Hi, welcome to Superpower Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Vector Manipulation page!
2 versions of ogre?
No it wan't deliberate, i initially only inteded for one Ogre Physiology to be present. the Phisiology was a mistake on my part. One i don't know how to fix. I saw that Phisiology was supposed to be a candidate for deletion but... --Loki 71 21:45, March 16, 2012 (UTC)
I've been editing Mythic Physiology's Variations and finished this today, as the maker of the page, what's your opinion? I tried to keep it as close to details from Wikipedia as possible, with a few facts from TV tropes added.
Why would you think anyone was going to delete this? (CNBA3)
Because people are always undoing my edits and i'm trying to make a valid point with this one. (Loki 71)
Because giant ages aren't mentioned that much, expect in RPGs and even those go from shorter than human to centuries. Adding anything that deals with aging on Applications is like saying all rodents live, say, five years when they go from year to around ten. --Kuopiofi (talk) 14:41, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
They were spirits of strong winds and storm-gusts, nothing to do with lightning.
As far as I know, they never ate anything that couldn't be eaten by humans or attacked by biting, so please, unless you can point a source about those powers to me leave them. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:51, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
ES: "possess extensive knowledge of surveillance", ie. know how to perform surveillance
SFG: "generate a field that can be used to detect all that occupies it", ie. create supernaturally a field that can be used to survey. Association maybe but not Application. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:48, December 19, 2013 (UTC)
Neon gas isn't laser, this is about manipulating the periodic element and nothing else. If he can do that it just means he has two powers, one to control neon, other to control laser.
Seriously, first thing on my Talk page is about Signature... is it really that hard to miss.
Because one power is about manipulating the periodic element neon, other is about laser which is form of light. If someone can use both that's because they have both powers and not because they are directly linked, only connection between them is that you can use neon to produce certain types of gas laser. --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:18, December 21, 2013 (UTC)
what do you call any animal before it's domesticated? cats were wild, dogs were wild pft! humans were wild at one time. how can that not fit with her?Loki 71 (talk) 14:18, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
"wild animals", not ones that may or may not be domesticated at some point. why didn't you post that to my Talk-page?
Second point being that Beat Manipulation includes mythical beast on it instead of simply animals, and I must say that there's really good reason to remove all Users just for that. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:43, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
the gods of old has just as much leeway over the mystical realms as they did the natural world. Pan was a satyr, poseidon had the hippocampi, zeus had hold over the harpies and hades has the furies in his pocket. Plus the God of War series is just as good an indicator of which as any to the accommodating; including sirens, chimera, manticores minotaurs, gorgons, krakens, hydra, the sphinx. it goes on and not just in the GoW franchise either.Loki 71 (talk) 16:58, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
not sure if i'm the right guy to ask but go ahead and shoot.Loki 71 (talk) 01:21, December 29, 2013 (UTC)
well, technically no. it only bends them and thats only ever so slightly like. to the point of almost being not at all. Probability stems around altering chance or happenstance for individuals be it yourself or others, it's more about turning the tables on chance to your favor rather than twisting the parameters of universal testament. but i guess that can depend on the level of power one might possess though that also largely relies on other factors too.
no not really.Loki 71 (talk) 01:51, December 29, 2013 (UTC)
testament, you know? law, order, guidline, unspoken border that kind of thing.Loki 71 (talk) 02:25, December 29, 2013 (UTC)
Say, just to ask, how can Probability Manipulation be used to deflect objects in flight in a plotergeist like fashion? How does the object even deflect? Storycutter999 (talk) 23:50, December 29, 2013 (UTC)
Well it can't do this directly. but through a series of circumstantial events caused by their power lets say.... in a firefight a gas main explodes and sheets of steel fly everywhere? one object in flight (the bullet) is staved off from user of said power by a luckily misplaced ballistic metal plate shard (ruptured tank) while he's either making a getaway or counter attacking. but to be honest it's kinda hard to say. all i do know is that it can't work under influence but knowing a little chaos theory or accelerated probability to know how things will work out might do it.Loki 71 (talk) 00:44, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
pretty much. but that somthing could be anything but it would also be utterly random.Loki 71 (talk) 00:44, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
Oh, okay then.
uh, no. thats only time manipulation. Affecting probability only effects the present.Loki 71 (talk) 23:35, December 31, 2013 (UTC)
It's not the manipulation of time itself but the manipulation of events that happend pre-tense before our lifetime. It is going back to an exact point where somthing that happend before everything we knew came to be, that will automatically alter both our lives and the way the world works due to how continuity shapes itself around said event.
That i don't really know, where'd you here that at?Loki 71 (talk) 00:56, January 1, 2014 (UTC)
Well yea ti should, sort of. Technically while you can't directly alter other dimensions, it's possible to ride thier streams back to their origin point and interact with them that way.
(Sigh) look it doesnt have to be an overly complicated explination of the killer aspect, most all viscious monster have murderous instincs and insideous version of the harpy is a good example of which. it doesn't have nor need the killing intent, weapon proficiency, or enhanced assassination skills... the point is they're vicious as all hell. Besides a few good examples follow GOW harpies, the movie Clash of the titans, and Monet from one piece; she prectically ebbed with killing instinct not to mention she and the rest of them could scare the crap outta people.Loki 71 (talk) 19:59, January 4, 2014 (UTC)
Seriously, if you want me to answer next time, use my Talk-page instead of posting on your own. I've already mentioned it once before on this page, so I won't even bother checking if you've been answering here again.
well your not exactlu easy to contact so forgive me or don't but I do what I can cuz it's all i know.
If you are there, would Event Manipulation be able to cause things like landslides, earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, avalances, volcanic eruptions, floods and tidal waves quickly or instantly? Storycutter999 (talk) 21:41, January 11, 2014 (UTC)
Actually thats quite possible, at least through phenomenon inducement and probability manipulations of said power. But it might take some time to take effect so probably not instantly.Loki 71 (talk) 21:47, January 11, 2014 (UTC)
hard to say, because unless one can directly cause said effect to occure instead of controling said events to make the desired end result meet it could take some time to bring about the full effect of the desired disaster.
So, it would take time if there had to be a series of events to be manipulated to produce the desired result, and that Event Manipulation can't cause those things to happen directly? Storycutter999 (talk) 21:58, January 11, 2014 (UTC)
technically no.Loki 71 (talk) 22:00, January 11, 2014 (UTC)
i'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that time rates vary but to be honest i'm neither certain nor doubtful that it can.Loki 71 (talk) 00:20, January 12, 2014 (UTC)
Say, on the Probability Manipulation page, this is said...
"Users can create a finite pocket of reality-disrupting quasi-psionic force, which upon reaching its intended target, causes disturbance in the molecular-level probability field surrounding the target. Thus, unlikely phenomena will occur."
I'd say it would actually because any kind of disturbence in reality can casue all manner of unnatural occurances on a grand scale, even ones that aren't meteorogically possible.
it is actually another way to say weather based, or in my case nature based like floods, thunder storms, ect?
Well life energy embodies nearly any and all thbing living, functioning or otherwise, while biology stems only to the physical proportions supported by said energies. Life controls both the ohysical and etheral and so on while the physical proportion only stems to the physical.
Pretty much the same thing, only the soul acts as a source of life energy as well as what keeps a healthy living entity alive and functioning (ala, fullmetal alchemist) damiging it causes the biology embibing it to decay and rot entirely.
most likely, event manipulation makes things happen with or without logical cause and probability in itself makes stuff happen that aren't even feasible to do so in the first place.
Really? Are you serious? Logic and probability aren't so applicable to Event Manipulation?
not nessecarily, event manipulation works a little around bending logic while probability is a little more unfettered by logic.
not by alot no, but i do believ it holds some sway in both matters.Loki 71 (talk) 19:54, February 9, 2014 (UTC)
i meant very little on both counts there is no meaning to it.
Okay then. Thanks!
No idea, but on the whole it might simple be easier to add a mention into PB that some users may be able to empower several targets at once, depending on their own power-level. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:09, February 10, 2014 (UTC)
it was named using the eclipse in Heroes that gave everybody superpowers in the first place. and so was the misfits sereis when an odd lightning storm gave them their abilities.Loki 71 (talk) 19:37, February 10, 2014 (UTC)
I dunno. not to my knowledge so far, but no doubt sombody will come up with a few in the future.Loki 71 (talk) 02:52, February 11, 2014 (UTC)
It's named that both because it's from the time before we had Creation page and, frankly, every other name doesn't fit or just sounds stupid... or includes Creation in it. Spatio-Dimensional Portal just doesn't roll from the tongue and that's the closest to describing what it does. --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:10, March 9, 2014 (UTC)
Sub-powers in Mountain Manipulation&Elsewhere
You don't need to add every possible variation, sub-power or techniques from powers to pages where they appear, those are by definition already included. Add them when they are especially meaningful/notable or the power in question, but otherwise the main-power does the trick.
werll pardon me, i figured it was meaningfull since all those material powers can be found in mountains. besides someone would have cleaned it up eventually. I was gonna myself but it takes all my concentration just to figure most of those application. Loki 71 (talk) 06:12, April 21, 2014 (UTC)
E is defines as "become extremely malleable and elastic", RM "transform into or have a physical body made up of rubber", wast majority of elastic beings aren't made of rubber. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:53, April 21, 2014 (UTC)
well thats all well and good but i am trying to add how you can remain elastic yet still retain the sling like properties of a rubber band is all. but theirs no power simply stating the ability to stretch and deform without snapping rigth back besides the latter so i am trying to add that.Loki 71 (talk) 17:38, April 21, 2014 (UTC)
There is no such page as Mirror Manipulation, we only have Reflection Manipulation and you'd know this if you'd bothered to check the link you've been adding. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:25, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
Wll then why not make a page for actual, plain old regular mirrors next time. Or better still fix the wiki set up for that page to just leave at as reflection manipulation, just reflection and not have it come up as mirror manipulation. you should be close to the administration of this site so why not fix that? but i am not giving this up, if mirror page doesnt exist then someone should can just make one up for diference sake.Loki 71 (talk) 19:46, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
Mmm, thank you.Loki 71 (talk) 20:34, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
Artificial Element Manipulation
Since this powers is about Materials that are artificially created/generated, I removed the end products and will make a page for them. Makes things bit clearer, never did understand why they were added to the page anyway... --Kuopiofi (talk) 11:39, May 5, 2014 (UTC)
"Associations: Powers that are related (ie. powers, this power is a sub-power/variation/technique/etc.), or those that the user may be able to use." It's right on the Page Creation and Details on the front page. --Kuopiofi (talk) 13:21, May 31, 2014 (UTC)
Because the page's creator forgot to add it. Mentifery encompasses all forms of mental activity. Pathifery, Belief Warping and the likes are ultimately sub-powers of Mentifery, centered on specific fields of mental activity. DYBAD (talk) 22:20, July 1, 2014 (UTC)
"you're gonna use that chiz against me when a number of stupide pages on this site were practically born initially from single sources? pot calling the kettle much?" And quite a few powers are completely made off with no source at all. Well spotted.
