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In all honesty, I think the power isn't necessary. Instead, the Wing Manifestation power could have its capabilities rewritten to include users who cannot fly as well as those who can fly. I could help out with it when I'm back. Still, I see where you're coming from and I'm surprised nobody else caught this sooner. Zatalliya (talk) 20:56, February 5, 2020 (UTC)

It has been done and deleted. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 02:47, February 6, 2020 (UTC)

As of late I've been pretty busy, so I'm sorry about not replying to you earlier. Personally, I think that Vector Telekinesis refers to the use of telekinetic "lines" (vectors-shaped things in the real world, since the tail is from the hand and the head is wherever the line hits). It's a variation of telekinesis in which the power manifests as a vector, with a direction and...I suppose either the length or some amount of force behind it. 

Vector Manipulation, on the other hand, would be the manipulation of vector quantities in the real world. Vectors can represent forces & acceleration, velocity, positions, directions, objects - and someone who can manipulate vectors has control over vector quantities. It's a way of manipulating the world around the user through a mathematical lens. 

So tl;dr - Vector Telekinesis is just a variation of telekinesis that uses lines. Vector Manipulation is the manipulation of vector quantities (a mathematical concept) in the real world. Hope this helps, and sorry for the short reply! (: Zatalliya (talk) 01:25, February 8, 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply. Yeah, that could work. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 12:52, February 10, 2020 (UTC)

Your welcome Dragon-Fox 7 (talk) 22:09, February 11, 2020 (UTC)

Please ask for approval from the staff before you make any new self-based powers.



For future reference, please ask the staff for approval before making any more self/personal based powers.

Most of them are already covered by existing pages or they aren't truly self-based.

If you can't do that, I will have to delete them. Also your supposed to ask staff for permission when making new powers anyway.

Please keep this in mind.SageM (talk) 23:57, February 12, 2020 (UTC)SageM

Is there still time to answer? Since Personal Age works on self rather than others like Age Shifting, I say it is okay. I have made powers that only worked on the self before myself.

But still, you should do what SageM told you about asking for powers. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 00:59, February 13, 2020 (UTC)

Personal Age is exclusive to affecting ones self and ones self only. Age Shifting can be applied to anyone or any other living creature, making Age Shifting a step up from Personal Age. I tend to see powers like these on a specific scale. Self -> Others -> All living and Non-living things -> Metaphysical -> etc etc. The first is "Self", the latter is "Others". Alissa the Wise Wolf (talk) 08:35, February 14, 2020 (UTC)

Kinda like Black Bolt from Marvel? (Kinda, that is) I think it could work. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 15:52, February 27, 2020 (UTC)

SageF (talk) 22:21, February 28, 2020 (UTC)

Look like SageM is contacting an admin for the new power to be deleted. 

SageF (talk) 03:22, February 29, 2020 (UTC)

Options for Final GirlEdit

There two options for Final Girl, it shout be a varient to either Survival Intuition/or Survival Mode. That the only convincing plan to this archetype power.

Please stop posting false information on the wikia.

First off, specializing in something is not even remotely the same thing as Intuition.

Just because he defeated a few martial arts masters doesn't mean he has intuition of all forms of combat.

Intuition is pure knowledge and mastery of something without trying to learn it, they just do it. Its like a lesser form of Instant Learning.

Also avoiding getting hit by mobsters shooting at you is not an example of peak agility. Nor is his movement based on a man of his size an example either.

He is not a user of either of those.SageM (talk) 01:23, March 31, 2020 (UTC)SageM

Wrestling Intuition is far to limited in scope to be considered a valid power. 

The same deal goes for the other intuition powers that I deleted recently. I only left Boxing Intuition alone due to the fact its much more expansive and has multiple different forms (ie Kickboxing, Shadow Boxing, Foxy boxing, Kangaroo/Animal Boxing, etc). Since its not limited to just one thing or type it was left alone.

Wrestling Intuition doesn't have that capability and cannot be expanded upon, so its far to specific to count as a valid power.SageM (talk) 22:56, April 6, 2020 (UTC)SageM

Seems interesting if a little weird. Hair that is flammable? It could work. You should check to see if it's alright at least. Do you have users? Kusarigama (talk) 01:16, April 17, 2020 (UTC)

Didn't you read my message? Kusarigama (talk) 19:49, April 17, 2020 (UTC)

Help Wanted Edit

@Nengyko You asked if you could help me with some of my pages. I'm sorry about this request. @SageM and me have been squabbling over a page I made. I created a power which was titled wrong and mistaken as a copy of Absolute Senses/Omni-Perception. I really just want to contribute to and help this site. If you could forward this message to him it would be really helpful,man. Thanks.

