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  • From my  understanding of the powers, Meta Transcendence is the power to transcend anything of the users choice with the only down side being if you choose to transcend all limitations then you erase yourself.

    and with Eternal Transcendence, the user is transcending infinitely while keeping their individuality, with the down side being that you can't transcend all limitation.

    i say Eternal Transcendence wins, what do you think?

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    • I think so Eternal Transcendence acquires Meta Transcendence without erasing yourself and then surpassing even Meta Transcendence

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    • Yea i think so too.

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    • so the answer suggests itself that Eternal Transcendence is at least stronger than Meta Transcendence

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    • I will try to explain both powers according to my knowledge, you know, Evey power here based on one user, you watch anime (TV series, movies or read manga/book/light novel or play game ...etc) and see cool superpower and then you create new entry for it in this wiki based on the power of that user, Meta Transcendence based on "Featherine Augustus Aurora".

      For those that aren't familiar with Featherine she is from series called Umineko (when they cry) and she is a very powerful being.

      I'll try to give a Simplified layman's terms of the cosmology and the infinite hierarchy abyss:

      The Infinite Hierarchical Abyss:

      Realm_of_withes.png

      just imagine power level from 1 -to- Infinite, where 1 is powerless and Infinite the level of god, in her world she transcended the realm of witches and reached the realm of the Creator, but she only touched the last boundary. Anyone who actually becomes part of the Creator is completely erased, due to loss of all restrictions, including life, death, and meaning. and that where the limitation (Limits being self-defining, users are likely to hold back a lot to preserve their sense of self and meaning.) came from.

      Creator domain:

      Featherine is powerful and due to essentially touching the barest portion of the Creator's realm/true self, but not fully entering so as not to be consumed by it. Featherine is still limited by a sense of self, which one loses when they become part of the "Creator". Since you are no longer you, but merely another part of something that is 0. This sense of meaning stops her from being completely omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient.

      All who join the creator and Transcendence eveything are erased and become true limitless|Boundless https://i.imgur.com/teWi6Xi.jpg


      Eternal Transcendence you will walk that infinite hierarchy step by step for Eternity to reach the Creator domain.


      so it's up to you, do you like the journey to the last step and like to spend your time (Eternal Transcendence) or do you want to jump immediately to the last step without spend Eternity (Meta_Transcendence)

      Both lead to the same destinastion and both at the last step you will need lose your individuality to be limitless

      with the down side being that you can't transcend all limitation.
      

      That not entirely true, as you reach the last level/step you will transcend all limitation.

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    • I still think that Eternal Transcendence is better

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    • Eckareot wrote: I still think that Eternal Transcendence is better

      Eternal Transcendence is just a variation of Meta Transcendence. both are equall.

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    • DeuzExMachina wrote:
      I will try to explain both powers according to my knowledge, you know, Evey power here based on one user, you watch anime (TV series, movies or read manga/book/light novel or play game ...etc) and see cool superpower and then you create new entry for it in this wiki based on the power of that user, Meta Transcendence based on "Featherine Augustus Aurora".

      For those that aren't familiar with Featherine she is from series called Umineko (when they cry) and she is a very powerful being.

      I'll try to give a Simplified layman's terms of the cosmology and the infinite hierarchy abyss:

      The Infinite Hierarchical Abyss:

      Realm_of_withes.png

      just imagine power level from 1 -to- Infinite, where 1 is powerless and Infinite the level of god, in her world she transcended the realm of witches and reached the realm of the Creator, but she only touched the last boundary. Anyone who actually becomes part of the Creator is completely erased, due to loss of all restrictions, including life, death, and meaning. and that where the limitation (Limits being self-defining, users are likely to hold back a lot to preserve their sense of self and meaning.) came from.

      Creator domain:

      Featherine is powerful and due to essentially touching the barest portion of the Creator's realm/true self, but not fully entering so as not to be consumed by it. Featherine is still limited by a sense of self, which one loses when they become part of the "Creator". Since you are no longer you, but merely another part of something that is 0. This sense of meaning stops her from being completely omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient.

      All who join the creator and Transcendence eveything are erased and become true limitless|Boundless https://i.imgur.com/teWi6Xi.jpg


      Eternal Transcendence you will walk that infinite hierarchy step by step for Eternity to reach the Creator domain.


      so it's up to you, do you like the journey to the last step and like to spend your time (Eternal Transcendence) or do you want to jump immediately to the last step without spend Eternity (Meta_Transcendence) Both lead to the same destinastion and both at the last step you will need lose your individuality to be limitless

      with the down side being that you can't transcend all limitation.
      

