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Well, which limitations do you wan't removed and why? We can edit the page a little bit if you can provide valid reasons

As for Absolute Immortality, that debate is long over, other staff members confirmed the changes to be done to the pages and all the changes were done to the respective pages. But meta regeneration is currently being revamped so, your input will will be much appreciated.

Good. Now that all the queries have been answered, I think the thread should now be closed.

My question was that point of the whole debate was- absolute life should counter absolute death but the thing is- Absolute Life Inducement aka absolute life already counters Unavertable death aka absolute death and vice versa. People assumed that the opposite of UD is AI even though it isn't the absolute death power at all AI isn't opposite of UD, ALI is. AI is endless life/eternalnal life and there is a lot of difference between eternal and absolute (which is why we have separate pages for eternal transcendence and absolute transcendence)

In fact if we think about the opposite and counter OP absolute Immortality will be something along the lines of "Absolute Mortality Inducement" because the opposite of immortality is mortality, not death.

So, if absolute life and absolute death are already balanced, then don't you think it renders the entire discussion moot and the confusions are now gone? I trust your opinion on this matter, whatever it is.

I don't think you understood what I said, endless life and absolute life are two very different things. Endless means infinite amount of something and absolute means apex of something. The point of the discussion was that an absolute life power should be countered by an absolute death power which it already does- ALI the absolute life power counters UD, the absolute death power and vise versa. AI isn't the Absolute life power, ALI is and hence the opposite of AI isn't UD, so the discussion was moot. If anything- the hypothetical absolute mortality inducement will the opposite to AI as opposite of immortality is mortality.

Indeed, I think an executive decision is a logical option because after looking into Absolute Life Inducement, I think the whole point of the discussion was meaningless to begin with as we already have absolute life and absolute death countering each other and it has nothing to do with immortality. People just mistook AI to be the absolute Life power when in fact it's not. We literally wasted 20 days on a meaningless conversation.

Well, technically, you can argue that when living forever is taken to absolute levels, then the user will be above life and death or at the very least above death as the concept of death at least isn't applicable to them. And honestly, the antithesis of Absolute Death inducement should be absolute life inducement, not immortality which it already is. I think in the very least UD should be separate from UM as they are good powers, the way they are. If anything, we can tweak UD a little bit to turn it into absolute death inducement.

But I think, we should wait for DY's reply as he has been observing as a neutral party since a long time.

@DYBAD,

So, what do you think we should do currently?

This is my final take- As i pointed out that the original discussion was that absolute life should be countered by absolute death which I agree upon, the problem is AI isn't absolute life, absolute life inducement is and it is the opposite of UD. Both, counter each other, so the inherent discussion about AI being affected by UD as it is absolute life is moot. 

I just want to hear your final thoughts on this matter, what do you think? Since, you have been a neutral person in this discussion, I think it's best to apply what you think.

Indeed, let's drop the discussion about Leviathan, then.

@RoyalGuard,

Honestly, if we are only referring to christianity, then yeah, according to some interpretations like the one you posted here, Leviathan is the Devil/Satan but even then Leviathan is still a user of AI as he can only be slain by God and God created Satan as Perfect in every possible way, so he is still as immortal as ever. However, when it comes to interpretations, St. Thomas Aquinas, too described Leviathan as the demon of envy. And he is a pretty big philosopher and catholic priest. So, yeah many people described him the way I said.

But if we strictly stick to Judaism and look into texts like Talmud (which is the central text for Rabbinic Judaism and the primary source of Jewish religious law and Jewish theology, I don't know what you were going on about) then what I have been saying is 100% right. In judaism Leviathan is exactly what I said he is.

@DYBAD,

In marvel comics, at the very least cosmology is fixed, so people don't worry that much about it. We know that the abstracts serve designated purposes, LT is the multiversal guardian and TOAA is the supreme being, that's it but with DC it's hard to tell what being is above whom. Many writers like Grant Morrison contradict other stories and writers.

@Royal,

I never said that everybody agrees upon these thing as I know they don't. Same thing is happening on a lesser scale with Marvel, however since the immortal Hulk issues were mind-blowing this has cooled down there a lot recently.

But, what we have are a lot of statements from Grant Morrison and a lot of other writers stating that various beings are above but I think, that this wasn't even the point of the original discussion, so it's better to give it a rest. You accept what is cannon to you and I shall do the same.

And as for Leviathan, his interpretation is exactly what I said about Leviathan earlier that he is the demon of Envy and the text mentions him the devil because he is the one of the original angels to fall alongside Lucifer and Beelzebub not because he is satan. In fact this has been supported by the german bishop Peter Binsfeld. He gave this-

• Lucifer: pride
• Mammon: greed
• Asmodeus: lust
• Leviathan: envy
• Beelzebub: gluttony
• Satan: wrath
• Belphegor: sloth

That's why God slays Leviathan as nothing could face him.

So, death isn't powerful enough to kill even the monitors.