The point being that this isn't just one source power, not even from few or dozen. Even before RPG it was pretty much all over western world and now it's global. With that level of background to draw from, single sources just don't cut. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:07, July 22, 2014 (UTC)
Y'know what? forget it. i don't care anymore.Loki 71 (talk) 12:11, July 22, 2014 (UTC)
(sigh of relife) Thank you, Loki 71 (talk) 05:29, August 24, 2014 (UTC)
Try to stay on the limits of what the power is about, in this case what the myths/folklore says, instead of adding what you want. And yes, that Mystical Martial Arts does come from the myths. --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:40, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
Different levels of power, normal tengu are on the lover end of the power, daitengu on the top.
That said, there's very little knowledge of daitengu. Basically it boils down to that there are very limited number of them (Wikipedia lists 17), each being ruler of their own mountain, vastly more powerful than normal tengu (Sōjōbō is their king, likely most powerful one and "has the strength of 1,000 normal tengu") and teached rare few warriors in swordsmanship, tactics, and magic. And that's about it.
Defined as "read the thoughts of billions or more subjects at once", that's pretty much what Telepathy is.
i know and don't really care, because it is an Omni Power it should list every kind of mental ability. I but beliefe related power there because beliefs arent just purely self related but how other people see us and picture us in their own minds has just as much an effect on our mental scape as our personal views do. Loki 71 (talk) 17:01, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
It's mass-scale mind reading and nothing more or less, not collection of every mind/mental power. If you start adding powers just because you feel/want to do so without caring what the power is about, you're really missing the point of this site. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:30, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
I'm not saying i dont i am saying i dont care about your opinion, just because somthing doesnt fit as an app, var, or so on desnt mean it shoudlnt be there period. my point is, if your even care, that indapendant beliefe is as much influence by individual as well as self-thought. did that honestly never occure to you?Loki 71 (talk) 19:39, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
Energy isnt just about changing your physiology but controling your substance and essance as a whole. Who said your mentality, which is also an energy state as you know; brainwaves & neural impulses and all, had to stay the same? As your entirity changes so does your state of mind while you adjust your conciousness to this new sense of self as an energy being.Loki 71 (talk) 18:35, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
Do you have any ideas why quite a few of the links you've added have extra coding on them? Check the Phenomenon Manipulation change you did in Source and you see what I mean. --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:49, January 8, 2015 (UTC)
i dunno what to tell ya, i just see the link the edit i am adding leads to i dont see any of that extra stuff that comes on with it when i edit. i even do a preview of whatever i am fixing just for good measure but none of that ever turns up.Loki 71 (talk) 18:37, January 8, 2015 (UTC)
Let me ask: Probability Manipullation can mae it so a light bottle in an area of very strong winds will not move at all one bit, even when the strong winds should blow it away so easily, right? Flamerstreak (talk) 01:27, January 30, 2015 (UTC)
most likely, probability manip. is about making the more plausable events more than likely to happen, but i dont believe it can overturn causality however.
the natural cause and effects, even iff probability is active the fact that a hollow glass bottlecan be nocked over by a strong or weak gust is still more likly to occure than not even with said power.
Dark Matter Manipulation
Out of curiosity, do you have a source you're drawing those Applications you're been adding to DMM? If so, could you give them to me (links preferably) so I could check them as well.
oh right and i suppose quantum manipulation, metaphysics maniopulation and science manipulation are as directluy tied to real world physics on this page than most?Loki 71 (talk) 17:27, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
Seriously, could it be that hard to answer into my talk-page? I don't follow what other people write to their page so I rarely find out what you answered until I have something new to talk about.
That part of meta-powers was written before you told it's equivalent to quantum manipulation... could I get the source for that?
wasnt my intention but sice ive seena few qho can do it it's not a bad idea actually.Loki 71 (talk) 17:50, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
well wha do you suggest? since darkmatter, if that descrption is accurate. makes up more tha 100% of the universe as a whole i figured change was good becasue existance is constantly in flux. Loki 71 (talk) 17:50, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
um hard to say, Porbability is about making the phenominal happenings happen while an event is already in motion in order to influence the ultimate outcome of it changing ill to good or good to ill. it may or maynot be able to set a series of events in motion leading up to the desired outcome but i'm not sure.Loki 71 (talk) 13:12, February 10, 2015 (UTC)
"Associations: Powers that are related (ie. powers, this power is a sub-power/variation/technique/etc.), or those that the user may be able to use. "
Well my point is that it seems a tad recessive, it's already up ther so why repeat what you already jotted down again? it's like a broken repeating itself over and over, it's supperfilus.Loki 71 (talk) 18:07, February 15, 2015 (UTC)
Uh, no. i'm saying the rule it self seems like a double idium thats all. it's like posting the title pages own power within the applications. A pointless quagmire if you will.Loki 71 (talk) 19:56, February 15, 2015 (UTC)
thats whatni've been doing, usually too busy trying to figure out what goes were to havethe time to tink on it; so my apologies.Loki 71 (talk) 02:20, February 17, 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, again. Caught up in the moment and tend to miss things.Loki 71 (talk) 14:59, February 28, 2015 (UTC)
Celedones: were magical singers crafted of gold by Hephaistos for the the second mythical temple of the god Apollon at Delphoi. These Automotones (living statues) had the shape of either beautiful women, wryneck birds, or a combination of the two--Seiren-like bird women.
Automotones: metalic statues of animal, men and monsters crafted and made animate by the divine smith Hephaistos.
What does that have to do with anything? It is a statue made of pure gold simply broght to life by magical power of a god. i never spoted anything organic in the page power layout so why dosnt automaton physiology fit. Gold isnt even organic, it is a natural occuring metal.Loki 71 (talk) 19:16, March 1, 2015 (UTC)
I asked someone about Amalgamation and how they could move when fused with another object. They said they can, since they would still have their legs. Let me ask, would the user fusing with the object have trouble moving if they were to move when fused with a very heavy object? Flamerstreak (talk) 02:05, March 14, 2015 (UTC)
yes, and no the element wouldnt weight them down seeing as it is apart of them practically keeping themselves from collapsing beneath their own weight.Loki 71 (talk) 14:39, March 16, 2015 (UTC)
well they would assimilate their properties into themselves mostlikely. Gaining it's properties instead of merging directly into it, conservation of mass and all.Loki 71 (talk) 01:11, March 17, 2015 (UTC)
yes and no actually.Loki 71 (talk) 11:11, March 17, 2015 (UTC)
Elemental Manipulation - deals with energy forms (fire, electricity, light, etc.), so it isn't really molecular.
Chemistry Manipulation - sub-molecular bonds = atoms, plus Periodic Table is about atoms, not molecules. Incidentally, do bonds of chemical polymer chains happen between atoms of same periodic elements? For example: do they hold gold atoms together?
Greetings Loki, I am GON, and I would simply like to ask. Why does "Scanning", have such great power?
I... dont really know, it was a page based off of a powerful superweapon i believe. but when you thiunk about it studying an object right down to it's carbon elements can give you unparaleled insight as to how an object works not only giving you an understanding of how you can manipulate it to your advantage but to also incorperate and amalgamate multiple properties of which to assimilate with via other means. As we all know knowledge is power and whatnot and scannuing gives you insurmountable knowing of just about anything.Loki 71 (talk) 14:10, April 5, 2015 (UTC)
I know I asked this elsewhere, but to make sure it isn't ultimately ignored...
it would only work for crushing enemies if they were somehow confined in an enclosed space with the object steadily growing in size pinning an dpinching them agaisnt the obstruction, it could also work if an inflated person rapidly bounced around from place to plase developing the mass of a cannonball before smashing into them.Loki 71 (talk) 03:40, May 10, 2015 (UTC)
in a nutshell, unless the expanding object is inside them.Loki 71 (talk) 03:52, May 10, 2015 (UTC)
How exactly does ability to read/affect minds on massive scale/range allow you to make illusions into reality?
It is an omni-power, hence omnipathy, and we both know that there are dozens of purly mental based abilities that can blend surreal with reality. it hasd a couple of the variations as apps, i dont see as to why it doesnt fit.Loki 71 (talk) 05:19, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
It's ability to "read the thoughts of billions or more subjects at once" and nothing else. Don't go adding new levels of power into something that is so well defined.
And seriously, why is it that hard to understand the point I've made quite a few times already: I don't follow other peoples Talk-page, you want to answer me, use my Talk-page to do it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:25, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
Look again genius i did answer the stupide talk page i put my blaming signature there but i'm sure you'll explain to me yet again what i did wrong this time. frankly givin your condecending tone i get the impression its not worth talking with you. On another note, this talk page as you call it is Not Mine.
And again, Telepathy isnt just simply reading and communicating mentally on a global to universal scale its about all around mental interaction in general is it not? Whose to say omnipathy, its superior power, doesnt have the ability to manipulate illusions on a grander scale than the latter seeing as how one can reach out and touch the universe?Loki 71 (talk) 15:01, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
If you actually check what Sensory Scrying and Shared Vision do, you note that SS is about being able to share what someone else is seeing, SV allows you to let someone to share what you see. It's exact opposite.
Yeah i get that but shared vision was listed both in assocciations and variations i'm trying to limit the double standard ration here, either leave one of the same power in one catagory.
Plus empathy was a good fit for it but you said no to that too so what other emotion themed variations can and should i use?Loki 71 (talk) 13:44, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
Hyper Instincts: that you can processes the world in the most efficient manner doesn't give you intuitive, instant understanding of it. It certainly gives you good idea what's going on, but it doesn't make you instant expert in everything. --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:24, June 2, 2015 (UTC)
I dunno, because dark matter makes up a sizable chunk of the universe for one thing. Therefore it relates to pretty much oh, just about everything and everyone in it.Loki 71 (talk) 05:46, June 7, 2015 (UTC)
Please go to read what Solipsistic Manipulation is about and explain how it is Variation of DMM. If anything, being able to manipulate anything "that can be related to them (from memory or their knowledge) limited by their knowledge of the superpowers" means that DMM is SM's sub-power if it is anyway related to it. It's on par with Reality Manipulation. --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:57, June 7, 2015 (UTC)
Solipsistic manipulation is a power that enables one to manipulate anything and everything that somehow correlates to the user in general. Now when you take into consideration about how dark matter; if you believe the physics behind it, is in a number of ways connected or related in some small part to the universal, cosmological and even metaphysical aspects of creation. One could easily sway those related subjects through precise understanding of those interconnections through further study and remembrance, ergo knowing how dark matters relation to a particular relative subject one wishes to control allows them control over it through this power. Besides I only listed it as a variation so I fail to see what I did wrong. But seriously the page says said power makes up 98% of any given universe, in what way does it not connect to it?Loki 71 (talk) 15:01, June 7, 2015 (UTC)
By that logic, reality manipulation is DMM's Variation.
