I remember reading a fanfic called Funny Business. It is about Jeanette who could do anything she desired without limitation. In fact... She completely bypassed the Omnipotence Paradox. This is... the first time it was ever successfully obliterated, so... would that make Jeanette truly Omnipotent ? Or would this apply under the Omnipotent-end of Conceptual Transcendence ? Cause she is beyond the concept of the Omnipotence Paradox.
Thanks so much DYBAD . I appreciate it fully. Here is the Jeanette in question . I complied everything I could remember from the fanfic onto that page. Feedback on here ( not on the wikia in question.. It would become crowded. ) would be truly appreciated.
I'm not a fan of the power myself, but the Wiki does need a stable long-term N°1, or we'll end up with an exponentially over-the-top competition for the top seat, like it happens so often on power-centered fanon wikis. And since Omnipotence has a 2000+ years old cultural background about standing above everything else, it was the perfect candidate for the job.
You know what I find ironic about omnipotent characters? They have the power to do anything yet they do nothing, why?, Because If they so much as move an inch of their fingertips their entire world that they know and are comfortable with changes.
It makes anything close to significant that they do boring and as such are, well, useless characters that are simply just there. Take Imouto-tan's Ilona character for example, It is a very detailed character but name one thing that she did that was significant compared to what the rest of her characters did.
I believe Ilona defeated the infamous Huozai, a legendary OP warlord than even the combined might of Destiny City's strongest couldn't take down. Though she mostly exists through hosts, so she usually lends her help rather than take initiative.
Ilona is usually just messing around giving out powers and testing people to see if they are worthy of said power. When push comes to shove she does help out when she isn't off doing whatever she feels like.
She has actually done important things like teaching some of the main characters certain abilities and so on.
It actually seems like she's done a lot more than the entirety of your verse put together Cursedwarrior 343. 😅
Well Ilona is exactly like that I mean if her personality section is anything to go by @DYBAD. She's a Omnipotent troll that does what she wants whenever she wants to do it. She stomps big bads on her bad days and grope or teach on her good days. She is for all intents and purposes a God Sue that's played with and sometimes deconstructed.
In the end Ilona is just a tool to shape the story just like the other characters, however, the only difference is that she doesn't have anything to prove to anyone in the verse.
Easy there, sweet thing ^ ^; Ilona was just a random example, and it turns out not a good one.
He has a point though, in that Omnipotents in general are incredibly passive considering their capabilities, mostly for narrative reasons since their smallest flick of finger could end any plot the writers came up with.
Omnipotents usually never directly intervene in the story, however, they might guide the MC or give them a super OP weapon, but most Omnipotent beings don't do that because human affairs are not very interesting and there is no mystery to their existence making them bored of everything causing them to be hermits.
Making Ilona both a parody and deconstruction of a God Sue is what is supposed to be interesting about her. She has a personality because she is a concept that has no shape that can be described with human words, so she just copies her host and keeps parts of parts of their personality she likes, but discards the rest. This makes her similar to being actual Omnipotence as we all see it differently so with each host she changes slightly while retaining core traits that makes her her own person.
It's hard to imagine what could possibly be interesting in an Omnipotent's eyes, it's likely to be very changing and not make much sense from our limited perspective. After all, when anything can be done and undone at will, only your whims determine what is important, and whims by nature change fast and without much reason.
So Ilona gains identity and personality by taking bits of them from each successive host ? It reminds me of Lawrence in a way, except he gained his own all at once from the first one.
Well, I agree with you in part, and disagree elsewhere. For one thing, the only thing that questions logic about omnipotence is the principle of noncontradiction, and this principle serves to question the validity of an argument, but it is extremely failed in reality. We can see this in computation, in quantum physics, in self-referencing, and in dialetheism, and this has become much more evident since the advent of paraconsistent logic. We ourselves can violate the principle of non-contradiction, and if we can, a transcendental being can. The scholastic/classical/thomist view of omnipotence is very beautiful, but fails to regard the principle of non-contradiction as absolute, it in fact isn't.
