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  • *sigh*

    Well, I've made a list of pages that really need seeing to... Bored.gif
    It's definitely incomplete, but I'll add pages to it myself when I see them. Discuss them (I can already see the flames), comment on any you think are missing (I've probably missed a few that I'd agree need adding to the list), whatever... hopefully, they'll all eventually get the necessary deletion attention they deserve. B%C3%B6ser-Smiley.gif

    And for the love of Lucifer, can we please put in place some fucking screens so that stupid/pointless/redundant powers don't creep their way on to the wiki ?

    Pages That Need Deleting
    Pages That Need Redirecting
    Pages That Need A Bloody Proper Looking Look At
    Move The Archetype Pages Off Of The Mainspace (I recommend requesting a new namespace named "Archetype"; see here for more on that)

    Controversial Ones (I won't press these too much—yet)

    P.S. if this all seems like too much effort to undertake, you're what's wrong with this wiki Thumbs_up.gifIce_Cream.gifGoku_lol.gif

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    • While I agree with the powers that need to be deleted, new changes are being discussed, so, I think we should wait till that discussion ends. After that the proposed changes will be discussed on a thread for public scrutiny, so, yeah, we have to wait.

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    • I swear this "new changes" discussion has been going on for weeks... what's the hold up ? Bored.gif
      Surely pages being deleted isn't something that needs discussing at all, it just needs someone to start the process.

      As for public scrutiny, there's no bigger change than the powers that need rejigging or deleting, hence why I've slapped this thread up. I alerted you mods first, cos at the end of the day, you're the ones with the rights to delete pages. But anyone can see this thread, anyone can comment and give their opinion.

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    • You really need to ask the bureaucrats about it because I have no idea if this discussion has even started or whether it will start or not. We admins have actually received no messages about it.

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    • Why would Spark Manipulation need to be deleted, it's its own power. You're making an ill informed statement about why the ones you believe need to be deleted should be deleted. Back to Spark Manipulation, it's an abrupt electrical discharge that occurs when a sufficiently high electric field creates an ionized, electrically conductive channel through a normally-insulating medium, and causes gases to ignite.

      Give a proper description of why they should be deleted, it makes everyone's lives easier.

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    • Erebus Chronus wrote: Why would Spark Manipulation need to be deleted, it's its own power. You're making an ill informed statement about why the ones you believe need to be deleted should be deleted. Back to Spark Manipulation, it's an abrupt electrical discharge that occurs when a sufficiently high electric field creates an ionized, electrically conductive channel through a normally-insulating medium, and causes gases to ignite.

      Give a proper description of why they should be deleted, it makes everyone's lives easier.

      Go and check the pages themselves for my reasons on why I think they should be deleted (unlike most, I actually voice my concerns on this wiki--though it's not often I get a valid response). If I haven't actually said anything on those pages, then it's obvious as to why they should be deleted. Use your nous.

      As for sparks, in and of themselves, they don't do anything. They are literally just a visual by-product of either electricity, fire, friction etc. go check the comments on the page itself, I'm not the only one saying this shit.

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    • Everything except 360-Degree Senses, Spark Manipulation, Speed Defense and Speed Perception should be deleted.

      Also.....GET RID OF POWERLESSNESS

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    • I agree that at least 360-Degree Senses, speed perception and speed defense shouldn't be deleted.

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    • Spark Manipulation shouldn’t be deleted either.

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    • You should also add Neon Teleportation to that deletion list.

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    • No.

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    • Why not? 

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    • Because there’s nothing wrong with it.

      We might as well delete all other elemental teleportation powers by doing it.

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    • But this is the special case, the thing is that the user, Delsin Rowe, is turning himself into neon for super speed, not teleportation. I was the one who made that power and that was a mistake on my part. I didn't see the mistake till way later.

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    • So what? There can still be powers without known users. Just remove Delsin from the page.

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    • You're right, there are pages without users, such as Omni-Creator, Absolute Fusion, Transcendent Werepire Physiology, Imperfection Embodiment, and two more that I don't know.

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    • Well if you guys are alright with it, I'll just remove Delsin from the page.

      Edit: Ok, I removed Delsin now and marked the page as a power with an unknown user.

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    • Great!