Just a question, where do you get that metaphysical from? Because as far as I know, while DM is indeed pretty damn strong ability, it's still on the level of physics and laws of nature. Source, please. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:05, June 8, 2015 (UTC)
If it doesnt fit as a variation that at least put it in the assocciations, or better yet rigt it as a sub power to solipisitic manipulation.Loki 71 (talk) 12:06, June 8, 2015 (UTC)
Metapotence is not more powerful than Omnipotence. MP was created entirely because a user a year ago clearly didn't understand Omnipotence, nor did he try to, and constantly tried to find any way to limit it.
MP is meant to be the purest form of Omnipotence, to simply make it easier to understand. Quoting DYBAD: "This page was created in answer to the endless arguments about the fundamental paradoxes of Omnipotence, and the almost inevitable flaws characters officialy described as "Omnipotent" eventually start showing. A simplified, clear-cut version with zero room for doubt and questioning." and "this is a boiled-bown/simplified version of Omnipotence, without the megalomania, intolerance, paradoxes and arguments." "No, it's not stronger, just simpler to wrap your head around. Omnipotence without the headaches, you could say."
Overall, they're the same. MP just makes OP easier to understand (focusing on the whole "do anything without limit" bit). Plus, if something is stronger than OP, then it's not OP, it'd be Nigh Omnipotence instead.
Please take a note that Possession deals with living beings, whether sentient or animal, and Meta-Possession allows possession of anything/everything. There's a reason P is sub.power of M-P. --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:30, July 9, 2015 (UTC)
What are you talking about? I put meta possession as a variation not a sub power. Because the page for it says its a superior VARIATION.
Did you check what Solipsistic Manipulation actually is? How's that related to nightmares?
i put it there because dreams relate to the person in reality, if that doesnt fit than excuse me!Loki 71 (talk) 14:42, July 19, 2015 (UTC)
Transcendent Machine Physiology
12. No repeated Editing/Undoing of the same thing. If this becomes problem take it to Comments/Talk and talk it out instead of repeatedly messing with the page. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:12, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
i was waiting fro someoen to repy first, felt it wasnt prudent to start of on a bitter note.Loki 71 (talk) 22:23, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
in what way do they not, for some on the known users's page many of those powers i put are merely the tip of the ice burb of what they can do.Loki 71 (talk) 23:09, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
well,if only some users can do that things,then the powers go to associations,applications are only powers that all users are expect to have.and also, just be a very powerful robot don't make you embody nothing,that's why must applications is putting don't make much sense to the power. L12345 (talk) 23:13, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
I only said some becuase there are not alot of users in the known users sectoon in the first place, but Galactus, Primus, Unicron The Celestials, Korvak, Apocalypse, the Anti Moniter especially, really most all of those names relate to what i tried to expand on and simplifiy. Sure the Embodiments might be overstating it but what else would be the pinicle of machinery and technology as well as physical energuy manipulatory capability wopuld be for a god machine?Loki 71 (talk) 23:22, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
well,actually because even if the characters you say are indeed very powerful,you is putting some powers that even they are very far from have (such as Absolute Existance and Absolute Change). and well,actually you can leave technilogy embodiment,since it make sense to the power,but i think you should remove the rest of the embodiment and the two said powers i said,because they don't make much sense to the powers,you should,for example,replace Fundamental Forces embodiment with Fundamental Forces Manipulation. L12345 (talk) 23:31, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah okay, initially the Fundamental forces only made sense because they're machines born of a branch of physics since they're made to harness and tap the natural physical energie of universes or multiverses. But i reccomend the absolute change part be left as it is because that much holds true for any user of this power since a great many of them can turn most any humanoids into robots, mutates, cosmic beaings, eldritch horrors or more even.Loki 71 (talk) 23:42, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
actually,transmutation covers that,the thing of turning humans or any being into any other kind of thing,but absolute change is faaaaarrrr beyond this that you described,absolute change can make a nigh-omnipotent become nothing more than just a little insect,Change the totality itself,make the entire totality become nothig (that are just little examples of what it can do),etc,after all,Absolute Change is not a Form of Omnipotence itself for nothing.that's why i said that,even the users you said are indeed powerful,there some powers that even they are not even close to have.and also,preferentially,only Omnipotent powers can have another Omnipotent powers in their applications L12345 (talk) 23:48, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
So what would be the lesser ability of Absolute change, becasue those of this power have made gods and or demi-gods in their own right, like galactus to the silver surfer for example. transformation of this kind goes way beyond the simple transition of solid to liquid or even changing matter to energy or amalgemating of the two like you'd find in transumation.This is the alternating of a beings very nature acdening them to a much greater form.Loki 71 (talk) 00:29, July 24, 2015 (UTC)
I dunno. i dont think that simply covers it, i mean its not just gods we're talking here i mean it the complete overhaul of a being into somthing less or more. How about Attribute Manipulation?Loki 71 (talk) 00:42, July 24, 2015 (UTC)
Oh, yeah yea, i already put that their and completely forgot. Alright guess thats good enough. That good with you?Loki 71 (talk) 01:01, July 24, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah okay, honest mistake.Loki 71 (talk) 21:21, July 30, 2015 (UTC)
It's pretty decent actually, nice to have if you're a marine barret or in need of fast yet stealthy travel at the dead of night.Loki 71 (talk) 23:01, July 30, 2015 (UTC)
not the point, Astronomy relates the the univers and Solipisistic allows one to manipulate anyhting related to the users own knawledge or experience with it.Loki 71 (talk) 07:23, August 2, 2015 (UTC)
Whats the difference? both are the study of cosmological bodies aren't they? probably not as a whole but still. Plus there isnt a cosmology page, this one pretty much sums up all universe related abstracts.Loki 71 (talk) 07:26, August 2, 2015 (UTC)
yeah,but they are not the same, so you can't put it on it like they are, even though they are related,they are still different things (and also, embody astronomy is not even close of embody the universe itself). and also,like i said, you cannot manipulate everything related to yourself just because you embody the study of celestial objects, it don't make sense. like i said before, it's like saying that if you embody the stars, you can manipulate everything related to them (like planets,galaxies,etc) and you can't, you can just manipulate the stars and what they produce (such as plasma,gravity,etc) L12345 (talk) 07:32, August 2, 2015 (UTC)
Well then what do you suggest? Becasue all i'm listening to is a whole lot of why you cants instead of what would fit better here.Loki 71 (talk) 07:34, August 2, 2015 (UTC)
well,i think the applications are alredy fine the away they were before, you should,for example,remone Solipstic Manipuation and System Manipulation, and add Planetary System Creation. L12345 (talk) 07:37, August 2, 2015 (UTC)
Give me a lust of one you want altered and i'll go to work.Loki 71 (talk) 19:08, August 6, 2015 (UTC)
Transcendent Werebeast Physiology
If edits were made, then the persomn who did it went around my back. Tell it to them not me.Loki 71 (talk) 06:08, August 23, 2015 (UTC)
Loki, if you could be so kind as stop adding all these unnecessary applications to my power, that'd be great. Things like Hyper Instincts and Divine Beast make sense. But some of the powers you're putting under them, don't.
NONE of these make sense for a Godly Werebeast to have. Just..no. They don't make sense. Especially when under Hyper Instincts.
A godly werebeast would only represent werebeasts themselves, not the entire animal kingdom. Mythic Manipulation is covered by Entity Lordship (same basic principle).
I will remove these once more.
Oh sure, like it cant use it's hypercognative instincs to intimidate individuals into submission or even creating blanks in their own awareness?
Plus animals have a nack for understanding seduction rituals to court mates dont they, also you could have at least left in beast lordship but again that is covered by entity lorship sso i'll let that pass. But those others would have fit with this perfecly, especially social magnetism since beasts in spite of their ferocity are SOCIAL creatures. Loki 71 (talk) 16:14, August 23, 2015 (UTC)
What are italics?Oh and also you might wann check your grammer. Loki 71 (talk) 22:12, August 25, 2015 (UTC)
A number of dragons have or seem to have total control of themselves Jake long from American Dragon, Azulongmon from Digimon, Ashuron from Konjiki no Gash Bell and Deathwing from Wold of Warcraft amoung a couple of others.Loki 71 (talk) 13:19, September 25, 2015 (UTC)
Nebula Manipulation is sub-power of Cosmic Manipulation, Universal Manipulation is advanced version (in other words more powerful one) of CM. How exactly would UM be sub-power of NM? --Kuopiofi (talk) 14:38, October 13, 2015 (UTC)
I replaced it because cosmic was already an assocciation, fyi i wasnt the one who put cosmic manip there in the first place.Loki 71 (talk) 14:54, October 13, 2015 (UTC)
it actually looks, feesable. Reminds me of a character from the new-52 flash comicws who had speed force abilities similar to this. Loki 71 (talk) 03:42, October 20, 2015 (UTC)
Please check what powers do before you add them. For example Musical Empathy isn't about affecting emotions via music, it's ability to "gain various abilities based on the type of music one listens to or plays". --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:37, October 20, 2015 (UTC)
I did check the power description, and it looks, sounds and seems to act alot more like a combination paower thana simple subsideiery. I was just sprucing up what no one else bothered to check up on, plus empathy is a core and sub-power of emotion manipulation so i don't get how non of what i posted doesn't fit considering a few people actually have this ability as necessarry attributes corelating to this ability.Loki 71 (talk) 18:51, October 20, 2015 (UTC)
Musical Empathy: gain various abilities based on the type of music one listens to or plays.
Empathic Voice: manipulate the emotions of other beings through one's voice.
Seriously??? you really don't see the synonomy here? vocalization is one of the oldest forms of music, being one of neumerous types of music conveyed. played, heard or otherwise, especially when empathically convey your feeling through your vocals, lyrics and tune or pitch if you will; to do more than just simply manipulate emotions but also project and give shape to them as well as develope a keen awareness of differing emotions as well.Loki 71 (talk) 20:52, October 20, 2015 (UTC)
Well that doesnt explain why you keep taking restoration physiology off as a technique. plus if its in the title bit why does AR need to be an assosiation?Loki 71 (talk) 12:49, October 22, 2015 (UTC)
Water Form Manipulation allows manipulation of "water in every form possible, the basic three being liquid, solid and gas, as well as transform it from one phase to another. More powerful users can convert water into the fourth phase, plasma" meaning that adding it to Liquids and removing Water Manipulation, the only liquid form, you've completely missed the point. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:30, October 27, 2015 (UTC)
Fine, but you could have at least left the melting part, how hard would it be for oen to liquidate molecular bonds when one can turn objects into water?Loki 71 (talk) 00:38, October 28, 2015 (UTC)
Teleportation Manipulation "manipulate the teleportation of other beings"
I Did CHECK. Thats why i added it, the capabilities itself has teleportation as a sub-power, if that's not the case then the description let alone the power itself seems a bit arbitrary.Loki 71 (talk) 15:42, November 9, 2015 (UTC)
Scorpios have Pheromone Manipulation... Source?
it ain't just him thogh i've seen a few characters use the charging to enhance themselves and others occasionally. Speed Demon for example in Avengers Assemble (unintentionally), Quicksilver, The Flash and a few others to boot.