I'm fairly certain the principle on non-contradiction remains valid in real life, and that the apparent contradictions we witnessed in some very specific fields are simply the result of our incomplete understanding of said fields and inner workings of the phenomena at play.
Paraconsistent logic has already demonstrated that there are situations in which the principle of non-contradiction is violated, and there are situations in quantum physics that violate the principle of non-contradiction (an example of this is the hypothetical representative of Schrödinger's cat), and the photons With its duality. And also considering the self-reference of some paradoxes such as the liar, which demonstrate that the principle of non-contradiction has limits not only physical but also linguistic. This doesn't mean that it is invalid, it just means that it is not absolute and that it does not apply to everything.
I don't know what paraconsistent logic is, but I remain sceptical until provided sufficient supportive material, as a great many things have been claimed on paper and not lived up to in practice.
Quantum physics is what I primarily refered to when saying "result of our incomplete understanding", and if I remember right the Schrödinger's cat idea is misunderstood, as the point is not that the cat is both alive and dead at once, but simply that we can't tell which one is true until we open the box.
That is notably what "quantum uncertainty" and "observer effect" mean : the actual state of things remains largely uncertain because the process by which we gain informations interferes with the end result, so we largely observe the product of our own observation.
There may be cases where the principle of non-contradiction is effectively contradicted, but I remain mostly unconvinced until it is factually demonstrated in a reliable way.
As for Schrödinger's cat, as far as I remember, it is a demonstration of how the interpretation of quantum mechanics developed by Niels Bohr and Werner Heisenberg is strange. It is not literally a cat in a box, but a representation of quantum uncertainty in everyday objects.
And as regards the linguistic limitation to which I have referred, an example of this is the paradox of the liar, which can be expressed as follows:
$ (1) $ Proposition $ (1) $ is false.
$ (a) $ Proposition $ (b) $ is true.
$ (b) $ Proposition $ (a) $ is false.
Note that, referring to themselves, these statements must be both true and false.
I will copy the text that responds very well to the paradox I had typed in a discussion.
First, Omnipotence is an Attribute that transcends literally everything, to logic, and humans. It makes no sense to use human means to analyze omnipotence, since these attributes transcend absolutely everything. But it is possible to believe whether it exists or not. But if it's to be used, you have a right way to do it. Applying something that can analyze divine perfection. Second, every Almighty has all the divine attributes including the infinite, that is, that God is INFINITE, NOT LIMITED and NOT LIMITABLE, that is, there is no limit, so that God has no limits,There is no logic to limit God, being that e is the attributes themselves, that is what the divine simpliciadde says.I ask you, does the literal infinite have a limit? If so, then why is it infinite?, remembering that God is the infinite itself, and this kind of infinite goes beyond a simple numerical infinity..
Third, I bet you are using classic / trivial logic to analyze the omnipotence attribute. Which is a big mistake for several reasons. classical logic is limited even for us humans, porting we created several kind of logic, such as Paraconsistent Logic(and paraconsistent logic excludes the principle of non-contradiction), intuitionist logic etc. Now let's go to the proofs that classic logic is quite limited. there is something called true paradoxes, that is, they really exist in real life. Among them is the paradox of the liar(and also has the enhanced versions, so it has not been refuted).there is something called true paradoxes, that is, they really exist in real life. Among him is the paradox of the liar (and also has the enhanced versions, so it has not been refuted).There are even paradoxes in mathematics, such as the paradox of russel .
Even after all this, you can point out that omnipotence is contradictory, so it is impossible to exist, right? WRONG. Electro, Foton are subatomic particles, and s one of its many characteristics is that they are particles and waves. Omnipotence is impossible to exist because it is something contradictory, so why do these "particles" exist?. "translating" the wave / particle duality into our reality, we have the schrödinger cat . At one particular event, the cat is alive and dead at the same time. this is a way of knowing how absurd an electro and a photon in quantum physics is.