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    • Eternal Transcendence,Eternal Evolution,andSuperior Adaptation don't really need redirecting though.

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    • It is just one person's opinion.And that person is not an admin. Demotivator is not the person who decides what powers should go. With that said, we should let Alissa do the deciding on which powers should ultimately go. And those powers that she decides may be deleted may not be the same as the ones Demotivator listed. As you know, we are not going to do things based on what he says or wants.

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    • I believe his own opinions count as nothing more than suggestions.

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    • Arquetion wrote: It is just one person's opinion.And that person is not an admin. Demotivator is not the person who decides what powers should go. With that said, we should let Alissa do the deciding on which powers should ultimately go. And those powers that she decides may be deleted may not be the same as the ones Demotivator listed. As you know, we are not going to do things based on what he says or wants.

      That's fine, i would like to say that the three power have the same concept, just the progression the different.

      EE = Evolve endlessly SA = adapt to anything ET = Transcend "infinite Reality Levels/Stacks" it a time(one by one) endlessly.

      Nekron2,explain this numerous time on the Eternal Transcendence Page. Plus its an Omnipotent Power being the Variation of Meta Transcendence. Its was make to be a power to transcend everything without creasing to existence and the only way to do that was to do it at a finite level. Could you let alissa know this please?

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    • Due to the fact that Demotivator is not an admin himself, he doesn't have the power to remove the power he's listing directly, however, he can share his case with an actual admin, where they can decide whether to remove it or not. Therefore, I agree with Arquetion on letting Alissa make the executive decision on what to do about this situation.

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    • You're all very right, I don't have the roles necessary to delete pages. But regardless of whether I'm an admin or not, my comments will always be suggestions until a good number of people agree to it (cos that's how you run a wiki properly).
      More importantly, can we think like a wiki community and not like a bloody monarchy. I suggested that we have two bureaucrats so that no one person holds all the power on the wiki; cos at the end of the day, bureaucrats and admins are merely users entrusted with extra rights.
      With all that said, we have SEVEN admins on this wiki, SEVEN ! If you're just gonna act like regular users, there's no point having the role. It shouldn't be down to just Alissa to make wiki-wide decisions. I can only assume you were all picked for a valid reason, so stop deferring to a single person and make decisions as a group ! If at least 4 of you agree with a decision, boom, we go with it.


      I'm not gonna bring my arguments for why I think 360-Degree Senses, Speed Defense and Speed Perception should be deleted here, because my reasons are on their respective pages.

      Christ, I forgot about the pages on the Power with no known user category. Might as well add my grievances on them...

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    • Please don’t. That category allows people to get really creative.

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    • I will, it's already been added, I suggest you at least read the reasoning.

      Cos if you wanna get creative with making powers (and OCs), you can do it on an RP wiki, or an RP forum etc where all other fan-made stuff goes.

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    • So you want to remove Omni-Creator?

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    • I want to remove every power on Category:Power with no known user, including Omni-Creator.

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    • ok I can understand that, you have a good point, and I agree with some things in your thread.

      but I still think that these changes will ruin the purpose for which the wiki was created

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    • This wiki is still sinking.

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    • With all due respect Arquetion, but were you even around when this wiki was created for you to be able to say that ?

      As far as I'm concerned, the purpose for which the wiki was created is already ruined by the number of low-quality and outright pointless pages that have been allowed to be put up.

      It's a wiki. Wikis are made to collect and collate information. They are information hubs. If you wanna create new shit, which is absolutely more than fine (I've done it myself), do it on an RP website, your own personal page or even on this wiki's blogs. Hell, it's why there's a sister RP wiki linked to the SPW.

      HA ! Erebus, this wiki sunk years ago...

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    • I understand that, but you're sinking it further below than where it was originally.

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    • I'm gonna say this as politely as I can Erebus... but:

      1. You've been active on this wiki for less than a year.
      2. In all that time, you've amassed less than 100 edits (and I'm damn sure a good number of them aren't even mainspace edits).

      There's little to suggest you've contributed much in the ways of the wiki's running, so I'm not sure how you can say that to anyone.

      It's one thing to disagree with my suggestions, I expected that to happen and that's more than fine (we're all entitled to our own opinions after all). But don't try and say I'm sinking this place further when you haven't seen the shit this wiki's gone through.