Oh and here's the source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpion#Reproduction they use it to find and cohabitate with mates. So yes and yes on both counts.Loki 71 (talk) 15:53, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
Manipulation and Creation are swapped in Ability Tier Activation because ATA allows user to activate the ability, nothing else, that's creation/generation. Manipulation means you can change how the existing power works and remove it, not this. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:22, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
So you can manipulate variables but you can't adjist potential, that seems contrived since variables revolv around potential capability too.Loki 71 (talk) 18:44, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
Need to clear that comment in Radiation Manipulation: "Cosmic Manipulation includes Solar Manipulation" isn't so much of the fact CM has SM as sub-power, but the fact that power which has Solar, Stellar and quite a few other manipulations as sub-powers would be Variation of Radiation Manipulation.--Kuopiofi (talk) 12:36, November 14, 2015 (UTC)
How exactly do you get Supernatural Voice from "speaks with thunder as his voice"? And he's specifically lightning god, not all weather.
Graphical Perspective Manipulation: "manipulate graphical perspective, or the representation of three dimensional object as seen by a person on a two dimensional surface like a painting, a photograph or a television screen", what does that have to do with paths? Making maps look different? --Kuopiofi (talk) 09:00, November 16, 2015 (UTC)
Because it wasn't just thunder he spoke with in his voice, sometimes when he was in a good mood he'd travel the expanse with song on his lips that people would hear from miles around, secondly the geographical structure of paths can be altered to either confuse or enhance a perons understanding of the pathways they take.
Not just limiting it to alternating maps but to confuse ones sense of direction in general regarding the multitudinous routs forcing they're sense of direction take a U-turn while their along the path. GoW III showcased this with Hera on Krato's path through the gardens.Loki 71 (talk) 15:25, November 16, 2015 (UTC)
Got link to that detail about Mamaragan?
Except that Graphical Perspective Manipulation is defined as "manipulate graphical perspective, or the representation of three dimensional object as seen by a person on a two dimensional surface like a painting, a photograph or a television screen" that's it.
About Thor: just because he's strong doesn't make him Embodiment. And yes, why did they add him there when he isn't? Seriously need to check Embodiments at some point... --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:23, November 16, 2015 (UTC)
Haven't we been through this few times already? Possession is very specifically defined as "inhabit the body of a living being". That means corpses and objects are right out. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:20, November 19, 2015 (UTC)
Being able to manipulate something doesn't make you embodiment of any part of that power, nor transform you somehow. In other words, no Embodiment or Physiologies/Mimicries. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:56, November 20, 2015 (UTC)
So why not just put limited teleportation manipulation because teleportation works for oneself and not others.Loki 71 (talk) 16:24, December 3, 2015 (UTC)
Is this Platinum Manipulation/Synchronization/immaterial resonation one of those things that are verse/source specific? You know that verse specific details don't count... except maybe as Association. Does platinum in other sources have connections to this concept? --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:23, December 5, 2015 (UTC)
Story Shifting can "change/shift the events, plot, characters, locations, structure, etc. of one story into another story", how would "enter the story as a character, observer or themselves" allow that? --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:21, December 13, 2015 (UTC)
it what gives magnesium it's unique fire starter flare. figurative and literal, it doesnt have to have special powers or properties but just act as a indicator to how strong the fires and flames produced are. Fire generation doesnt do it justice.Loki 71 (talk) 06:02, December 15, 2015 (UTC)
Source for Agni's lightning/sun form? Only thing I can find "Agni is only compared and not identified with the Sun."
Why are you adding Land Embodiment to Underworld Lordship? To my knowledge none of them were the earth, they just had influence over it. That's Manipulation, not Embodiment. And even if some were embodiments, that doesn't override the fact that for most it's M not E.
As of Magnesium Manipulation: it's perfectly normal fire and nothing more. Heat or color don't mean it's something else.
Frankly i'd prefer if you'd butt out but here goes. You want Agni's sun thing here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agni#Etymology look under Agni has three forms.
Secondly Hades has total control over the earth which includes the fields of Elysium being much more than caves and moutnains and he's one of the big three and two of his siblings gained ownership vast territorial power like land and sky. Plus it is one giant cavernous expanse with ever-changing environment and landscape so there's that.
And finally. Magnesium doesn't just burn with regular fire. Sometimes the colors shift and the reason why i put it there in the first place was because it's A. not meant to be fire with numerous properties but just to signify the heat of which varies and secondly, since rainbow fire manip was off the board I made it so you would get off my back about it. Kind of like i wish you had dropped simply leaving Fire generation and deleting blue fire generation.
Oh and another thing? Raccoon's are actually strong for they're size and are known to be feral so i dont get why that doesn't fit either and frankly I don't care.Loki 71 (talk) 22:27, December 16, 2015 (UTC)
Given that page gives very detailed list of what areas Agni is connected, you focus on his name? especially when it says on the second section: "Agni is only compared and not identified with the Sun."
First: Hades is one of the underworld deities, you're expanding single individuals abilities to cover all others which is something we've talked few times already (actually, where do you get that total control from? Source?). Secondly: none of the Olympians were embodiments of the elements they ruled, those were the Protogenoi few generations earlier. --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:08, December 17, 2015 (UTC)
So then why do all the lordships i've seen have some kind of all composing embodiment too them? And no i don't simply focus on the name i seach all the details for him through the internet, where it clearly states he; Agni has three representative forms.Loki 71 (talk) 14:26, December 17, 2015 (UTC)
I already showed you, i even posted the link; I'm not posting it again but i will show you another few i found; http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/concepts/agni.asp, and here again https://books.google.com/books?id=UkxpCQAAQBAJ&pg=PA103&lpg=PA103&dq=Agni+has+three+forms&source=bl&ots=aObIaHLHa4&sig=QEbQxnWV5QIC90z2_H64zMJcq0A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjP3drH2uXJAhXEFz4KHXTLCfQQ6AEINjAG#v=onepage&q=Agni%20has%20three%20forms&f=false as for previous check December 16th 2015.Loki 71 (talk) 15:25, December 18, 2015 (UTC)
Roman pantheon was affected by Greek, but they aren't even near same. Compare Mars and Ares for a very obvious example. All others have varying levels of difference, you're influenced by fiction here.
And while I can understand to some level that part, how do you justify Hekatonkheires?
Hindu pantheon: Asura/Rakshasa I can understand as there's still worship on them, but Apsara/Gandharva are spirits and not deities, entertainers/messengers of gods that were never worshiped. And if you have something to back that up, link.
Because the legend of Kitsune originally hailed from india before it came to japanes lore, and the Yasha or the Yaksha were akin to the japanese ogre, also originating from indian myth.
The Hekatonkheires were huge in both titanomarchy and olympian theme, considering one pledged themselves to Zues after the titan olympian war. Plus they are ancestral advocates to the latter due to they're connection to protogonoi Ouranous proginator of the titans and the olympians.Loki 71 (talk) 16:56, December 18, 2015 (UTC)
Cosmic Creation is sub-power of Cosmic Manipulation, CC is sub-power of Universal Manipulation/Universal Lordship, both UM/UL are sub-power of Multiversal Manipulation. To put it to perspective, CC is manipulating perhaps a planet, UM/UL like galaxy, MM like everything.
Well first of all, worlds would involve planets or planetoid semblences. only this isn't just about manipulating astral or planetary bodies of dirt and soil. this is about controling, diverging and converging whole realities. You talk about world like the planet earth or saturn or mars but this is taking the entireity of concepts beyond the physical; like space, time, possibility, probability and reality to meshing/splitting them apart creaing branch realities. Giving them they're own forms of consistancy which eventually branch out into it's own ever expanding continuum; which according to quantum string theory goes on forever.
To quote a parrallel version of batman from Justice league: crisis on two earths. "billions of people, making billions of choices. Thusly creating Infinite Earths." or paralelle worlds as the case may be. How do you think a multiverse comes to be in the first place? Whosoever made these pages didn't take into consideration that a universe orginal or alternate isn't solely comprised of a sole planetary body but a parallele world makes up the universe it is situated in, otherwise he wouldn't have used characters like Alex luther Jr. or Lord Chaos who can merge and sparate whole existances completly to describe these powers. Cuz world merging/splitting goes well beyond cosmic and universal M/L.Loki 71 (talk) 19:44, December 19, 2015 (UTC)
Hmmm... put it that way... I can see what you mean. But World Splitting/Merging alone wouldn't allow you to manipulate uni/multiverse as a whole, just very specific part/way. I move them to Associations.
Explination??? how do you mean. Also i'd think multiverse manipulation would fit under both, after all considering either being literally creating diverging realities or compressing them into single realities which in turn creat more realities when left on they're own or tempered a bit. it's like a big bang only for an Orrery of Worlds.--Loki 71 (talk) 22:00, December 19, 2015 (UTC)
"Well first of all, worlds would involve planets or planetoid semblences. only this isn't just about manipulating astral or planetary bodies of dirt and soil. this is about controling, diverging and converging whole realities. You talk about world like the planet earth or saturn or mars but this is taking the entireity of concepts beyond the physical; like space, time, possibility, probability and reality to meshing/splitting them apart creaing branch realities. Giving them they're own forms of consistancy which eventually branch out into it's own ever expanding continuum; which according to quantum string theory goes on forever."
That explanation. Modified to each power.
As I said, it's very limited area control. User doesn't gain control over the whole Multiverse which full user of MM would have. That's why I'd keep it in Associations. --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:01, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
So then why not call it limited MM instead?Loki 71 (talk) 06:06, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
Doesn't matter whats worked around what, cosmic rays are stil a radiation so it fits. Further more what would you have me put??? I opted for quantum radiation but you didn't like that either.Loki 71 (talk) 08:07, January 3, 2016 (UTC)
I'm well aware of its capabilities thank you, but it is still used as an iradient in fiction and publication. Plus RM isn't listed as an application so i don't get the problem as a varient, would you rather have CREM instead?Loki 71 (talk) 15:46, January 3, 2016 (UTC)
Variation means it's variant of that power, same way gold and iron are variations of metal.