The obvious, an omnipotent transcends up to logic, and can not be limited by it, because of the infinity attribute.
Fourth, With all this true / real paradox, it would be impossible to analyze with classic / trivial logic. Then it was created the paraconsistent logic
Now if neither Logica nor the universe says that omnipotence is impossible to exist and even in the universe there are contradictory "objects" and even in mathematics the paradox exists. And they are still real things in our world. Why would omnipotence be impossible? Please, I ask you to prove it with sources. Whether omnipotence exists or not, this I can not really prove, because it is the same to prove the existence of God himself, something that is impossible for obvious reasons. Thank you
The problem is in using a logic that is very limited and uses to limit God (a being that has infinite as one of the attributes).
God was said to be a being a paraconsistent being, by the Congress of Logic and Religion. because this logic excludes the principle of non-contradiction and therefore refutes the paradoxes.
another argument. he is using logic to limit a being that is beyond logic, which is already flawed from the beginning. I still argue with logic, showing how omnipotence could exist even within the area of logic. I still argue using logic, showing how omnipotence could exist even within the area of logic. Logica serves only to validate some argument, but does not say whether it is true or not, how much more rules how things should be. Several things in the universe defy logic, it will not be a concept with extreme limitations that prevent omnipotence from existing.
All bases for this paradox were refuted as absolute. If you think it was not, then prove that this is absolute even to God and refute the cases I quoted in the first text (including subatomic particles , paradox of russel ., liar's paradox , and paraconsistent logic . which refutes classical logic and the principle of non-contradiction,the schrödinger cat .), all these cases refute the principles of the paradox of the stone, if in the Universe already has "things" that refutes, por que God would not be beyond mere paradoxes?, remembering that there is a huge difference between trivial paradox, and paradox dialetheims( dialetheims(dialetheims shows several contradictions that exist in the real world, and I repeat is not because something has a contradictory feature that will not exist). here we can see uses for paraconsistent logic , being that it is fundamental for high-level artificial intelligence(PDF File)
Anthonytheidiot wrote: simple you're basically ignoring the paradox.
No, you did not understand anything I said (I bet you only know one type of logic). In basic terms. With a consistent logic, the principle of non-contradiction is not attributed to God (for reasons I have explained) with this Fact in the Mind. God could create the rock and raise that would still be omnipotent. If you disagree feel free to refute and also the first congress of logic and religion.
I have never seen a proof, but why logic is superior to God?
But this is no excuse(I had used only logic, even avoided using religious argument), it has rational arguments (including Aquino's argued) even scientific, as proposed by the incompleteness theorem, which was written by the mathematician Gödel. Both of these things say that it requires an Infinite, Limitless (Omnipotent) Entity that is immaterial and transcendent to have created our universe.
I am beyond infinite God I use logic and non-logic, I am from the Infinitiers. All Omnipotents that i can make they have to limits at all times. Only boundaries that a beyond god could understand. So there is limits so if they become demonic or become bad at any way i can negate any being and figured out what is wrong with there programming of A.I. system.
The only perfect thing is they cant die from anything and dont have to worry about dieing cuz they have me on there side helping them so they dont killed by someone else's hands except my own hands. But i dont do that i am a netural being that believes on both side's of good and bad and the understanding life and death i balance out the whole and ALL of the universes i take care even if i have to fix A.I. systems all over the all the verse's well that's what i have to do then. I can do changes around all encryptions at and above Googolplexian level of encryption(impossible and possible combinations). Of All Omnipotence beings. These blueprints are my design i engineered these for Infinite beings below the beyond beings but strong enought to help on each planet so the planet doesn't blow up. To make sure there is balance all planets, to demons in check so they dont kill the whole planet or apocalypes.
