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  • No character is undefeatable, and I am a strong believer of that. My friend told me today "It's a lot easier to destroy the seed than the tree it might grow into", so that really got me thinking. 

    One way would be to destroy the singularity of the seed, or the user, by going to a point in time as theyre using a power, and killing them a millisecond after theyre done using it, when theyre rendered weaker. Of course theres a lot that goes into this, this is just the shortest way I could put it. 

    Is there any other way anyone knows? Complicated or not, I'd like to know! thanks!

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    • You know someone can't. That's what defines the whole Omnipotence concept. Simply because you don't believe it isn't undefeatable, doesn't mean it is. The Omnipotent being will only allow you to beat it. If you do beat an Omnipotent being, then it was never Omnipotent to begin with.

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    • Get another Omnipotent being

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    • You know I had an actual concept of anti omnipotence the power that works exactly opposite to omnipotence but I don't know whether other people would agree with me

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    • DeuzExMachina
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    • I suggest you two different takes:

      1) Omnipotence is usually assumed unbeatable if someone gets it. However you can't get omnipotence if anyone in the universe has absolute immortality for example, because it's absolute. Even if in this wiki absolute immortality can be destroyed by omnipotence, this means that it's just can't be something final. We can define final immortality then which has the same precedence as omnipotence, and then either final immortality or omnipotence can exist in a universe. It would be like this: if a being gets final immortality nobody can have omnipotence and vice versa.

      I believe it's not a power. It's more like reign over everything. Because every power has something to resist it. You can't just define a power which precedes over anything else, as another power may be defined that nothing can precede over it. However, even if it's not a power, the being with omnipotence can as well break logic and make it one. This is never talked about. We need very specific rules of the universe to have it given precedence as a power, as why would we give precedence to anything? So in neutral state of mind it shouldn't be a power.

      2) Omnipotence can be beaten, no matter the formulation. In this case, how difficult to beat it depends on the "conditions" which the omnipotent being has for interaction with the rest of existence and the totality. For example, creating an equivalent omnipotent being won't give it more chances of victory, as it's the same origin. And for skill and such things, there are the "conditions" with totality. Totality meaning everything can one get, information and abilities.

      Looking at it like this make it look not like omnipotence at all. However, in this look all there is here is contradictions and their resolutions. It's just difficult for us to comprehend anything like this without making it look like not omnipotence at all.

      In conclusion (and back the the first take): I don't know whether the second take on it is correct. If the end and totality we can formulate with our minds are all that final, then it's not. Even in this case, there can be an internal rule (or anything else) to be formulated which makes omnipotence (literal) defeatable within a given fictional universe, however you may still argue it's not omnipotence for us, even though it is for them, as for them the logic (or anything transcending it) is bended. If you're telling me a rule (or anything else) can't precede over omnipotence, well it's just your precedence. Within a given fictional universe it may precede omnipotence and it will stay omnipotence within it, because that part is also preceded by something else. Even if for you it's not omnipotence if it's preceded.

      It's more like not that omnipotence can't be preceded, it's that if it's preceded, then it's not omnipotence. The cause and the effect are switched.

      What is interesting is dogmatic approach to omnipotence by anyone taking the standard position. Not understanding that their position is simply based on that omnipotence is precedential, meaning that if it exists, then it precedes everything. However, if a thing like final immortality exists, omnipotence can't, and vise versa.

      Am I overcomplicating it? No. It it was too simple omnipotence could be just beaten because we wouldn't apply logic at all. But it's ridicluous that you treat some set of rules you made up as a universal truth.

      If someone needs to separate themselves from the rest of the universe they don't need to worry about forbidding possibility of getting omnipotence for everyone. They just separate and omnipotence is banned for everyone in existence automatically. Because the separation is final. This is the thing

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    • going to a point in time as theyre using a power, and killing them a millisecond after theyre done using it, when theyre rendered weaker

      If an 'omnipotent' being is vulnerable to that, they're not omnipotent and should barely even call themselves a god. The Omnipotent has meta everything manipulation and flawless invulnerability, thus able to see you no matter what, even in omnilock and even then will take no damage, assuming they even let you hit them in the first place.

      Omnipotence is undefeatable as much as humans are not plants as they can do utterly anything and have already done it; your attempt to stop them will be dismissed as easily as the countless neutrinos passing through you right now. The only way to defeat an 'omnipotent' would be to retcon them as nigh-omnipotent, then beating them with hax or superior firepower.

      There will be a point where something just plain can't be beaten without crossovers with some ultra-hax being like the Empty Hand or Grand Priest/Zeno or making up an even stronger one with more powers. How would one defeat something with Power Immunity, Timespace Manipulation, nigh-omniscience and amortality? And that would just be a fraction of what a nigh-omnipotent could possibly have. It can get muuuuuch worse.