The title has cosmic radiation in its also called roster so it fits, plus did you miss the part where i asked if i should replace it with Cosmic Radiation Evolution Manipulation?Loki 71 (talk) 17:43, January 3, 2016 (UTC)
I haven't followed Marvel for quite some time, but do Hulk/gamma infected really have ability to do more with gamma radiation than generate and use it to empower themselves? Because those two even together don't yet make you manipulator. Can they shape the gamma radiation? Create blasts/constructs, etc.? --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:54, January 5, 2016 (UTC)
He generates Gamma radiation yes and can manipulate it to an extent to enhance his own abilities, if anyone Red-hulk has a better grasp on gamma power than he does, using ti to absorb and rechannel other energies including gamma rays. So yeah, they have limited but still present gamma manipulation capabilities.Loki 71 (talk) 16:12, January 5, 2016 (UTC)
So it's more internal power, good to know.
Not really, but it had crossed my mind.... yeah. alright i'll make the page.Loki 71 (talk) 23:02, January 5, 2016 (UTC)
If you're so hung up over Cosmic Radiation, make that page instead of adding power that has nothing to do with CR aside of name. You did notice that CM applications include planetary/stellar manipulation? How's that achievable via radiation manipulation? --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:57, January 9, 2016 (UTC)
In a nutshell, YES! I mean Galactus uses cosmic manipulation to empower his heralds as well as shift planetary alignments, the silver surfer uses cosmic manipulation to peel back the veils of space-time on a whim, hell cosmic manipulation empowered the fantastic four as well as a twisted enagram of them called doctor midas/cosmic man for petes sake. Plus Cosmic manipulation has an also called cosmic energy/radiation manipulation so i don't get what the issue is. Furthermore I asked you about it a week ago and you didn't mind it then until just recently and if it's such an issue why don't you make a page for it? I mean I asked if Cosmic Radiation Evolution Manipulation would fit with this but you didn't bother to reply on that.Loki 71 (talk) 06:26, January 9, 2016 (UTC)
You're telling me that you're using the comic facts for the basis of your opinion/argument instead of science? Please note that all powers that are based on something scientifically definable start from there and then add details from various other sources, not the other way around. Your pulling directly from the Marvel and then saying it's the only truth is skirting on the line to the verse-specific powers and those are deleted.
And no, I don't read your talk-page continuously as I've pointed out few times already.
Cosmic Radiation Evolution Manipulation - aside of being way too much of a mouthful - is about what? The name isn't really descriptive aside of pointing towards scientific cosmic radiation.
If you want to create a page about cosmic radiation? Go ahead, as long as you base it on actual cosmic radiation and not some comic version... or at least divide it so science part and the full-blown fiction are separated.
If you want to create power that has no real connection to the scientific CR? Might want to think other name to avoid confusion and please note that if it's verse specific, at least make it more general. Speed Force got the boot while the more generally applicable Enhanced/Supernatural/Absolute Speeds are still here.
Putting that aside, mind giving me the source you're basing the Applications of for "Matter Creation: gamma radiation while weaker radiation, can create it's own matter and energy"? Because if that's verse-specific (likely Marvel), it's on the list for removal. If it's based on science, just point the link to me, if it's verse-specific either remove it or move it to Associations. --Kuopiofi (talk) 11:41, January 9, 2016 (UTC)
This is neither about science nor is it about fiction, if anything this wiki like all wikis uses a combo of both, i'm not gonna bother with a source since you'll mostlikely not find it anyway so i'll use this snippet instead; Intriguingly, gamma rays can be so powerful that they can actually create matter. This is because, as Einstein's formula E = mc2 explains, energy can get converted to matter, and vice versa. Extraordinarily high-energy gamma rays, such as ones that black holes can generate, can yield pairs of electrons and their antimatter counterparts, known as positrons. (Whether the Incredible Hulk uses gamma rays to violate the law of conservation of matter and grow is another question.) Furthermore if it wasn't by name than why bother giving it the title at all?
To be fair non of these powers are really scientifical the border more fiction than physics anyway. Oh and since you never read the page, the cosmic ray evolution basically is a combo of cosmic manipulation and evolution manipulation through the usage of it's radiation. Why i figured it was a bette fit for radiation variations than the one you keep changing. there, happy?Loki 71 (talk) 17:45, January 9, 2016 (UTC)
Sooo... is that pure speculation without any official packing? In other words, source or it didn't happen.
About your claiming that "Cosmic manipulation has an also called cosmic energy/radiation manipulation so i don't get what the issue is." and pulling Galactus to this: since when has Power Cosmic has been radiation? Source.
As a side note, I really don't know where the radiation part in Also Called comes from, there certainly isn't anything in the description that points to that one... removed that one.
Yes, since it uses cosmic radiation and yes i do have a source but i doubt you'll even go for it http://www.livescience.com/2590-gamma-rays-incredible-hulking-reality.html i left it out because you'd bring up another debate, again. Plus cosmic energy/radiation manipulation probably comes from cosmic energy manipuilation; which was never expanded upon i might add. not fully anyway.Loki 71 (talk) 19:12, January 9, 2016 (UTC)
Actually did check that, intriguing... are there other superheroes/villains who's powers/being is scientifically dissected? I remember there was TV program about Spiderman some time ago... --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:15, January 9, 2016 (UTC)
uh, scientifically dissected. Whats that mean? like how spider-man got his power from genetically enhanced radioativly charged spiers or what?Loki 71 (talk) 19:30, January 9, 2016 (UTC)
Having their powers studied scientifically and given explanations to how they would work.
The program about Spiderman was advertised on BBC (I think), but I unfortunately never got around watching it and have only vague memories to what they talked about. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:29, January 9, 2016 (UTC)
So thats a yes. At least explination wise; Well they often do, sometimes they even give them in the movies like the fatastic four (old movie not newer one) and Hulk got one in iron man armored adventures. Where banner explained that his transformations into his alter ego was called the "Gamma Effect" were his iradiated cell structure would begin to enlarge and multiply at an accelerated rate causing them to take over, casuing the hulk to take over. There are other instances where I read detailed explinations about peoples powers in comics but can't remember them now.Loki 71 (talk) 21:13, January 9, 2016 (UTC)
Well from where I stand you can only find somthing like that in literatruized encyclopedias and in the wiki's. Otherwise beyond that, ya got me.Loki 71 (talk) 21:33, January 9, 2016 (UTC)
For some reason every time you Edit Absorbing Replication, one of the collapsed Galleries loses the closing code and stops working. Just a notice for you. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:33, January 21, 2016 (UTC)
Duo is not an AI.
Hate to disappoint you but Duo was created as a transcendent machine, it says right here-
It doesn't say he is a net navi at all, he is a machine created by an advanced race.
He is never said to be a program at all. Your getting your facts mixed up. even in battle network he is still considered to be a machine. In fact it even says on the first line of duos page he is a mysterious being from outer space, he is not an AI at all. Duo has always been a machine, in both the original incarnation and the ExE series.SageM (talk) 04:36, January 22, 2016 (UTC)SageM
Uh evidently you missed some things, try checking his character information bar and game history. They both clearly state that he is a program and the meteor itself is simply a mechanized shell, if that isn't enbout for you look up his catagories at the bottom. Which states he is a netnavi, male netnavi and solo netnavi.
I did some more checking elsewhere for information on DUO and it says he is only vaguely similar to a Navi, not that he actually is one. thus my point still stands. He is not a true netnavi, and thus doesn't count as AI. going by one wiki alone is not enough of an answer. sure most of the information is posted there, but people make mistakes too. though it was a good try.SageM (talk) 04:50, January 22, 2016 (UTC)SageM
it also says he's not a machine eiter he's an operating system. that doesn change the fact that he can merge worlds, i don't care what he is but that he has and has demonstrated what i mean.Loki 71 (talk) 04:54, January 22, 2016 (UTC)
It says he is also a cybernetic being right on the same page. In fact his appearance in the anime is described the same way as in the game, arriving from a comet but it says he is a god like machine in the anime. and the two series are in fact linked. Thus he is a machine. there is really no point in arguing about this fact anymore. Nothing you say can change that fact. He is an will always remain a transcendent machine according to the backstory.
Thats not my point. I'm saying he can merge worlds, and also he's a machine in the anime, the games have always been more canon than most any mm adaptions made, not to mention he's a program inhabiting a machine so that doesn't count either thats what another source i looked up said too.Loki 71 (talk) 05:08, January 22, 2016 (UTC)
infuse objects (usually a weapon), beings or powers with (...), empowering and energizing them and allowing the user to manipulate their qualities and efficiency. In other words, not their shape or appearance, they stay as they were and only their abilities change.
Third thing, if you insist on this change, I'll need to point out that if you add it it's your job to add it to every infusion. It's been standard practice but I haven't gotten around adding it to official rules as it's needed pretty rarely and phrasing isn't easy. It's there now, hope it's clear enough. --Kuopiofi (talk) 13:56, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
If you're still interested adding to Infusion, might I suggest using Aura Generation to simulate manifesting the infused matter/energy and possibly as a sub-power to AG Entity Creation to simulate shaping it to various forms? --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:05, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
That would be useful for generating appendages, Life-Force Constructs or construct creation in general makes more sense because it's about forming tookls and utensiles. Not functioning limbs and last i checked entities can't do that.Loki 71 (talk) 22:15, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
Wikipedia, occultopedia, quite a few different sources.Loki 71 (talk) 03:56, January 29, 2016 (UTC)
that is not a application of property infusion, it has nothing to do with the power whatsoever. its fine for the other infusion powers but its not a valid application for it. please do not add it again.SageM (talk) 04:19, January 29, 2016 (UTC)SageM
Why? it would just end up being removed from property infusion anyway by someone else or one of the admins, in order for the application to be valid it has to actually fit the power in question. that application doesn't fit this power in any way shape or form. it works with the other infusions I can agree, but I am sorry but it doesn't work with that one, as its not a normal type of infusion that would even use that. It can't be an application at all.
It, doesn't matter. God i miss time when editing was simpler when somthing happend in media and people could chronicle it without impunity; sadly what i added to the source page did fit with the power but your buzz kill associate wouldn't get off my back about it. I'm sick of this.Loki 71 (talk) 04:27, January 29, 2016 (UTC)
I left a message with Kuo. He will decide whether it fits or not. but I still believe its not a valid application of the power based on its capabilities.SageM (talk) 04:31, January 29, 2016 (UTC)SageM
I'm tryung to jot down how infusion can formulate energized shells of power around a focused object, like Asuma with his knuckle blades or the Samurai from the land of iron and they' katana'.Loki 71 (talk) 04:33, January 29, 2016 (UTC)
When I said if you add it it's your job to add it to every infusion, that doesn't mean just those in Infusion page, it means also the Variations of those Variations. At the least Elemental, Energy and Organic Infusions have several Variations and those are still unchanged. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:46, January 29, 2016 (UTC)
I'm still getting to those man, cut me some slack. Trying to prioritize here; getting to the first list then to the rest.Loki 71 (talk) 06:12, January 29, 2016 (UTC)
Hiding something in a cave isn't same as being able to manipulate them otherwise every dragon would have it, and if you have source that says so, I want it. Good ones are hard to find. Earth Manipulation pretty much covers it anyway.
Where are you getting the harvest/soil manipulation? Source?
