When you add to Users, series should be in italics.
One Hit KillEdit
Not really, since they are considered two different people.
If anything, Machina is more like a reincarnation of him.
Why would it be?
Fair enough, but shouldn't it at least be under Association?
Ti9MK97s (talk) 15:13, September 24, 2019 (UTC)
Strength deities are not the embodiment of strength.
And Hercules has never embodied strength, he is incredibly strong yes. But he doesn't embody the concept.
Kratos on the other hand is the actual personification of strength (in fact his name actually means strength/power)
just as Magni is the embodiment of strength in norse myth.
Sorry but no.
Hercules was never the god of strength. He was only a demi-god.
And even after his death he still never personified anything. He may have become an actual god after his death bur even than he didn't represent strength.
Kratos was the god of strength in greek myth. and it even says as much on any mythology site or book. While Hercules never had anything remotely like that. It only says he was a demigod.SageM (talk) 17:20, October 25, 2019 (UTC)SageM
Thelemic deity Physiology Edit
Hello. Just wanted to ask you to take a quick look at the page you created. Please. I need help. SageM is beyond retarded.--Morningstar123
Morningstar seems to have gotten it into his head that just because Choronzon is listed in an infobox as a deity that he must be one.
Except that his only source is wikipedia, and he won't provide another to actually proof conclusively that he is anything more then a demon.
I gave multiple sources, I checked PDF files on crowley's writings and even lists of the Thelemic pantheon. And while all the other godforms mention on your page are listed there. I find no mention of Coronzon as a deity or godform.
Since you were the one who originally removed him before, Its probably better to keep him off the page. As there is no other sources available to support Morningstar's beliefs on this.
just because wikipedia says its, doesn't make it automatically accurate or a concrete fact.
Coronzon is only related to Thelema as an obstacle for crossing the Abyss of DA'AT, a demon or spirit thats goal is to destroy ones ego.
It is not defined as an individual or a fully formed being. it is like dust devil or an infinite collection of forms with no set identity or personality.
Those are crowleys words. Nothing about gods, deities, godforms, divine/almighty powers are ever mentioned in his works.
I'm not trying to start an argument with Morningstar or an edit war.
I'm just saying there isn't any real evidence other then one site's opinion (and even wikipedia itself contradicts itself by saying on Choronzon's own page that he is a demon, and not a god).
So in cases like this, its best to go with the facts as stated in the authors writings, rather then unconfirmed beliefs that are presented in a contradictory fashion.
Okay, the way I see it, SageM is right. Choronzon is demon, not a deity. That being said I feel like it should probably be included in the page so I'm thinking of just putting it under a "Demons" sub-heading under "Deities". I looked at the Greek God Physiology section for reference and it had a Monster-God section for Echidna and Typhon, and on the Norse Deity Physiology page, there was a section for Jotunn, so I think a similar approach here can be used to distinguish it from the deities while still acknowledging it. Ti9MK97s (talk) 01:44, April 26, 2020 (UTC)