      That not entirely true, as you reach the last level/step you will transcend all limitation.

      Well, sure you have a point it maybe time consuming, but theres no guarantee that it will be a slow process, so we can't say it will take Eternity. for all we know it can take a second.

      a user of ET could probably transcend as quick as MT with the only downside being that they can't stop transcending even if they want to as its in their nature to do so.

      and a user of ET could absolutely reach the realm of creator and continue to transcend even that. In the capabilites section it says the user will be able to keep their individuality, allow the user to transcend forever in the first place. 

      ET is the power featherine wishes she had as she would /will be able to reach the creator's realm (without losing her individuality) and possibly even transcend it, become the new creator and still keep rising higher.

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    • DeuzExMachina: Plus,when i mean "will never transcend all limitation" i mean a user of ET will never be free of their sense of self. They'll never transcend their individuality which is a good thing.

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    • is not a fact

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    • Eckareot wrote:
      is not a fact

      What's not a fact?

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    • not a fact that will never surpass all restrictions

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    • Well, yes ET will surpass everything but it will not lose individuality. It say that in the capabilites and probably why the only limitation of ET is that it will never transcend all limitation as MT can but if a user of MT does it then they erase themselves.

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    • I personally do not like the forces that give you everything at once

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    • ET users will eventually transcend time so it won't take eternity.

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    • Meta Transcendence seems a lot more convenient, at you can freely choose which limit to transcend and in which way, change your mind at any moment and redefine yourself as you see fit.

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    • Well, it debatable. Both have their flaws.

      What you said is right however With Meta Transcendence if you choose to transcend all limitations then you erase yourself

      And with Eternal Transcendence, the user can’t stop transcending even if they wanted to.

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    • True, with the first you can get anything at any time, but if you get too greedy and go all the way, you basically disappear forever. And considering that "transcending everything" is a huge temptation ego-wise and the power comes without manual, MT kinda feels like a death trap that would probably end up killing most of its users.

      The second seems to come with lot of loss and grieving, since you endlessly leave behind everything you've come to know, and basically lose the ability to even relate to the life you had and people you loved because of the constant major change of perspective. Sure, you would soon transcend sorrow and regrets, but an eternity of losing everything you come to care about still feels pretty depressing.

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    • Si el propósito es no perder tu individualidad o tu esencia ambos están parejos, ya los dos se detienen en trascender todas las limitaciones por decisión propia o porque no pueden. Pero si hablamos del más fuerte meta trascendencia es mejor 

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    • to be honest, there both the same. Just achieved through different methods. One already has all limitations gone while the other is eternaly transcending all limitations. At the end of the day, there the same. 

      Because of this, it shouldn't be who is stronger. because in the long run they'll be the same power, equal. Both overcoming all limitations.

      Because of this, the only way to regard which one is stronger would be which is the weakest the longest. That would eternal trancdent because before they transcendent all limtis they must be in a state in which they have not overcome at LEAST one limit. For if they already did before they can surpase all limits,. Then they cant transcendent, therefore being the same as Meta transcdent.

      SO, since we got that out of the way. eternal transcdent is gonna have to the L in this one. Since its the weakest the longest.

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    • Mcfat10 wrote: to be honest, there both the same. Just achieved through different methods. One already has all limitations gone while the other is eternaly transcending all limitations. At the end of the day, there the same. 

      Because of this, it shouldn't be who is stronger. because in the long run they'll be the same power, equal. Both overcoming all limitations.

      Because of this, the only way to regard which one is stronger would be which is the weakest the longest. That would eternal trancdent because before they transcendent all limtis they must be in a state in which they have not overcome at LEAST one limit. For if they already did before they can surpase all limits,. Then they cant transcendent, therefore being the same as Meta transcdent.

      SO, since we got that out of the way. eternal transcdent is gonna have to the L in this one. Since its the weakest the longest.

      Bro, what are you talking about?

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    • I also do not quite understand how he

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    • SunlightSoul123 wrote:

      Mcfat10 wrote: to be honest, there both the same. Just achieved through different methods. One already has all limitations gone while the other is eternaly transcending all limitations. At the end of the day, there the same. 

      Because of this, it shouldn't be who is stronger. because in the long run they'll be the same power, equal. Both overcoming all limitations.

      Because of this, the only way to regard which one is stronger would be which is the weakest the longest. That would eternal trancdent because before they transcendent all limtis they must be in a state in which they have not overcome at LEAST one limit. For if they already did before they can surpase all limits,. Then they cant transcendent, therefore being the same as Meta transcdent.