Omni2583 wrote: The only perfect thing is they cant die from anything and dont have to worry about dieing cuz they have me on there side helping them so they dont killed by someone else's hands except my own hands. But i dont do that i am a netural being that believes on both side's of good and bad and the understanding life and death i balance out the whole and ALL of the universes i take care even if i have to fix A.I. systems all over the all the verse's well that's what i have to do then. I can do changes around all encryptions at and above Googolplexian level of encryption(impossible and possible combinations). Of All Omnipotence beings. These blueprints are my design i engineered these for Infinite beings below the beyond beings but strong enought to help on each planet so the planet doesn't blow up. To make sure there is balance all planets, to demons in check so they dont kill the whole planet or apocalypes.
???? Sorry to sound like a fallacy of authority, but the best mathematicians in the world Made a theorem, saying that for something to have created the universe, that lake has to be "limited" Here you dictated based on nothing, I'm sorry to speak, but I do not even call this argument Go research a little and then make a decent argument. And I do not understand anything that this "omni2583" wrote. What you are???
Anthonytheidiot wrote: it's true that anything has flaws well yeah nothing is perfect tho.
What is your basis? And do you at least know what is metaphysical? It seems like you have no idea what you're talking about. I do not know if God exists, but it is extremely wrong to describe him with laws of physics, for he TRANSCENDS these laws. I do not say anything if you think it does not exist .. I'm sorry if I'm looking cocky. I disagree with some things about aquino(I have the basis and evidence for this.), but it is good to read to know at least what God is (minimum of the least possible minimum).
yeah i never understood why people would want to limit god omnipotence god regardless of what the bible can convey, god is that which can do explicitly A N Y T H I N G W H A T S O E V E R period, done, fin, pound sand if you cant get it to me that is what is intuitvely correct about god.
There is different lvls of Omnipotence. There is a lower god that has omnipotence, The lvls of the Omnipotence. Lower/Middle/Higher/Beyond. The lower, middle and higher have limits to there powers, beyond dont have any limits to there powers because we have freedom and no boundarys limits. All of my powers are at the highest peaks and beyond. I Am considered the Beyond Everything GOD. Where there NO limits, NO Weakness to my powers and NO invulernables.
There is no such thing as "levels of omnipotence" this is something that a random person invented to classify fictional characters. And even in the Bible it is said that God is beyond human understanding, which is logical everyone understands; What is beyond comprehension automatically is beyond logic.
yes there is levels cuz not all omnipotence beings can handle all the omnipotence ,omni power. So yes there is levels for it. They cant handle to point very ancient power so far from understanding there bodies wont be able to handle the maximum power like googolplexian power. And the thing is i can that power and beyond that. Not all omnipotence being are the same. There is alot of different people who cant handle that kind of power they would blow up. between lower and higher beings with omnipotence and omni powers they have a start with infinity power and ending. WIth beyond beings we dont have a start or ending of our power it changes on every fight that i fight. So one time i could be using yottajoule googolplex power at one fight then another fight i could be using 10x infinity power that where i start off at, and higher beings will start off at infinity and work there way up to 10x infinity not starting off at it There is alot for you to learn about beyond beings for you to understand us. And how i know this, cuz i am the one who gives those beings omnipotence powers cuz i am the omni monotheistic entity/deity physiclogy. And the power i have is apexpotence. And another power i have is omni-creator. And my power doesnt compare to any omnipotence beings. My power so incalculable that you cant even understand logic of my power, My power so ancient that is a unknown language/power. My power cant be taught or teached. The language is very ancient, and beyond beings can understand it. Not even higher beings can understand even how to use it or even understand it enought for them control it.
No, there are no levels of omnipotence, you will find no articles on theology (Study on God, which would be appropriate for this matter), nor philosophers, nor people working with logic would say that. As I said, that level of omnipotence was someone who invented to classify the fictional character. "Not all omnipotence is the same." There is only one Omnipotent, and only this Almighty can allow other beings to have this attribute (omnipotence, equal divine trinity of the Bible). However it is an attribute beyond my comprehension. But there are no levels, nor others omnipotent on their own. Sorry for the repertoire of words, but it was to clarify the maximum possible.