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    • He has been on this wiki since 2011, at that time he had no account. so I know firsthand how the wiki was in the past, as I said before I agree with you on some points, but I still think that these changes will do more harm  than good to the wiki

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    • Demotivator wrote: With all due respect Arquetion, but were you even around when this wiki was created for you to be able to say that ?

      As far as I'm concerned, the purpose for which the wiki was created is already ruined by the number of low-quality and outright pointless pages that have been allowed to be put up.

      It's a wiki. Wikis are made to collect and collate information. They are information hubs. If you wanna create new shit, which is absolutely more than fine (I've done it myself), do it on an RP website, your own personal page or even on this wiki's blogs. Hell, it's why there's a sister RP wiki linked to the SPW.

      HA ! Erebus, this wiki sunk years ago...

      I feel this wiki was made so people could enjoy himself with their imagination and show their ideas. Sure at times the some of the staff are unreasonable and some powers are absolutely ridiculous ,but if we had to much power this wiki would be a mess and if the admins had too much power it wouldn't be very fun. Sometimes its best to leave well enough alone.

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    • You can say it in the most polite of ways, but I've been around with no account in the past, watching all your mistakes. At the end of the day, why should I care? It doesn't effect me in the slightest, but I care for those who have worked hard to maintain this wiki. Wanna go see a wiki that hit rock bottom since the beginning? Go visit the Heroes Wiki for about an hour and see all their failures.

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    • You and me both then Arquetion, you and me both.


      This wiki is already a mess ThePirateKing777 and we already went through a period where the admins had too much power when Kuopiofi was in charge. But you're all so used to the status quo, that you're too afraid to change even if it the change is better. Not surprised in that sense...


      "Why should I care?"

      This is exactly the type of attitude that's been this wiki's problem. "Why should I care if it's wrong? I like it wrong! Leave my wrong alone!"
      Yes, you've been around with no account in the past. What good is a bystander who doesn't help when someone is in need ? What good is an accountless user who does nothing when apparently things have gone wrong ?

      I too care for the ones who work hard to maintain this wiki. Hell, I've been one of the ones who have helped maintain this wiki in spells. But you wouldn't have seen that, would you ? You're probably not even aware of the shit I've done behind the scenes...
      I really don't care about other wikis, it's this wiki I'm dedicating time to.

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    • with all demotivating respect but the changes that you propose would ruin the experience of the users of the wiki, both alissa and imouto and others advocate the elimination of many powers, according to them because the wiki already exceeded its purpose, and had such discussions with them and I can tell you for sure that this is the beginning of the end.

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    • And is it not worse to create a change that could lead to a disaster on the wiki? who has been a spectator in the past does not invalidate what I say, stop going through the branches, I do not intend to maintain the status quo, but did you not think about the negative consequences that these changes will have in the future?

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    • Demotivator: If you want to "make a change" to this wiki then go ahead, let's see how far you'll go. Can you become the voice of the voiceless and force the admins to do what you are suggesting ? Because this looks like your just ranting to me, not that there's anything wrong with that.

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    • ...you mean like a shitton of users getting upset over the deleted pages? Because that’s honestly the only consequences I can logically imagine.

      But still, it’s a bad thing.

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    • Like I said, you're all just far too used to the lackadaisical status quo that Kuopiofi set during his tenure as the sole bureaucrat. So when a bit of restriction comes along, you don't like it. If Kuo-bot had actually done his job properly over the years, we probably wouldn't be in this situation right now...
      How I miss Consus and thekingsman...

      Ruin the experience...? Just take your lovely fan-made powers to an RP wiki, like I said. I'm sure you'll all have a whale of a time there with absolutely zero restrictions to block you.

      Beginning of the end ? Don't make me laugh. The end of days has already passed with Kuo's departure. We're just tryna pick ourselves up from the smouldering ashes he left behind.


      Users wouldn't get upset if their powers didn't get the green light to be added in the first place... and considering that most powers get made by the same people...

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    • okay. When the users start to leave because their powers are being eliminated, I will say "I told them", this type of conversation I had with imouto and alissa, unfortunately you do not say anything new that other users have not said with this argument

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    • But can this discussion end already, it's just getting to the point where it's repetitive and unnecessary.