Supernatural Life-Force - "User has massive or near unlimited amount of life-force/energy and everything connected to it." That isn't "excessive expenditure", it's massive life-force. And Infinite Supply covers it and Generations anyway.
I didn't say it was about having everything it is about wasting everything too. it's about needlessly expending all one has for menial wants and needs, as for the cave thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammon#Personifications and was also related to roman god https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C4%ABs_Pater who was a god of riches and agriculture hence the soil and harvest parts. The Cave thing didn't just mean he hid it in the cave but oversaw both his wealth and it at the same time, it was his domain with which he had control over otherwise how else would he be able to access his riches on a whim.
Mind walking this by me, how exactly can light be related to entropy?
Why would Wrath Embodiment give you Adaptive Power-Level? User gains strength from theirs and other anger/wrath, which can push them to insane levels of power, but that doesn't make their power to "adapt one's power-level to surpass any opposition" by default. They need rage to power themselves. --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:17, February 1, 2016 (UTC)
Well as for the dark light part, entropy makes sense becoems of the decorporealization and dissocciative capabilities, where pure light nurtures life and growth, dark light accelerates its degredatioin as well as control the natural mechanization of universal law or at least interfear with it, after all god did say let there be light.
And for wrath, well anger is ever fluctuating and changing from anger to rage ending in fury and back again, sometimes individual or sum total wrath can spontaneously transform on the fly. How is that not what it does, growing and evolving, asura from his titular game used his wrath to surpass opponents didn't he?Loki 71 (talk) 01:45, February 2, 2016 (UTC)
No it doesn't, and please don't quote religion for basis of your opinion.
Empowerments were added to explain to you how users power is affected by anger and for other reason, they don't have Absolute Condition by default or every Power Manifestation would have it for even better reason. That anger/wrath fluctuates doesn't allow user automatically be more powerful than their opponent every time. One user doesn't make it applicable to every one as has been said several times already. --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:08, February 2, 2016 (UTC)
fine, nevermind. Dunno why i even care.Loki 71 (talk) 06:24, February 2, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah well supernatural is A- Already In The Title, and B- doesnt cover most of the users. Oh and fyi i didn;t put those there so please quite placating your dumb rules on me.Loki 71 (talk) 21:25, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
actually, Desire Embodiment is more focused on Physical Desire, the wish part is just one of the meanings of Desire, the rest being all about physical desire. also, most users there just embodies physical desires, so Wish Embodiment is more of the wish-granting version of Desire Embodiment. L12345 (talk) 22:32, February 21, 2016 (UTC)
of coarse it is -_-, so what should be done, can't have multiple desire pages... can we?
which would bring up the question why neither of those are in desire embodiment, but you kinda already answered so....Loki 71 (talk) 22:38, February 21, 2016 (UTC)
well, like i said, Desire Embodiment is more focused on physical/emotional desire, Wish Embodiment is focused on Wish-granting, Desire Embodiment is focused on emotional desire, as the page itself makes very clear. so they are not the same thing actually. L12345 (talk) 22:41, February 21, 2016 (UTC)
I know that now. Oh and desire manifest and desire embodiment are the same thing.... plus all wishes register oin an emotional level, wants and needs tendomly erect personal wishes.Loki 71 (talk) 22:44, February 21, 2016 (UTC)
i was going to put Greed Manifestition, i mispeled it. look, just, let's just agree that: Desire Embodiment is about the physical desire meaning of desire, the sexual one, or Passion (one of the also called even is Passion Embodiment) while Wish Embodiment is about the wish-grating meaning of Desire. actually if i'am not mistaken there are other embodiments powers that are about different meaning of the same word. L12345 (talk) 22:48, February 21, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah i know, run into'em more than a dozon or so times i'm on here, eh.... alright.Loki 71 (talk) 22:55, February 21, 2016 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_depictions_of_spiders There, happy? Most of which are common legends, anansi, the fates, rumors about how ticks can regenerate from a severed head. Surprised no one bothered to post those long ago.Loki 71 (talk) 05:58, February 28, 2016 (UTC)
Peopl use physics to give rationalization to concepts all the time. it isn't about similarity its about how they're contrasts tie they're dualities.Loki 71 (talk) 20:44, February 28, 2016 (UTC)
Because it shouldn't be just about living in osolation but also finding or creating others like themselves, thats why i put it there; one who live beside himself should have no better company that me. And if not hive genetic which could, not can, could possibly create shifted spawn in ones likeness then what? what other power that fits with self-relience fits this ability?Loki 71 (talk) 17:46, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
Did you not read half the users who use this page? they usually have some sort of self-replicatory ability to them. So they nor the power is not half as lonely as you claim it is.Loki 71 (talk) 21:08, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
Infusion tags the power to already existing target, natural weapons are part of the user.
1) Restoration is about "restoring anything living or non-living to either their optimum state", don't go chancing it to something else just because you feel like it. We have rules against exactly that. If you want to make power that does what you changed it to, make one. Might be interesting idea actually...
2) because it's about restoring to optimum state, Healing is about returning to full health, Health Manipulation/Regeneration allow both healing and reversing it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 09:48, March 31, 2016 (UTC)
Same thing as quite a few times before, Manipulation allows both increasing and decreasing given power, in this case regeneration, when power is about pure restoration/healing.
Y'know what, save it. I'm done trying, fact i'm done with this wiki, you editors and all the others who make these pages (yes myself included apparently) are nothing but a bunch of no-good bastards. All of these powers and not a single one of them even remotley correct in they're creation or usage given the fact that they're all works of fiction, it should give it more leway for more powers but you just wanna put a damn rule on everything for pointless reasons. so forget it i've had it, this wiki sucks and i want no part of it anymore.Loki 71 (talk) 16:00, April 2, 2016 (UTC)
Before chancing Sound Manipulation back, note that Vibration Manipulation includes quite a bit more than sound and same goes to Rhythm Manipulation. So unless Sound can among other things manipulate atoms, phenomena, molecules and physics, leave them to Associations. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:15, April 24, 2016 (UTC)
Frequency Manipulation - "the number of occurrences of a repeating event per unit time, including sound frequencies, heart beat frequencies, rotation frequencies, radio frequencies, number of punches and kicks per second and even running frequencies." --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:49, April 25, 2016 (UTC)
Please don't add Embodiments to other Embodiments Applications or Techniques (or Variation if it isn't closely related to the power itself), that just messes things up. Related Manipulation works better. --Kuopiofi (talk) 10:32, May 9, 2016 (UTC)
Okay if that is your idea of a bad joke it is clearly Not FUNNY. Not Closely related? Combat and Violence? Really? Tell me you are not that dense. They mean the same thing; if your only reason for separating the two is because of their wording or what they represent than it makes me wonder how tyou became an admin editor of this wiki.Loki 71 (talk) 17:15, May 9, 2016 (UTC)
Did you ignore the part about not having Embodiment under other Embodiment? If they're so related put it into Variations.
No Embodiment under other Embodiment, I've repeated this how many times now...
Someone with Bio-Augmentation has augmented body/mind, meaning Enhanced Condition. Augmentations are the methods used to give them stat condition and those aren't something User gets. --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:08, May 15, 2016 (UTC)
Do more research before you make up wild claims....
Undetermined Existence is a power your basically either born with or your not. Its not something you can grant to other people, Its like Living Anomaly or Singularity, both are powers that can't be granted to others. You either have them or you don't. thats how it works. Remaking someone can't change that fact. Undetermined Existence is a being that is neither living, dead, amortal or undead. Its not something you can just give someone.
I didn't mean it for other use on others, I meant it strictly for the user. Sheesh what should have i said, user only, because you forget the man of miracles/mother of all has this power so that defeats the whole "no other user with this ability has this." bunk.Loki 71 (talk) 06:35, May 21, 2016 (UTC)
Please don't add him again.
That isn't even regenerative transformation. its more like cybernetic enhancement. Regenerative transformation would mean that his body would have had to produce that technology all by itself after he regenerated. He didn't produce it, it was added to his body manually.
O what do you knwo you beatnik, the ability to change after recovery from damage is the basis of the power. Most of you site manegers don't even bother to read the stuff these pages are baseed off of.Loki 71 (talk) 02:48, May 27, 2016 (UTC)
Your the one that doesn't know what your talking about. I do more research then you do. All the series I post my edits from I have personally read or seen at least 20 or 30 times. If you want to complain thats fine. but don't post characters that don't fit the power. And you really don't understand how most of the powers work here. Did doomsday actually regenerate into having technological parts? No he didn't, it was an artificial enhancement, it has nothing whatsoever to do with regeneration.
If your going to be rude, then just leave the wiki. As I am tired of dealing with people who don't understand how the powers work. Which you obviously don't, considering how many times you have argued with Kuopiofi about this kind of thing.
And most of your edits lately have been wrong or you don't understand the powers you post them in.
- 13b. Give the pic real, descriptive name, no random string of numbers/letters or image, file, etc. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:17, June 19, 2016 (UTC)
Did you add Augmentations to represent temporary boosts? If so, that is reasonable way to do it.
Also, Augmentation includes quite a bit more than can be in any way related to Bionic Physiology, so I removed that and spread the Variations to alphabetical order. Please check Restoration Augmentation to see if it's really something that you think should go to BP. --Kuopiofi (talk) 07:19, June 26, 2016 (UTC)
Reason why I removed Appearance Alteration Category from Ghost Physiology Variations is quite simply that it includes Transcendent Physiology and all it's Variations. --Kuopiofi (talk) 13:55, July 5, 2016 (UTC)
Please take a look on Form Manipulations Applications, it's only minority that affects physical form and only Omnifarious deals with actual physical/appearance changes. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:51, July 6, 2016 (UTC)
Mental Evolution and the speed force
Evolution- the process by which lifeforms evolve either over a period of time, trial and error, or by experience.
Bestowal- the act of granting abilities or skills to another person or group of people.
They aren't evolving, its more like they are being bestowed or borrowing powers from the speed force. Evolution, Mental or Otherwise, has nothing to do with it.
They are not a user, nor have they ever been one.
They didn't earn there powers through trial and error, experience or over a period of time, rather they are simply granted there powers from the start by the speed force or they are borrowing the power from it.SageM (talk) 16:52, July 8, 2016 (UTC)SageM
Exhibited by Max Mercury, whose communion with the Speed Force allows him to detect the motion of any object in the world, and especially to perceive other speedsters. Wally West exhibited a similar ability which allowed him to perceive Linda across time and space due to the strength of their bond.
Total recall – Exhibited by Bart Allen, who can retain everything he speed-reads (in contrast to other speedsters, who only retain the information temporarily).
Nothing here states anything about evolution, mental or otherwise. Its just an ability they were bestowed or borrowed from the speed force.
