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  • The One (Henology) - Plotinus taught that there is a supreme, totally transcendent "One", containing no division, multiplicity, or distinction; beyond all categories of being and non-being. is the source of the world—but not through any act of creation, willful or otherwise, since activity cannot be ascribed to the unchangeable, immutable One.

    The All (Hermeticism) - (also called The One, The Absolute, The Great One, The Creator, The Supreme Mind, The Supreme Good, The Father, and The All Mother) is the Hermetic, pantheistic, pandeistic or panentheistic (and thus also panpsychism/monopsychism/unus mundus/anima mundi) view of God, which is that everything that is, or at least that can be experienced, collectively makes up The All. The All's mind can be seen as infinitely more powerful and vast than any of us could hope to achieve.

    Shangdi (Shang theology) - is the Chinese term for "Supreme Deity" or "Highest Deity" in the theology of the classical texts, especially deriving from Shang theology.

    Tian (Zhou theology) - the equivalent of Shangdi from Shang theology. It is is one of the oldest Chinese terms for heaven and a key concept in Chinese mythology, philosophy, and religion. The Chinese referred to their supreme god as Shàngdì (上帝, "Lord on High") or Dì (帝,"Lord"). During the following Zhou dynasty, Tiān became synonymous with this figure.

    The Tao - is a Chinese word signifying the "way", "path", "route", "road" or sometimes more loosely "doctrine", "principle" or "holistic beliefs".[1] In the context of East Asian philosophy and East Asian religions, Tao is the natural order of the universe whose character one's human intuition must discern in order to realize the potential for individual wisdom. This intuitive knowing of "life" cannot be grasped as a concept; it is known through actual living experience of one's everyday being. the Tao is not a "name" for a "thing" but the underlying natural order of the Universe whose ultimate essence is difficult to circumscribe due to it being non-conceptual yet evident in one's being of aliveness. The Tao is "eternally nameless" (Tao Te Ching-32. Laozi) and to be distinguished from the countless "named" things which are considered to be its manifestations, the reality of life before its descriptions of it. (SageM was actually the one that brought this up a while back but nobody seem to respond to it)

    Gitche Manitou (Algonquian Mythology) - The Supreme Being of Algonquian Mythology who acts as the equivalent of the Christian God.

    Bague (Muisca Mythology) - is the Great Creative Mother of the Universe in Muisca mythology. She is the intangible, she is the thought, imagination and strength that came. In Her and in her thinking, there is everything that exists today. In the time of unquyquie nxie, when Bague thought, his thought became a work. Before this there was nothing. Thus Bague, the great grandmother created the makers and trainers of the universe and gave them the order to begin the creation of the universe. The great grandmother created the makers and rulers of the universe , like Chiminigagua who created space and time.

    And finally

    Supreme Consciousness (Idol Mahou Shoujo Chiruchiru Michiru) - Some higher essence, living somewhere "above". Even for local gods (gods of separate worlds-universes), this entity is incomprehensible and his will is absolute. Even though the Supreme Being usually plays the role of observer, if necessary, it can interfere to the real world(In-Fiction not literally). The spectrum of this intervention is infinitely wide - from healing the sick and raising the dead, to a complete change of all events in the whole world (the universe). Can make real any event in any world, no matter how unlikely it was. Can influence the events occurring in any of the worlds. If necessary, can rollback all of the events in the whole world (the universe). If it desires, it can completely control the life of any creature in any world as if he is a writer, and this being is a character in his history. If it desires, it can completely wipe out the existence of any creature in any world. Can give a tiny fraction of its power to any creature, which is enough to make this creature a God of his world with unlimited powers and Although initially the Supreme Being has no form, it can still take some kind of form, when going to the real world.

    Terribly sorry if this is so long. I’ll leave it to your judgment if all of these users qualify to be truly omnipotent.

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    • The One is the same principle as the Monad and The Creator.

      Its not so much an entity or being, as it is the basic principle/status of total Unity.

      In fact the basic tenets regarding the definition of the Monad imply that it and the One are the same exact thing, just with different viewpoints.

      Even the other name for the Monad is The One.

      So that example is pretty much covered. As for the others its a little harder to tell, though I do believe the All was listed once before on Omnipotence, before users list was trimmed to a more respectable size by the other staff members.

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    • Gotcha.

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    • Actually I’m leaning towards adding Supreme Consciousness (Idol Mahou Shoujo Chiruchiru Michiru) to the Metapotence page just for safe measure.

      But lets see what Necrotifice thinks before I act.

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    • The Hen/The One (Henology): Isn't exactly a being, it's more like the supreme Platonic Ideal from which all other things are emanated from. It's kinda complicated and has a lot to do with the Platonic understanding of existence (that all things are imperfect emanations of their ideal form), but it's notable that the Monad is NOT the same as the One. The One isn't necessarily an intelligent thing. Saying the Monad, the One, and the Creator are all the same thing is ignoring a lot of the lore and philosophy around these figures. There's definitely relationships between the ideas, but saying they are all the same is a gross oversimplification. The Monad and The All are fairly alike, but the One is vastly different. It is worth noting that The Hen/The Monad both translate to "The One" in English, which could cause some confusion. That doesn't mean they are exactly the same thing.

