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  • If it was Divine Force Manipulation Vs All Matter Manipulation who do you think would win?

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    • divine force manipulation, no contest. divine force manipulation makes you a golden child of God, through whom you can do anything, which easily trumps matter manipulation, which merely grants you control over the material world.

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    • Im inching towards matter manipulation as it can practically control and destroy anything on a subatomic level, a mere thought is capable of disintegrating  anything that is composed of matter including those that manipulate the divine force.

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    • Really? You question the divine? How abouts we fight Molecule Man against Sentry? 

      Sentry won. KNow why? Cause "God" Favored him. 

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    • Divine powers are called Divine powers for a reason.

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    • After he was vaporized twice, and it was an unfair battle, molecule man had a headache :P

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    • And Sentry was a Godmode Sue ^ ^; You just can't win against these.

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    • More reason to hate the Sentry, but he can be discarded due to the fact that he was also proficient with matter manipulation.

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    • Which he didn't use against World War Hulk.

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    • You mean the same World War Hulk who beat the Dimension Overlord Dormammu, the cosmic manipulator and matter transmuter Silver Surfer, one of the molecule manipulating and revered Watchers. Seriously, if you want to use that point off the back, please account for his other piss poor plot victories. Second, it seems as if Sentry wasn't really trying in that battle casually chatting, attempting to fight punch for punch which was never really his style, and just wanting to release energy. If anything, they are the two characters I detest with a passion, but it is what it is.

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    • Sentry Was dominating WW Hulk while fooling around ("beat me the hardest you can, until I feel motivated enough" lol). At least we got to see his face messed up before he consented to not destroy the world by accident ^ ^;

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    • "Sentry Was dominating WW Hulk while fooling around" Precisely why I hate Sentry again. Not even World War Hulk, plot sue incarnate, can beat this guy.

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    • Actually, Sentry got his ass kicked.

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    • Not even close. He just stepped out of the way after showing show off how strong he is.

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    • He got his ass kicced bro. Deal with it.

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    • From what I remember, WW Hulk was having his own burnt away in an ocean of sunfire, though it's true that Sentry sustained a lot of lasting physical damage, while Hulk kept regenerating his own in a matter of seconds.

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    • I know right! Why didn't Sentry just De-moleculize hulk? Stupid Sentry not even thinking and shit. Can take down cosmic forces yet gets his ass whooped by a level 5 superhuman.

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    • He was just on the wrong side of the pot this time ^ ^ Just like Dr. Strange, who could have "snuffed the feeble flame of his mortal life with the merest twitch of a finger", yet very foolishly allowed said fingers to be broken just about 2 seconds later ^ ^;

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    • "Why didn't Sentry just De-moleculize hulk?"

      Are we still talking about the same Sentry who easily disintegrated MOLECULE MAN!

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    • And one more paradox on his account ^ ^

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    • What puzzled me even more was Dr.Strange. Who can level Galactus, yet got owned by WWH.

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    • He got owned because of a ridiculously foolish move, thanks to plot-induced stupidity.

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    • "What puzzled me even more was Dr.Strange. Who can level Galactus, yet got owned by WWH."

      Galactus pawned classic Dr. Strange on two occasions IIRC. Are you really going to underestimate Galactus of all people?

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    • He's one of the most worfed cosmic entities, though.

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    • Galacus yes! The same one who gets his ass kicked by the Fantastic 4 on a regular basis.

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    • Because of Reed 'deux ex machina' Richards and the Watcher stealing the Ultimate Nullifier, and that's if he is done right. There was a reason why Stan Lee feared Galactus shouldn't be used much, and that is because people like you would undermine what he has usually been capable of doing. You saw what a weakened Galactus could do in Annihilation... and to World War Hulk. Otherwise since you love wanking one and demoting the other, what about when Strange feared Loki? Look at any thread (especially comicvine) regarding Dr. Strange and Galactus to understand how much of a stomp the battle really would be.

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    • Galactus is a major cosmic entity, so he should win without any effort. Problem is, Galactus winning would mean the heroes losing - and much worse : the Earth destroyed. I'm not sure it would be good for the future of the Marvel empire ^ ^;

      Narrative Causality at work, my friend. No matter how much superior a character effectively is, if the plot is against him, he'll still lose all the same.

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    • But other than that, there are ways to write him well. In my opinion, he should not have been used (and abused) so much that he lost his aura of power and cosmic transcendence as Addikhabbo has frankly shown.

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    • Losers never amount to much in anyone's eyes, no matter how powerful they are supposed to be. So while he's technically not allowed to win anyway, they should still have made the heroes' inevitable victory a little more in tune with the overwhelming gape in power.

      Personally, I'd like to see villains really wining and slaughtering the heroes more often, if only to prove that they can. The fact they are usuallly there only to offer the heroes someone to beat makes them really pathetic, and the shows themselves fake and hypocritical.

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    • i agree completely

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    • Ditto

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    • @dybad

      i Agree x10^50505e+90909 

      divine forces

      summon intangible stuff, the all matter guy couldn't manipulate it.. BOOM

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