"@SageM I'm sorry for freaking out. I might have defined the power wrong. What I meant was, "The user has the power/ability to scry without a physical form/body/medium" ." Meaning their senses can be projected from their body and be placed somewhere else without having to be in body like Sensory Scrying or medium like Elemental Scrying. Basically, they can make their senses no-clip. The power itself would be like astral projection where your astral form is distinguished from your physical form, can fly, phase through matter, etc., but it's not your spiritual/astral form, it's just your senses(which sometimes are usually considered physical senses, not senses that are carried over to your astral/spiritual form)(even the definition of sense manipulation on this site is "power/ability to manipulate physical senses)(but even if it was an ESP or Other Sense it is still a distinguished power)(the power doesn't bestow senses to the user, it only allows the user to Scry with the senses they do have, so it wouldn't be Omni-Perception/Absolute Senses, etc.). The senses themselves aren't duplicated or anything (ex. you can scry with the sense of sight, which causes your eyes to lose that sight, until that sight is returned to their body, so your senses wouldn't be overlapping). It's definitely a sub-power of Absolute Senses/Omni-Perception, but not the same thing. On the first draft it was "Unbound/Formless Senses", which was just bad phrasing and I'm sorry. At least you communicated with me about this page. Admins on other sites would have just deleted it and wouldn't give a reason why or communicate with the creator at all about it. I'd really like to get some feedback on this. Thank you." Baalzebug (talk) 08:08, April 24, 2020 (UTC)

Greetings Nengyko. Hope you are doing well. So I saw your comment on my soon-to-be-made power and I was wondering if by any chance you’d know any users that may count to it, whether they do so by attacking or moving with grace, elegance, fluidity, or smoothness. —Chris Urena (talk) 11:58, May 1, 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Nengyko. So firstly, I would like to thank you on the users you've provided to EF and to notify you that you are doing a great job (even better so than me) in looking up the missing users for it. And secondly, I would like to ask if you, by any chance, happen to use Discord? --Chris Urena (talk) 01:18, May 4, 2020 (UTC)

Oh, OK. I was just checking if you did, that’s all. --Chris Urena (talk) 15:17, May 4, 2020 (UTC)

Nengyko, feel free to make your edits to Enhanced Fluidity now that it’s been made into a sandbox page by our wiki’s bureaucrat. --Chris Urena (talk) 00:37, May 5, 2020 (UTC)

I deleted Undead Empowerement because it was listed as "candidates for deletion". Sorry if I made a mistake. Timjer (talk) 06:06, May 6, 2020 (UTC)

Candidate for Deletion (Kineti-Telekinesis) Edit

Hey, I saw that you pulled down Candidate for Deletion on Keniti-Telikinesis. You're welcome to support keeping those pages, but you aren't welcome to pull down CfD because you disagree with it. Powers need to meet the Minimum Requirements for Powers. A failure to do so is grounds for it being added to this category and being discussed and/or changed to meet the minimum requirements/fix the problems with it.

Your removal of the CfD tag is stifling conversation that is needed. YOU are not the only one who needs to chime in for a matter to be settled, your words are not the banging of the gavel on that discussion. Please do not continue to pull them down, I (and others) have put them there for good reason.

In particular, Kineti-Telekinesis is really just the same as Telekinesis. The word Telekinesis just means "Distant movement". Kinetics refers to "movement". That power is "Movement by Distant Movement". I don't think I should have to explain what's wrong with that, but in case I do there's no difference. It just movement at a distance? So it's in CfD because it either needs to be reworked or deleted for being too similar to Telekinesis.

Necrotifice (talk) 06:27, May 6, 2020 (UTC)

After the previous warning you have once more edited Kineti-Telekinesis to remove the CfD tag. You didn't even try to contribute to the discussion around this topic, you just tried to overrule conversation with your opinion. This is edit warring, and it's not acceptable practice on this Wikia. For this reason I'm putting in place a temp ban for the next 9 hours. In the future, please discuss your differences of opinion instead of just trying to enforce your will.

Necrotifice (talk) 22:04, May 6, 2020 (UTC)

Kineti-Telekinesis isn't obviously distinct from Telekinesis. Like, Telekinesis just means to move something at a distance. Kinetic energy is energy from movement. So... what exactly is Kinetic telekinesis? Movement telekinesis. Which telekinesis already is. I'll ask the people on the Discord to see if anyone else has some view that this is, like, a different power? I don't imagine they will.

SageM was demoted because a majority of users who participated in a Discussion post (in the Community section) agreed that he had a negative impact on the Wikia as an admin. He was using his ability as an admin to suppress opposing views and enforce his own opinion regardless of the facts brought to him.