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    • I don't even know who kuopiofi is to be honest. I joined this wiki in August.

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    • Indeed. I also sense a potential flame war.

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    • Demotivator, I would like to say something. As others have said, you are just one out of many users here, and you don't control or make decisions for the Wiki. Alissa and Omuni are the ones who do that. As long as they are in charge, and you are not, and they think the changes they make and everything else that is unaffected by these changes are fine as they are, then you don't have the power to do anything. You may have some points and this Wiki may have its flaws, but most of this is still your point of view, and does not reflect what everyone else thinks. You can try talking to the bureaucrats if you wish, but if they don't see any problems and don't do as you want, don't be upset. That will be the reality, but it won't be the end of the world as you make it out to be, too, as others may be fine with things, even though you're not.

      I don't mean to be belittling, or rude, I am just saying this site is not going to do things just because you want those who are in charge to.

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    • *sigh*

      It's very late and I've been debating too long... Erebus, your last paragraph (which you deleted for some reason) is pretty much my reasoning for the things I'm doing right now. I'd get more into it, but I'm tired...

      It'll be interesting to see what you've all said when I come and view this again... goodnight Sleep.gifSleep.gif

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    • I also have to go to bed.

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    • For the first time today, I'm agreeing with you, it's getting late and on the contrary, I do have better things to do, not like all of you don't. Just end this please, it has the potential to make a lot of people angry.

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    • Well i guess that's that then. Goodnight all.

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    • CrystalStorm51, that comment tells me you aren't on the Discord basically at all. What Demo's saying is the majority opinion of people on that server, and we talk about it all the time. Omuni and Alissa are admins, but the wiki is a community effort. Admins are supposed to sort things out according to the desires of the community, and I can tell you know that there is PLENTY of push for this. It's not "just Demos opinion". It's a valid perspective, and you're dismissing of his points as "just being his opinion alone" is honestly toxic to community efforts such as a wiki. Your entire comment reeks of a condescending attitude of "admins know best". I'll quote the Rules of This Wiki for Admins (that this discussion is actually on the page of):

      Remember that admin is just someone who is trusted to have a few extra buttons and to use them for the benefit of the Wikia community.

      If you think being an admin means being able to override other people's opinions with your mighty buttons, you should resign.

      This is an open forum for discussion for people to voice their thoughts, and I wholeheartedly agree with Demo on this. We need to develop an actual guideline for what "powers" are. That way we don't have to play this game again, and we can just compare the new questionable entry to our powers litmus test. We need more centralized policy to compare new content to in general, because then we can make choices based on defined principle instead of arbitrary chaos.

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    • @Necrotifice:I wasn't trying to override anyone;s opinions. There may have been a bit of miscommunication. I didn't mean to be dismissing and condescending (nor was I trying to be), and I never said he couldn't voice his thoughts and views. All I was saying, as others have said, is that it isn't his choice. Agree with him if you will, but that doesn't change the fact that, though he is free to voice his thoughts, he is still not in charge of what happens here. It is the bureaucrats who do that.

      You have the wrong idea on what I was trying to do here. I did say he did have some points and that the Wiki did have some flaws, even if I did say may. Arquetion is not in agreement with Demotivator, and I am not in agreement with Demotivator as well. That doesn't mean he is wrong, but we're not doing things his way just because he says so.

      P.S.: I have gone onto Discord before, and I even talked to Alissa about the changes before, so please don't be assumptive about things.

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    • He isn't saying we should do things this way because he says so, he posted it as a discussion. This is how you build consensus - you provide an open forum and gauge people's thoughts.

      You're saying I have the wrong idea about you for thinking you're trying to shut down his views, but where does he say that he should be treated as the Wiki's dictator like you're saying? He doesn't - he's created a forum post and is looking for people's input, then engaging with people based on their responses. That's a discussion, this is how things are actually supposed to be done. Get input from people with different positions in the community, then the admins look at the discussion and execute on the will of the community.

      Frankly, it's hard not to read between the lines that you're trying to pull rank and quash dissenting opinions with it. You mention the fact that you're speaking "as admin", you try to tell him that's "tough. That's the reality here", and you remind him that he's not in charge while simultaneously citing your own authority "as admin" in the same post. Go back and read that to yourself out loud. The meaning behind the words is very clear, and it's poisonous brow beating that leverages your rank.