That'ed be because it hadn't been updated yet. In the New52 when reality changed the pseed force and many of its applications changed too, don't beleive me? Here, check again; http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Speed_Force#New_52.Loki 71 (talk) 17:09, July 8, 2016 (UTC)
In the caves below the city, the elders show Barry cave paintings which show the city's history. A great light hit the Mayan civilization and wiped them out. That same lightning hit the gorillas and sped up their minds, allowing them to see past, present and future. With each new generation, though, the Gorillas have been losing their connection with the Light.
Evolution cannot be lost. its a permanent part of ones nature. this is from flash volume 4 9
Sorry but the point still stands. evolution has no part in the speed force.
You just contradicted yourself, of coarse Evolution isn't given but activated, I'm telling you thats what the speed force does. Mental evolution isn't or shouldn't be just about bestowing it; but accelerating it too. So sorry that i'm not sorry but i dont accept that, and stop with the i'm sorry bit because, no your not.Loki 71 (talk) 17:32, July 8, 2016 (UTC)
If your going to argue with what the comic itself says then I would rather if you didn't edit the page. As you would be breaking the rules of the wikia by changing the content to suit your own opinion.SageM (talk) 17:33, July 8, 2016 (UTC)SageM
So tell em what it is that your doing thats different? you say it doesnt i say it does, you only have a greater say simply becuase your an editor of the page.Loki 71 (talk) 17:35, July 8, 2016 (UTC)
No more new categories.
Don't go adding Embodiments or Lodrships to other pages unless they are Variation of that power (ie. not into Variations among others, Variation of that power). They have implications that plain Manipulation doesn't have.
Don't add Embodiments or Lodrships to pages unless they are Variations of that power (ie. not into Variations among others, Variation of that power) or in Associations. That's official warning now. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:42, July 17, 2016 (UTC)
20. When you make powers that are sub-powers, techniques, Variations, etc. of some other power, add them to those pages.
Hi I was looking at your Gandharva page and I was wondering if a few applications could be added if that's allright with you.
As the guardians of soma, would they not have Immortality Bestowal and either Strength Calling or Blessing Inducement/Power Bestowal of Light Manipulation. Being that soma is a ritualistic drink that bestows immortality and said to grant either the strength of the gods or the light of the gods.
Soma is crafted from a plant that is known by the Gandharva, and can only be pressed into the drink during a full moon. (which is said to be the cup of which the gods drink soma from. Full moon when the moon is full of soma, new moon when empty, when the moon is waneing it is being drank buy the gods, and waxing when it is refilling) (interestingly, Soma refers to the drink, the plant it is derived from, and the Lunar deity who creates/supplies the gods with Soma. Thus Soma uses Soma to create Soma XD)
Meta Space-Time Manipulation goes in associations now.
Leave meta space and meta time manipulation as they are and add meta space-time manipulation to associations. As we have all three powers now and those two pages have to stay in the applications as its against the rules to remove them completely from applications.SageM (talk) 05:21, July 30, 2016 (UTC)SageM
When you add to Gallery, make sure they are in Users too.
Temporal Speed is about using speed to simulate temporal powers.
Chronokinetic Combat is about combining time/temporal powers in combat.
First of all... we both coined the whole lifeless body deal with appendage generation years ago, I thought it fit so i added it. As for cerberus, many fables depict him with snakes ejecting all around his body or him having more or less than just three heads let alone body parts.Loki 71 (talk) 05:07, August 2, 2016 (UTC)
Source for those fables? Never seen one, I've seen few where he spews poison around but that's it.
"Multi-headed (usually three, up to hundred is mentioned)" but it's never been anything more than special effect, having Appendage Generation would mean he'd have ability to generate those heads "on stage".
Its more believable than spewing poison or having snakes for hair, In differetn interperetations he's said to actually be part snake and have hundreds of serpent heads. others say he has three backs or is able to split into three bodies.Loki 71 (talk) 05:17, August 2, 2016 (UTC)
Sources? really? care to explain where the whole poison pitch comes from on your end?Loki 71 (talk) 15:19, August 2, 2016 (UTC)
Then remove the poison bunk then.Loki 71 (talk) 15:36, August 2, 2016 (UTC)
Oh Dotn't Give Me That. If you have to ask then you clearly never bothered to read or watch Ghostbusters, Evil Dead, Danny Phantom, God of War, Supernatural or even read the book on the old Testimate. Each of which lamp shade a call sign or all but entail to armegeddon in their own way due to ghost effect.Loki 71 (talk) 20:11, August 7, 2016 (UTC)
I was actually already planning to return it when I popped back here next time, it's back up now.
In all honesty, main problem was the name as Poltergeization... well, it just isn't word or much related to what the power does. Can't say that I can think better one myself, but as Poltergeist Physiology is closest to the name you used, it's pretty inaccurate. I have vague memories that there's comic/cartoon where this was done, but I can't remember what they called it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 07:00, August 9, 2016 (UTC)
Techniques: Powers that user either has to learn or have a knack to do, possibly both.
Collision Inducement "take any two or more bodies of masses, energies, matters, elements or forces" is far more than radiation.
Telepathic Combat " fuse their telepathic powers with physical combat, reading their opponents' plans as they make them, using telepathic attacks, etc.", nothing about making them solid. --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:52, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
Clearly you didn't chekc the Also Called, Look under Quantum Energy/Radiation Manipulation. Als ever hear of particle collission is radiation and nuclear physics? I have.Loki 71 (talk) 18:51, August 17, 2016 (UTC)
Quantum Energy/Radiation Manipulation... where exactly?
Srlsy? look up Quantum Manipulation it has a / going through it. And no i'm not refering to Nuke manipulation, I read up that in particle physics and radiation testing that precise irradiant manipulations can bring about collission effects ranging from antimatter to quantum uncertainty.Loki 71 (talk) 19:01, August 17, 2016 (UTC)
12. No repeated Editing/Undoing of the same thing. If this becomes problem take it to Comments/Talk and talk it out instead of repeatedly messing with the page. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:04, August 20, 2016 (UTC)
How exactly does "manipulating mystical/physical forces on quantum level" make you "become the driving force and spinner of all magical energy in a reality"?
How does being Lord of mythical beings give you domain over anything? Especially on level of "driving force and spinner of (...) magical energy in a reality", even if limited to one species? --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:27, August 25, 2016 (UTC)
You just answered your own question, Quantum energy makes up the entireity of the meta/pata and/or omniphysical structures of time, space and reality. Ego by tacking into it on a mystical leel one is priming into utilizing and becoming the sourcwecode for most if not all magics in a given universe.
And lord of ythical beings, Really? it's all but in the name. Vampire lord, werebeast lord, undead lord. All the lords either are or stand in regency of representing their particular realm of influence, likewise if they represent whatever domain they hold sway over then they also conttol the fate of it and all affected by their pressence as such. You ask how being lord gives you dominion? I counter with how does it not?Loki 71 (talk) 15:27, August 25, 2016 (UTC)
Uh, yeah. Also yes and no for Adam because the cosmic tier mystisicm happened when the Magus took him over, the same could be said of Thanos too, and on multiple counts i'll add.Loki 71 (talk) 21:50, August 25, 2016 (UTC)
Sources to those claims about immortality/basilisk apocalypse? Because immortality is pretty hard to justify when there are so many known methods to make them die.
Two legs equals Multiple Legs? Even four isn't this.
Prehensile Wings - what?
Some iterations have more that four legs not two, heck a few of them use their own wings as apposable digits. Hence, multiple legs and prehensile wings, http://monster.wikia.com/wiki/Cockatrice here's the source both for the Basalisk cataclysm and it's immortality, i call it conditional because there isn't a power listing that suggests immortality under certain conditions.
So Yes i stand by my idea's just as i stood by the variant of demonization you deleted. So what if it was covered by demonization, what happened to derivitive pages related to the core hmm? it was a separate power in universe made real in different media and if you tell me its because the sources were lacking than what the blip was the point new pages and powers if it conflicts with your sense of like and dislike and not the rules of the wiki.Loki 71 (talk) 15:12, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
Thats not the point, my beef is other people make other pages that are covered by other pages all the time. Rakasha or asura is a another type of demon yet it got its own page, what was so wrong about make a variation to demonization?Loki 71 (talk) 17:13, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
Four Queens is Pathfinder title of specific four devil (LE outsider) beings, not something to put on Also Called.
Well what do you want, And frankly i stopped loistening to you long ago. But the fact is corruption manipulation cannot corrode multiple existances. So sorry but no i'm not satisfied with this.Loki 71 (talk) 04:59, September 7, 2016 (UTC)
14. If you're told and shown the Rule you've broken, and you ignore this and repeat it for more than five times, it results 1 days block. Repeats after this increase the block time. Embodiment rule is on Page Creation and Details.
6. Do not change the content of a existing page for your benefit.
Motion: "change in position of an object with respect to time. Motion is typically described in terms of displacement, distance, velocity, acceleration, time and speed". In other words: motion is change of location in space/time, not manipulating them. If you have reasons to say otherwise, let's hear them. --Kuopiofi (talk) 07:00, September 12, 2016 (UTC)
Time and Space are as much governed by motion as we and the world at alrge is, without motion to push them forward reality would just sit still never moving forward. So no i'm not changing things for my own benifit I am stating a simple fact, otherwise why put the flash or concepts like the speed force at the fore of this page given what they represent?Loki 71 (talk) 15:06, September 12, 2016 (UTC)
"Time and Space are as much governed by motion as we and the world at large is, without motion to push them forward reality would just sit still never moving forward." What? Time/space would be in stasis if there wasn't anything to move in them? Because I remind you again, motion is "change in position of an object with respect to time. Motion is typically described in terms of displacement, distance, velocity, acceleration, time and speed" nothing else.
"flash or concepts like the speed force"? What? Are you talking about Flash Step? Because that's just moving fast enough to appear to teleport, how's any support for your idea of space-time manipulation?
Speed Force? Speedster Physiology? Because that's one that I moved to Associations and that's defined as "possess an enhanced physiology suited for immense speeds". How is that related to S-TM. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:24, September 12, 2016 (UTC)
No I mean The Flash as in Barry Allen, Wallace West, Johnny Quick and the like. Primerily however I'm refering to the Speed Force in general. The force of motion that pushes the univers and evidently the multiverse forward, the different vibrational frequencies again related to motion that allows one to either slip between the boundries cordoning off different realities from one another or blend said continuums together. As for Speedster physiology, I dunno I didn't add that; forgot to leave it out of the undo.Loki 71 (talk) 17:14, September 12, 2016 (UTC)
(eye roll) Then remove them instead of starting to change the power to fit the Users.
Something that I thought was so obvious that it didn't need to be even mentioned: when you want to know what the power does, first definition is the Capabilities. Everything else is secondary, Applications, Techniques and Variations define/tell what the power does, Associations are connected to it, Limitations tell about the obvious weaknesses and exceptions.