      The All (Hermeticism) is a weird one. Partially because Hermeticism has persisted through several religions, and so the exact nature of The All is a bit muddied as a result of it. The relationship between the Monad and The All are complicated, and I'm not super interested in writing an essay about it. The main takeaway is that they are definitely similar, though in greek thought the Monad is basically the point/number/thing which all numbers come from and from which reality then sprouts, while while The All is more like a thing that we are a part of and makes up reality. The Hermetic understanding is that everything is in The All, and The All is in everything. It's kind of a being, but it's also all of reality. The Monad is more like a point or originating thing. Also, the Monad isn't necessarily Omnipotent, and people really need to quit thinking that every single Creator MUST be Omnipotent.

      Shangdi is not a person. It's more like a title? It's also the word that people use to describe the Abrahamic God in Chinese. It just means the God above all things, but what exactly that is in reference to depends greatly on context.

      Tian is the word that replaced Shangdi. It usually refers to Heaven, but Mandarin is very complex and like Shangdi what Tian means exactly will depend on context. It could mean anything from "forehead" to "supreme god". Usually it means Heaven and divinity from what I can tell, but I'm not an expert on Chinese myth.

      Gitche-Manitou is basically the top-rung Creator spirit, but I don't see anywhere that it's necessarily Omnipotent. Christian missionaries translated their God to Gitche Manitou, but that's kinda standard practice to link your religion up to some aspect of the people you are proselytizing to in order to draw a connection between your faith and theirs and welcome your ideas.

      The Bague is another case where they are definitely the creator, but creator does not mean the same thing as Omnipotence. That's a very western view of it, but you need to kinda throw out the idea that the creator of the universe MUST be Omnipotent. That doesn't have to be the case, there's no reason to assume the Bague is omnipotent. Also, don't come at me with this VsBattle Wiki BS. You literally copied that text from there. If you're going to copy shit from them, at least pay attention to what's there - they don't rank her anywhere NEAR Omnipotent.

      Supreme Consciousness: Oh boy, more shit literally just copied from VsBattle. I'm mildly salty that I'm spending like an hour or so responding to and double-checking my knowledge, leaning on my readings about existential philosophies and mythology, and checking your claims when you're just copy/pasting things from VsBattle. No, Supreme Consciousness isn't Omnipotent. Omnipotent doesn't just mean the biggest thing in your verse, it means absolute complete power totally unable to be defied, and utterly without limitation. If there is EVER any time that a character has to do something a certain way, that they can't do something, etc. then they ARE NOT OMNIPOTENT.

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    • All right then. In your opinion how exactly would A Being be qualified for omnipotence?

      I was certain that a good portion of these users would qualify for it.

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    • It's honestly a pretty rare thing in fiction to find true omnipotence. You would have to be totally all-powerful, undefiable, able to do all things without limit. Go really read the Omnipotence page - it's not just "Is the creator of the universe" (and in fact omnipotence does not require you to be the creator of anything), it's a lot more than that.

      You have to be totally undefiable, invinicible, completely unable to be affected in any way you don't want, able to do all things utterly and completely to the maximum (and beyond) ability.

      Also, honestly, we can only write "God" so many ways in Omnipotence. It basically only exists in monotheism. Like, I don't think adding more KUs to it really enhances people's understanding of Omnipotence.

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    • Also since you copy/pasted most of this from VsBattle wiki and they didn't list those users as omnipotent I don't know why you thought they would be omnipotent?

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    • I see. But with that I really don’t see much of a difference from Metapotence then.

      I was always told that one of Metapotence definitions was being omnipotent without the God status.

      It gave me the impression that the god status is a must requirement to be a user of omnipotence or at least The user would have a unique connection with absolutely everything and they’re setting.

      Just goes to show you that A lot of people have different views on the omnipotence topic.

      Also just because VS Battle doesn’t List of those supreme beings as tier 0 doesn’t make them outright weak. They determine the tiering of characters based on feats, statements, scaling, etc. I simply thought they were omnipotent because of their power and status within their respective verse.

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    • I have no idea who is telling you that Metapotence is Omnipotence minus God status? That's not even close to how that works. Metapotence is just a variation on omnipotence. It's the power to make things happen in defiance of logic - it requires no causal link to make it happen, it just does. A user of metapotence can make a rock that they cannot break, and they can break that rock if they want to. Technically everyone with Omnipotence status can do this, but Metapotence can be thought of as "simple omnipotence" - things happens because they say so/will it with no obvious mechanism for how or why.

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    • “Metapotence is just a variation on omnipotence. It's the power to make things happen in defiance of logic“

      Sounds like Logic Defiance.

      But anyway, Thanks for enlightening me.

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    • thanks @Necrotifice now i truly understand what metapotence is, hahaha.

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