Necrotifice (talk) 20:53, May 7, 2020 (UTC)

Enhanced Investigation Edit

Hey Nengyko. I saw your comment on SageM's talk page asking if you could undo my changes to Enhanced Investigation while looking into another matter. SageM doesn't have more authority over this matter than I do (or anyone else does). If you wanted to ask for other people's opinion on the matter to sort of spot-check me that's one thing, but you can't go around asking if you can undo other people's edits. In fact, we were having a conversation about it on the Blog post that you have not responded to.

You're welcome to talk to me about it, and if you'd like to talk to me in a chat about it you can add me on Discord at Necrotech#1326, or you could bring it up in the general or wikia-related-work chats. You should be aware that these changes are in part to bring powers in line with the new four-tier/bracket standardization system. Technically Batman has no powers that make him a better investigator than anyone else, he's just an extremely good investigator. This is why I'd say he's appropriate for a Peak Human Investigator page, but not Enhanced Investigation.

Necrotifice (talk) 20:44, May 6, 2020 (UTC)

As far as users of Enhanced Investigation go, I think the best example are things like AI. They're way better than humans at connecting the dots, but typically not supernaturally so. I think that hyper-intelligent aliens would also be a good candidate for this category. Notably Martian Manhunter probably shouldn't be, because he has supernatural abilities that aid his investigation.

Necrotifice (talk) 21:46, May 6, 2020 (UTC)

Why didn't you protest reply Edit

Nengyko, I got my start on here having problems with the Wiki. I joined the Discord and talked with others about problems I had, and found that there were a lot of other people with the same problems I had. My first issue I brought up is that I didn't think Physiology was a power, though eventually through conversation we reached a consensus on that. Some of my conversations about "What is a power?" and talk about setting up standardization/written policy helped lead to the Requirements for Powers we have now. That was largely the result of people collaborating over Discord and talking about the problems we have with powers which finally lead to official proposals.

While we've always had the ability to press the buttons to add the CfD template, people before didn't take anyone seriously unless they were an Admin. You had to ask Admin permission to do anything, and I actually did try to get a couple of pages either heavily modified or deleted. However, because there was rampant infighting by staff even that wasn't very effective. There was drama and politics, so asking one staff member over another (even if you didn't know the other) could get you wrapped up in drama when all you wanted to do was edit the wiki. Trying to make basically any changes on the wiki that weren't adding a new power got you shouted down. Kuo's old policies about editing all pages to be the same as similar pages drowned out any ability to change things meaningfully. Basically, before Kuo left you could not reasonably change things on this site - it was the way it was, and it was that way because to change it would change the way it was.

There are a lot of people on the Discord who don't touch the Wiki because they have had such bad experiences with it. Talking with those people has been a huge part of the waves of collaboration and changes that are happening. A lot of those changes are questioning the way things are on the Wiki, because things on the Wiki presently are the result of something like 5 years of laziness, lack of oversight, and foolish reasoning. Lots of duplicate powers, lots of things that don't make sense as powers. It's not like suddenly now that I'm admin I'm thinking we should remove/fix bad pages - I've thought this since August of 2019.

Necrotifice (talk) 22:15, May 13, 2020 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that being able to counter physical attacks is a part of Enhanced Combat, simply because there are probably less than a few fighting styles that have no forms of countering. You're more than welcome to put the page on your blog, but I don't think it belongs in the mainspace unless you can sufficiently differentiate it from just one aspect of combat. If you need help, just let me know Jess (❁´◡`) (Talk) (Powerlisting Discord) 00:30, May 14, 2020 (UTC)

/* Handicapability */ reply Edit

No. PH Condition is a page that represents general peak human ability, and that's probably gonna get turned into a Category once we roll out the Universal Tiering setup because it's not much of a power on it's own that anyone has so much as a parent page for the other Peak Human powers. Martial Arts Intuition is the power to instantly know how to use Martial Arts without training. That's what all the Intuition powers are supposed to be - instant knowledge of something without training or learning it prior. Those are both valid powers.

Handicapability is not getting used to your disability immediately, it's operating at Peak Human levels despite your disability. If you can operate at PH levels, you aren't disabled. Disabled literally means less able to do something. If you can run a marathon despite being "paraplegic", you aren't paraplegic. The power made no sense, and it will not be recreated. The staff are near unanimously in favor of Handicapability being removed and staying that way. This is actually the second time it's been deleted (the first having been well before my time), and I fully intend for this to be the final time. Instead of weirdly focusing on this power, your efforts would be better spent on improving powers that we already have on the wiki. If there are other powers that are as you say "not superpowers" they would also be up for review.

Necrotifice (talk) 20:06, May 15, 2020 (UTC)

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