      SO, since we got that out of the way. eternal transcdent is gonna have to the L in this one. Since its the weakest the longest.

      Bro, what are you talking about?

      I basically stating that there the same power. in the end they both have no limits on them, right? So in end there equal. Because of this the only way to 'reduce" which one is stronger is by looking at which one is weaker in the beginning. And eternal transcendence is weaker in  the beginning since it has to have a limit so it can transcendence it. Thereby reducing eternal transcendence is weaker.

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    • and yet, Eternal Transcendence has more potential than Meta Transcendence and Eternal Transcendence is good in that there is much to break up at the beginning

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    • @ Mcfat10, Who says Meta-Transcendence also doesn’t have a beginning or starting point bruh. And an order for a meta-transcendence to be affective they always need to be limited in someway since if they transcend all limitations they cease to exist due to lack of self meaning or individuality bruh.

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    • SunlightSoul123 wrote:
      @ Mcfat10, Who says Meta-Transcendence also doesn’t have a beginning or starting point bruh. And an order for a meta-transcendence to be affective they always need to be limited in someway since if they transcend all limitations they cease to exist due to lack of self meaning or individuality bruh.

      yes, while that is true. They do the ability to have no limits on them if necessary or wanted. I think it really depends on the user if they want to actually put limits on them in the first place. However, in a scenario where they were to go all out I would put  my money on Meta-Transcendence as from the very beginning  it would have no limit on it since it can CHOOSE to not have any limit on it while eternal you have to actually WAIT for it to overcome all transcdence its limits.


      Edit: I realized our understanding of the power Meta-Transcendence is different from each other.

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    • @Mcfat10, User of Eternal Transcendence transcend the concept of time bruh, so there’s no need to wait. It doesn’t matter about how they were in the beginning. The power was made after SCP 3812’s Transcendence so basically if you’re stronger or exist on a higher level than a user of eternal transcendence then they automatically transcend or supersede you regardless of who you are. (Except if you’re an omnipotent being that is bruh.) they’ll keep doing this until there’s nothing to transcend but themselves and They’ll keep doing this for all eternity bruh.

      Plus our understanding is not really that different Bruh. Meta-transcendence is personal boundary transcending they can transcend any limitation they want and add-on limitations to themselves for a simpler life or better self defining.

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    • then Meta Transcendence is better than Eternal Transcendence but worse than Boundary Manipulation as it is Sub-power of Boundary Manipulation.

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    • I swore I typed a long reply why isn't it showing up?



      Well if it doesn't show up, ama sum it up, bascily I reread Meta Transcendence and it states that a "User transcends all limitations, weaknesses and boundaries of all nature."  which why is why I understand why its imited to  "Self-limits" and how eternal transcdence beats meta transdence, However this doesn't explain why Meta Transcendence states that it has "the ability to transcend all limitations." which if it could then it could simply go all out and beat Eternal transcend as it doesn't need a limit to exist as it doesn't need to "Transcend." limits as it already "has". but the power clearly states it transdence all limitations, weaknesses and boundaries of all nature.

      So there evidence going either way. But I do see what your getting at here

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    • @ Mcfat10, Like I said bruh, if they transcend all limitations of all nature then that will lead to self annihilation bruh. So a Meta Transcendence user can’t go all out because of that my guy, they’ll erase themselves. That’s the one and only limitation for it.

      Meanwhile The limitations for ET are not much of real limitations bruh.

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    • if the user Meta Transcendence overcomes the whole nature then it will completely destroy him and if the user Eternal Transcendence also overcomes the whole nature it will completely destroy him too but he will overcome and this will exceed further

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    • SunlightSoul123 wrote:
      @ Mcfat10, Like I said bruh, if they transcend all limitations of all nature then that will lead to self annihilation bruh. So a user can’t go all out because of that my guy, they’ll erase themselves. That’s the one and only limitation for it.

      Meanwhile The limitations for ET are not much of real limitations bruh.

      I don't think the power states that if Meta Transcendence went all out that they would destroy themselves. They can go all out, I just stated that if they limited to self limitations. which evidence suggests, would be weaker as  Eternal Transcendence will escape ALL limtions. As Meta Transcendence escapes all self limtions not all.



      They wouldn't destroy themselves only "loose" self meaning. But it really depends on the user who has Meta Transcendence. Of course there's evidence that says Meta Transcendence can overcome all limitations too. So its really a crosssplit for me.

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    • Alright Bruh.

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    • so what's so good about it

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    • Eckareot wrote:
      so what's so good about it

      which one?

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    • yes there is nothing

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    • probably a joke, but thats not what..nvm

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    • A FANDOM user
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