Then fine, we let the other admins decide what to do. But don't assume I am that type of person like you have implied in that statement. You don't know me just like how I don't know you.
"You are immediately trying to punish him without trying to think of a less-severe solution, and that says a lot about you."
I did try to think of a less-severe solution, such as giving him more time... But that's wholly dependent on what the majority wants. If they don't want it, it's just how it is, and we can't just invalidate their decisions just like that. I am merely expressing how I think the majority felt about SageM, nothing more and nothing less. How I feel about SageM does not change how the majority feels. I'm not continuing this point with you anymore, but don't assume that you know me and my intent. I acknowledge his work, his upsides, but I also his downsides and his actions. Don't assume I am doing this purely out of emotions.
And like you've said, I don't know SageM in person, but the majority is the majority.
But they are still the majority. And what they feel shouldn't be any less significant than what the others think simply because they made emotion-fuelled decisions. They are people too.
Anyways, I'm not continuing this point any more. I'll just let the other majority decide how they would feel towards SageM.
That still doesn't change what the majority wants.
If the majority does not accept SageM's position, then that's just how it is, and we can't change how they can feel about that. Like I said, every actions has their own consequences, even if they are consequences you might deem unfair. By that same vein, that's also how human nature is... Being creatures of emotion.
If I were in SageM's position, and that the majority does not accept my position, then that's just how it is. Even if I might deem it unfair, it does not change what the majority felt about my actions, and I would accept that. If I have to step down from my position in SageM's shoes, I would have to accept that as well. The majority making actions based on their rightfully invoked emotions does not invalidate what they felt in any way. If you deem the way it is conveyed as unfair... Well, that's just how it is, as that's how the majority felt about him.
If you still feel that the majority's opinions should not stop SageM from continuing his duties as an Admin, then I don't know what to tell you any more.
Anyways, I'm not continuing this point any more, but if you want to know what the majority feels towards SageM's position, make a poll about whether or not SageM should remain as an admin.
Giving him more time is wholly dependent on what the majority would want.
If the majority doesn't accept his position as an administrator because of his recent actions, then that's just how it is. That does not invalidate the majority's choice in any way.
Every actions has their own consequences. If SageM's recent actions is likely going to cost his position as an admin, then that's just how it is, as decided by the majority.
Then we make a poll on whether or not SageM should remain as an admin. That sounds like enough to receive the objective input from this site.
Also, if others make judgements based on their (rightfully) invoked emotions, I don't see how that invalidates their judgements in any way. They are the ones who made those choices, thus it's their decisions, which I don't see why it should be considered as less significant than others just simply because they made those decisions out of invoked emotions.
And if it turns out that he has improved little to none after an another six months?
@13 Apostles Leaving random people on the wiki to guide him? That's not the point of being high-ranking staff member such as an administrator. As an admin, SageM is expected to guide himself. An admin is responsible for their own actions and the changes they bring to this site, not the responsibility of the common people. That's the whole point of being an admin... To be problem-solvers and managers of the site. Why should we leave the common folk to guide him, when individuals in managing/authoritative positions should be the ones to do so?
Also, how much more time do you even want to give SageM to improve his own behaviour anyways?
SageM has been a staff in this site for, like, around 6 months? That's like half a year of time.
I don't know about many of you, but that seems to at least be plenty of time to improve one's behaviour by being at least little more open-minded (or at least listen to their points before making his final judgement, rather than making his judgement before even listening to their points based on his recent actions). However, as far as I can see from his recent actions, he seems to have changed little (if any) from that time and has been misusing his new admin abilities in a way that prevents other user's from contributing at all... All simply because that one user's contributions does not conform to his beliefs, despite the logical arguments and evidence that they could bring.
I'm pretty sure waiting for him to "improve himself", when he has already been given plenty of time and chances already, is inefficient in this case when we can simply just replace SageM with an another potential admin in his place.
And what more time do some of you guys want to give him anyways? 1 year? 3 years? That sounds like a pretty long time to give for a individual with highly responsible position like an Administrator to me.
SageM has been a pain to many users in this site in the past and I wasn't pleased at all that he was given the chance to be an admin to be honest (especially since he seems to have misused his admin abilities recently). I hope he doesn't get away from this scot-free like before at the very least.