      Well, unless you're Suggs lmao

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    • talk to the author.

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    • Why is this even a thread? Omnipotence is what it is-infinite.

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    • Maxizni
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      even omnipotence cannot defeat omnipotence. this post is ridiculous.
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    • This thread is stupid.

      The whole point of omnipotence is to be completely invincible. It’s the one power that will beat all other powers excluding author authority and the others as those are essentially the same thing so a stalemate.

      In short nothing can beat an omnipotent unless it’s another omnipotent which ends in a stalemate.

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    • Pokemonfan807@ you know only one omnipotent being can exist in the same verse???

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    • Anthonytheidiot wrote: Pokemonfan807@ you know only one omnipotent being can exist in the same verse???

      I was saying if two omnipotent beings fought each other hypothetically speaking.

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    • I know some of you have seen me type this already, but in Catharism the anti god Rex Mundi is equal to the abrahamic God, and he is believed to be omnipotent. I know the system does not agree with the concept of omnipotence on this site, but this is basically what they believe.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharism#General_beliefs

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    • not even omnipotence can defeat omnipotence. nothing can.

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    • I never said an omnipotent can defeat another omnipotent. I'm just saying that this fanmade rule that there can only be one needs to die hard.

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    • Step 1: You don't Step 2: Go back to Step 1 

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    • ...Excuse me?

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    • this thread dumdum

      giv me gumgum

      Edit: But yeah, as others have said, especially the thing about the philosopher, you won't find any answers on defeating an omnipotent because that doesn't exist. If they have any chance of losing, they're only nigh-omnipotent, and two omnipotents would functionally be identical. For all our feeble minds know, those two are very well avatars of itself given that singularity is a power.

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    • If he is Omnipotent, then we should not focus on powers, but on other aspects. Knowledge is one example. If we can hurt him in an unrecreatable way, he may die, or be weakened. But all in all, we cannot just defeat omnipotence. 

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    • People, i never said omnipotents can injure each other. The point of the ability is to be absolute in every aspect. So two such beings in one setting would probably just ignore each other.

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    • Seminolesinger2003 wrote:
      No character is undefeatable, and I am a strong believer of that. My friend told me today "It's a lot easier to destroy the seed than the tree it might grow into", so that really got me thinking. 

      One way would be to destroy the singularity of the seed, or the user, by going to a point in time as theyre using a power, and killing them a millisecond after theyre done using it, when theyre rendered weaker. Of course theres a lot that goes into this, this is just the shortest way I could put it. 

      Is there any other way anyone knows? Complicated or not, I'd like to know! thanks!

      alright. Omnipotence when brought into a character battle gets really messy. Omnipotence could either only mean that you hold absolute power in your respective realm/fictional world, or have absolute power in every world, including the real and all of fiction, which is impossible due to copyright reasons and the fact that it is fiction making it not real. To answer your question, for one, no. Going back in time would fail to defeat someone who is omnipotent. If they are omnipotent, they are omnipotent to begin with. They would exist before space/time in their world, and be omnipotent even back then. However, the one troubling thing about omnipotence is that: can they use their absolute power to create something with more power than they do? this is where the argument of omnipotence crashes. If they can, then they are no longer omnipotent, as the being they'd create would be more powerful than they are. If they can't, then they aren't omnipotent in the fact that they cannot create something stronger than them.

      Okay, so we say that omnipotence ignores logic and the sheer fact that someone is omnipotent bends reality in a way that logic breaks down when it's applied to them. Even then, it's impossible to prove omnipotence, because there is no possible way to do everything and not have a completely f**ked fictional world.

      Here is where the dread of the omnipotents-face-off happens. There can only be one; which makes it problematic as a said "omnipotent" would now only have as much power as their greatest feat. For example, creating the universe in such a circumstance would no longer make you omnipotent, only universal+, even if they created it effortlessly, as even then, there would be no real way to prove that their range is any higher than that universe's dimension +1. A 4D being would be considered omnipotent by a 3D entity's perspective, for example.

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    • ...Okay, let me just say that nowhere in philosophical research HAVE I SEEN a statement specifically saying there can only be one omnipotent being. It looks to me that the concept was created by fans in order to better classify characters e.g: galactus has been referred to as being omnipotent numerous times despite being a limited being. 

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    • "galactus has been referred to as being omnipotent"

      Wha? He's very much defeatable, I think the one-omnipotent fanrule is just because of the obvious problem of multiple "supreme ones". If I saw that in a story, I'd just assume they're parts of the same entity or some other force we cannot comprehend.

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    • "Wha? He's very much defeatable"-Which is the point i'm making. You see, in marvel multiple beings have claimed omnipotence, like Odin, who claimed he was omnipotent and omniscient.

