the only power that has it's number.Look under specific examples under Omnipotence, they all have it's number, none have its full power, that's why the section exists.
- [6]DYBAD
Depends on the perpective. After all, isn't Omnipotence's supremacy entirely based on its...
Definition ?
- He quite clearly put a question mark. Even he doesn't know for certain. :)
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(By the way. I wanna make a new power but I have no idea how to ;o; Teach me <3)
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Actually perfect point! Great arguement except one small plot twist. Confirmed none of these figures you stated are their verses author nor omnipotent being. The author of those stories > The poets. Author = Omnipotent. Omnipotent > Defination. gg.
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Oh let me add, in no way am I trying to offend dybad, but he isn't the smartest book in the whole world. Nor does he or any of us have any proof of what we are trying to debate. All we know is omnipotence = Above all. If anything this is just a paradox, Which means its running on logic and or reality. Thus Omnipotent > Logic. :P (on a side note, hows the weather?)
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Oh, Also here's some things to support my arguement over the fact omnipotent > Defination.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/definition
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/definition
http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/definition
^ Defination of defination: noun #1.a statement of the exact meaning of a word, especially in a dictionary.#* {| class="vk_tbl vk_gy" style="color:rgb(135,135,135)!important;border-collapse:collapse;" | class="lr_dct_nyms_ttl" style="font-style:italic;vertical-align:top;white-space:nowrap;padding:0px3px0px0px;"| | style="padding:0px;"| |}
- 2.the degree of distinctness in outline of an object, image, or sound, especially of an image in a photograph or on a screen. And despite your claims that everything has defination thats actually faulty. There's many examples of things we dont have definaiton, by the defination of defination. Thus, Omnipotence > Defination by pure logic that its based on logic. I'd even say logic > Defination. Another good example is defination can be manipulated by anything. I can make a word and not define it, yet get it popular. Or vice versa. Define something that doesnt exist. But im doing it via logic, Thus it runs on logic. And we know for a factor omnipotent > Logic.
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Do you have proof of your counter arguement however :o? If not your just tooting your own horn of the power you created my friend.
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(on a side note this makes a good discussion read, Haven't had one in a while.)
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Again, to your logical reasoning, if omnipotence had no defination to your opinion and logical statement (which is logical) would be correct. but omnipotence is above logic. :P
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Logic < Omnipotence.
Defination < Omnipotence
Omnipotence is beyond logic, reality, and probably defination lol. Read up on it.
Here's some proof of my statements. I dont like to go proofless.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=omnipotence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/omnipotent
http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Omnipotence
Enjoy the read :)
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Thats false. It can, And omnipotence is above logical thinking. It even states it itself. So while your logical thinking tells you that, its false. Omnipotence is above it.
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On a side note, the question defination vs absolute is quite intersting. I'd like a topic on that o3o!
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gg.
My only response to this thread is just No. We dont even understand omnipotence, we cant really compare it. Not to mention defination manipulation is just working on meta-power manipulation (its a sub, and a variation of linguistic.) Thus omnipotent > Def Manipulation for 3 simple reasons.
A. Omnipotent is above all other powers. More powerful then all other powers combined in all exsistence. Not to mention its so powerful even we dont fully understand how it works. It's just. Beyond our understanding :P It's all power.
B. Meta-Power is something within omnipotence. Not to mention if a omnipotent being really wanted to, he could erase defination manipulation out of exsistence.
C. Omnipotence is above paradox's, Reality, and logic. What ever logic defination manipulation has, it doesnt affect omnipotence. Even if it tried to. Thus, On the defination manipulation its only limitation should be put as: (this one is a maybe) "May not affect omni powers" and "Does not affect omnipotent beings" < And I pull that one out straight from meta-power manipulation. They are not immune to a power, which is above defination manipulation. aka Meta-Power Manipulation.
Nuff said. I await counter arguements :P If none, Then defination manipulation should be edited its new weakness~
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