      It seems to me like you need to be more guarded against your own opinions and ego when talking as an admin - remember, it's okay to have your own stances and positions, but it's not okay to use your rank to try and force things to go your way. I know that can be a tenuous balance to strike, but that's what it means to have respect for your position.

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    • I could have worded it better, but I am sure my point still stands.

      Also, nice try with putting words in my mouth. I never said he couldn't make this topic to get input, nor did I say he anything about being treated as this Wiki's dictator. Also, when I said "as an admin", I did not mean it in a condescending or dismissing way. I meant it as saying "I would like to remind you, kindly about things" and not in a "your opinion is wrong/I'm better than you" kind of way. You're just blowing it out of proportion. I was never using my rank for anything.

      You seem awfully sensitive about what I was saying to the point of being assumptive. If I did try to be dismissive and condescending, I would have made it clear. BUT, all I was doing was trying to kindly and calmly tell him the reality of the situation, nothing more.

      Also, seeing as we have not interacted with each other much, it is obvious you don't know me well. If you did, you would see that I am a much better person than this. Obviously, it may be hard to tell with just text alone.

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    • When you say "as an admin" it's pulling rank. It's speaking with authority. Maybe this is your first time in a position like this, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

      Yes, I am sensitive about what people given a positions of authority do. You'd be foolish not to, and you should always question power. That's a basic aspect of being a critical thinker. You're going to be criticized for the things you say, and you need to be more careful about swinging your weight around. I say this as an experienced admin and as someone who has some experience in project management and in leadership positions, and not as some way to spite you but in hopes for you to see why your post garnered my response.

      I didn't put any words in your mouth. You as much as accuse him of trying to be the wikia's dictator when you say " As others have said, you are just one out of many users here, and you don't control or make decisions for the Wiki ". Your statement here would require him to be, from your perspective, attempting to boss people around. My saying you're calling him a dictator is a summation of a previous thing you said, I'm not making things you said up.

      I can accept that you may not have intended for the tone of your post to be what it was, but the fact that you edited it and pulled out pieces that I mentioned above proves to me that you agree that it came across wrong. Otherwise, why else would you have edited it?

      I have no idea about you as a person, and frankly I don't care about your personal self-assessment. Almost everyone thinks of themselves as being "good", and frankly it's a trap. If you're fundamentally a "good person" then you can justify away the things you do. I'm basing my position and thoughts on what I have seen before me only.

      I'm not that interested in carrying on a discussion about this. I think I've made my point, and I'm not sure anything productive would come of further quibbling over what's been said here. It's not the point of this post - it's to discuss and bring awareness to some pages that are bad business. If you wanna continue to hash this out, you can find me on the Discord as Necrotech, or as Necrotech#1326.

      In summary - I don't think you were necessarily trying to abuse power, I just think your post sounded like it. You edit suggests to me that you thought so, too. I think this is a good place to discuss the points made in the original post, and that doing so will help build a case for and against the proposal.

      edit: literally just grammar, but it's late so not that much of a fix

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    • I think we should add Apathy to the list. It's just personal Emotion Negation. If you actually have Emotion Negation on yourself as a power, that's legit. But most of the examples in the Apathy page are just people who are apathetic, as in the personality trait. I don't think being apathetic should be a power.

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    • What this wikia really needs is a Naming Scheme for Powers.

      Also, I do think Powers without Users should be allowed, simply because you never know when that power will pop up in some type of media in the future.

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    • Is this still going on?

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    • While other changes will come into effect in the future. For now, please take notice of Minimum Requirements for a Superpower, and the Superpower Page Cleanup Mission

      Definitely take note of the later, as I have started the process of systematically cleaning up superpower pages that do not fit the new and approved requirements and standard. So for anything not already seen, deleted, or kept, please comment powers you'd like me, and us, to look at for potential deletion.

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    • I think that this thread should be closed and all the the discussions should rather take place on your blog-  Superpower Page Cleanup Mission as discussing things on two different things will create confusion which is not a good thing. So, I am closing the thread, we should discuss everything at the said blog instead.

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