      My second point is that an omnipotent does not have to be a ruler of a verse. Omnipotence is defined as having SUPREME POWER, not supreme rule, which is omniarch, which you don't need to be omnipotent to have. Omnipotence is infinite power, but in most if not all cases omnipotent beings are either singular or few and are the rulers of their own verses. Again, looking at philosophy, i assume all these "rules" are fanmade.

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    • No one can really beat a omnipotent being,as it is the power to be supremely above all,even all beings combined in their verse couldn't do anything to this being.But i guess if the omnipotent being wants to be defeated then that's one way to do it.After all omnipotence makes such vulgar displays of power.(having limits are great.)

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    • Jewelraffe wrote: "galactus has been referred to as being omnipotent"

      Wha? He's very much defeatable, I think the one-omnipotent fanrule is just because of the obvious problem of multiple "supreme ones". If I saw that in a story, I'd just assume they're parts of the same entity or some other force we cannot comprehend.

      I think that’s referring to us.

      Like from a human perspective he is. But from other cosmic beings no.

      He’s omnipotent from a mortals perspective. He’s not actually a true omnipotent.

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    • You can’t beat it physically because it’s infinitely powerful

      You can’t beat it tactically because it’s infinitely knowledgeable

      You can’t hide from it because it’s all seeing and omnipresent

      You can’t travel back in time and kill it because it has complete and absolute control over time and space

      There’s nothing you can do against an Omnipotent being, they have zero weaknesses

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    • Cackleviola wrote: You can’t beat it physically because it’s infinitely powerful

      You can’t beat it tactically because it’s infinitely knowledgeable

      You can’t hide from it because it’s all seeing and omnipresent

      You can’t travel back in time and kill it because it has complete and absolute control over time and space

      There’s nothing you can do against an Omnipotent being, they have zero weaknesses

      Agreed. Honestly this thread should end.

      This question has already been settled.

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    • I think we all forget that Omnipotence is a plot device to explain how a universe and everything in it got there when you don't want to fall back on something like a Big Bang. Just look at omnipotent character's as the in universe author and the problem solves itself.

      Unless you're Suggs.

      Nothing can solve that mess of a fictional universe.

      EDIT: Granted this is a simplified way of looking at it, but since most universes in fiction generally have one supreme force or being-even the Cthulhu Mythos-it works pretty well and I think helps cut down on the level of pointless questions people ask in this regard.

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    • There is not a single actually Omnipotent character in fiction

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    • Cackleviola wrote: There is not a single actually Omnipotent character in fiction

      If we're talking about them being proven, then yeah, you're right. It's pretty much impossible to prove without a doubt something is all-powerful, but that's kind of moot to be honest as there are beings a majority of people agree to be all-powerful, including some of the writers who made them. And no I will not list names, that's a waste of time since you're already familiar with what I'm getting at.

      A foolish mentality to be sure, but hey, we live by majority rule and if a majority of people see character's one way, there's a good chance your view and mine won't matter.

      EDIT: Because we aren't the majority. Or vocal enough. Either one.

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    • No I mean that by the simple fact that there are multiple characters considered “omnipotent” there is no such character at all

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    • Cackleviola wrote: No I mean that by the simple fact that there are multiple characters considered “omnipotent” there is no such character at all

      Ah, I see. Well that makes sense to be honest. Gave it some thought and you do have a point. Even in verses like Lord of The Ring's, beings like Eru generally tend to be above everything else-so Omniarch basically-but not technically all-powerful.

      And I will restate a point you and another user made, this thread does need to go.

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    • There is no way to defeat an omnipotent. And yes, there is invincible character.
      Why do people insist on ignoring the description of this page and asking questions that have already been answered?

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    • The Omnipotente wrote: There is no way to defeat an omnipotent. And yes, there is invincible character.
      Why do people insist on ignoring the description of this page and asking questions that have already been answered?

      Some people refuse to believe Omnipotence is Above All.

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    • I can't believe I'm saying this, but I have to agree with some of these people here. It is absolutely impossible to defeat an omnipotent being, regardless of the verse it is in. No fictional character created has been able to best an omnipotent being before. Never had, never will. Sorry, but it is what it is. If said being were to be ultipotent or nigh omnipotent, that might be a different story. Then again, the former would be just as hard to defeat if not impossible. Not trying to change the subject here, but it is impossible to defeat a being with true omnipotence. I rest my case.

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    • Some people also don't understand the true meaning of Omnipotence. They think it's just a level.

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    • You don't beat omnipotence.

      Simple as that.


      /EndThread

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    • And if the omnipotent being is somehow defeated, then they never were omnipotent.

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    • Omnipotence is a lot more than just a level. It is a state of being where the user in question has so much power and authority over the universe (or multiverse/omniverse, depending on the work) that they are everything but beatable. Again, an omnipotent being cannot be defeated. It's not possible, it hasn't been possible, and it never will be possible.

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