Users, USERS? Really??? You put the Speed Force and the flash on this page in the foreground, then change it due to conflicting ideas. And you have to ask about the obvious? Most every user of the Speed Force has sway over time and or space plus its varying effects using motion as it's base; Thats What the speed force does. Heck quicksilver and speed from Marvel Comics apply this to their powers sometimes using the motion of space & time if properly amplified.Loki 71 (talk) 00:06, September 13, 2016 (UTC)
"Most every user of the Speed Force has sway over time and or space plus its varying effects using motion as it's base; Thats What the speed force does." translates to "since the Users power isn't what this power is described/defined as, the power is changed". Completely misses the point: if the User doesn't fit the power they are on, it's not the power that gets changed. It's the Users that won't fit the power that get removed.
Added rule to Page Creation and Details to deal with this, tho that's just other way to say "Do not change the content of a existing page for your benefit". Making this second warning. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:41, September 13, 2016 (UTC)
Zombie Lord Physiology
I don't think Meta Regeneration should be asscociated with Zombie Lords, just Supernatural Regenaration.
Control Manipulation: "manipulate the "controls" of anything and everything"
Motor-Skill Manipulation: "control motor functions of others against their will"
Saw it, didn't care for either, given who the user of the power was and How he used it. Another thing, Three people with ley line manipulation have manipulated the boundries related to them so would you please drop the close minded crap?Loki 71 (talk) 05:07, September 24, 2016 (UTC)
Why is it that you always think that since one user can do something, the power allows every one do the same? This is exactly same thing we had over Motion Manipulation few messages above. Think what the power does before starting to change it to fit to which-ever User you're focusing on.
Does it occur to you that there are users that have more than one power instead of adding every single one some of them can use instead of cramming all on the same power? --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:18, September 24, 2016 (UTC)
Thats not the point, First of all there are multiple users who have done what i've suggested it can do, Secondly this isn't about single users with multiple powers, i've given you multiple sources of those users with similar powers to previous but you always shot it down simply because you dont like it. So drop the one person and everyone can or can't do bit because that isn't the case here.Loki 71 (talk) 05:37, September 24, 2016 (UTC)
"Does it occur to you that there are users that have more than one power instead of adding every single one some of them can use instead of cramming all on the same power?"
Where is the "one" in that? In "more than one power"?
Unnatural Size: "The user either possesses a level of physical size either greater or smaller than that of a normal member of their species, or is simply a member of a species that is naturally bigger or smaller than humans."
Amazons and from Capabilities "all-female warriors in Greek mythology and Classical antiquity", mind pointing to me which on of those has been created by gods and more to the point where did they get actual divine intervention? If you're pointing towards DC Amazons, well, that's single verse and not more than that. Source/link for those other divinely created amazons and proof that every single one of them can call/receive up divine help?
Because Applications= Powers that pretty much every user could use with minimal training, the basic set essentially means that if it's on Applications, not being able to do it is very much exception. --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:33, September 28, 2016 (UTC)
Uh, not just DC Genius, Marvel fiction has it, Regular myth and fables have it, Herculese the Legendary Journeys even. Those are my sources but i doubt you cared to look that up because your going about your methodogical rant again without actually looking into any of those sources yourself. Honestly you always bring up rules when you often brushed them off yourself in editing pages, just like in cerberus or motion manipulation and otherwise but when I bring up somthing you don't like and bust me for it. Hell even when I provide those sources and references you still give me grief, Speaking of. Here's the sources for the Cerberus having multi bodies, like it matters though knowing you. http://greek-myth.wikia.com/wiki/Cerberus, https://www.wikiplanet.click/enciclopedia/EN/Cerberus, https://www.everipedia.com/Cerberus/ Loki 71 (talk) 17:44, September 28, 2016 (UTC)
Again : Applications = Powers that pretty much every user could use with minimal training, the basic set essentially means that if it's on Applications, not being able to do it is very much exception.
You're telling me that every amazon, no matter the source/verse can get divine attention/help? Because that's what putting it into Applications means. --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:50, September 28, 2016 (UTC)
Pft! yeah, pretty much. Last I checked every Amazon I've seen or looked up prays to some higher power for either their victory or strength. Be it in battle and in day to day life, doesn't matter if they're mystically created or otherwise one or all of their culture always seeks some kind divine prominance.Loki 71 (talk) 17:53, September 28, 2016 (UTC)
Light is on Variations already.
Ray/Beam Manipulation is "rays and beams, including sunlight, plasma, ultraviolet, normal light, x-rays, cosmic rays, gamma rays, laser, electric, magnetic, pure energy, infrared, etc." in other words, quite a bit more than light. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:41, September 29, 2016 (UTC)
When you Undo Edits, mind taking a look at the other changes aside those you want to remove? Having to fix the things that have nothing to do with your Edits (empty line on the last) is annoying. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:53, September 30, 2016 (UTC)
Says so in the source i looked up, "The Greek myths and the Homeric poems sanctified in stories that Hephaestus had a special power to produce motion." Same place the last editor who made the page got said sources from, as for social? There isn't a Manufacturing and Industrial Manipulations page last i checked, which i did thoroghly. Social was about as close as i'd ever get so unless you've got somthing better in mind, Butt Out.Loki 71 (talk) 01:18, October 1, 2016 (UTC)
I can deal with that.
You could always create the Manufacturing/Industrial Manipulations page.
Removed Appendage Generation as that means literally creating new appendages instead of just differing descriptions. If you can actually find source where he can create new ones as needed, then it's different story. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:59, October 1, 2016 (UTC)
Here's this, a page from Moral Awareness of Greek Tragedy https://books.google.com/books?id=bjwfAQAAQBAJ&pg=PA253&lpg=PA253&dq=cerberus+Euripides+three+bodies&source=bl&ots=VuIkIJ1Pk6&sig=7n0awRfvuGGHz-TygSOcNiFYAOw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjsx6rWirnPAhVBziYKHSP6B3QQ6AEIQjAH#v=onepage&q=three%20bodies&f=false
And there is this preciept from Euripides Heracles. https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/e/euripides/heracles/ look up "That Hound With Bodies Three". I also found other interesting points probably related to his magic, like each of the heads either personifying past, present and futrue while another tale says they represent birth, youth and eventual age anyway this is where i got that http://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends-europe/cerberus-legendary-hell-hound-underworld-003142.Loki 71 (talk) 07:53, October 1, 2016 (UTC)
Removed Appendage Generation as that means literally creating new appendages instead of just differing descriptions. If you can actually find source where he can create new ones as needed, then it's different story.
Also, please give me a quote instead of whole thing, as much as I like new sources, trying to find sentence you're talking about isn't something I like to do when in hurry. --Kuopiofi (talk) 09:21, October 1, 2016 (UTC)
You know, given that Fenrir and Cerberus are quite commonly used on quite a few medias I'd say they both could have their own page. There's certainly material to draw from. --Kuopiofi (talk) 12:39, October 1, 2016 (UTC)
20. When you make powers that are sub-powers, techniques, Variations, etc. of some other power, add them to those pages.
- 20a. Same goes to Editing existing powers.
The last time i did that it was upended, remember when I added prehensile so-so to Prehensile Muscles? it got re-edited, by you.Loki 71 (talk) 05:21, October 2, 2016 (UTC)
Uplifting is to "grant them wonders such as gifts, knowledge, powers or even a higher existence". Mental Evolution is nothing more than part of that, not something that allows you to do the whole thing. --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:27, October 7, 2016 (UTC)
I'm well awasre of what it is yet you are forgetting the fact that Uplifting of the mind also enables the advancement of the body be it through science or corporeal ascendence. So yes i stand by mental evolution causing one a form of uplifting.Loki 71 (talk) 08:44, October 7, 2016 (UTC)
Mental advancement isn't the same thing as making physical changes. It may allow the target to make the changes, but in itself making someone smarter or granting them mental powers isn't going to change the flesh. --Kuopiofi (talk) 10:56, October 7, 2016 (UTC)Tha
ts not what i mean, My point is in many cases a Mind can advance to a point where it doesn't need a bodty to operate. I can name a few people like that off the bat. But yes Mental evolution can cause transformations in some rare cases.Loki 71 (talk) 15:57, October 7, 2016 (UTC)
After giving this bit of a though, I think that you're thinking Ascended Physiology instead of Uplifting. It's certainly more about mental/spiritual being than UpL. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:44, October 7, 2016 (UTC)
7a. If you change the name, it's your job to change the links for that power. Here's the list.
And before you go chancing Mental Evolution note Associations definition: "Powers that are related (ie. powers, this power is a sub-power/variation/technique/etc.), connected, or those that the user may be able to gain." By your own definition those you've been adding are on that category and go to Associations. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:02, October 8, 2016 (UTC)
Have I been so lenient with you that you feel confident to flaunt the rules of this site?
7a. If you change the name, it's your job to change the links for that power. Here's the list. I'm giving you 24 hours for that and then revert the name/links to original form. Please note 14a. Ignoring warnings and mass-repeating rule-break in short amount of time (3/day) gives Admin right to slap you as fast and hard as they feel like. Ignoring this will count as that third one.
Before you go chancing Mental Evolution note Associations definition: "Powers that are related (ie. powers, this power is a sub-power/variation/technique/etc.), connected, or those that the user may be able to gain." By your own definition those you've been adding are on that category and go to Associations.
- 6. Do not change the content of a existing page for your benefit. Second warning.
As for Archdemon Physiology: no Embodiments, those that are left are there only because we don't have other powers that cover those points. Can't remember how many times I've already told you this but there's more than few, so let's go with second warning.
Well, you left the Mental Evolution unchanged so I believe you've read these. But ignoring the rest of the points I've made isn't helping your case.
- "14b: Blatantly flaunting rules after having been told of them, even if by non-Admin, results instant and long block." I'm giving you three days timeout to think about it, please don't try to say I haven't given you plenty of changes to answer or fix things.
Heard it and it doesn't matter, you editors and your idiotic rules are just too ding damn inane to put up with , so take your worthless warnings and yourselves along with it and please shove your jerkasses into a treeshredder please. Because this time, Now and Forever, I am done with the Superpower Wiki, all these rules you make up after years of having done nothing with some of the pages that should strike a chord with them, only to act on it when someone does somthing to grab our otherwise complaycent attentions.
It's utter rubbish, its what devalues wikis in general in my opinion; but then again wherever I go. Be it in real life or over the web apparently its always the same. Some idiots always bickering and countermanding one another simply becuase of some inane rule you made up in the next 60 seconds, years after they were put up for whatever dumb as walnuts reasons you people came up with to impose them in the first place. Now you decide when it was already put up for a year and a half now that embodiments don't even fit with god or demonic archetypes? whose the no wit nimrod who came up with that? Well it doesn't matter, especially your opinion in this case because i've had my fill of everybody constantly deriding whatever idea i come up with.
Hell part of the reason why i don't bother to create pages is because you or someone else will bog it simply becuase you think it doesn't fit. But then again you make up the rules, even your own when they don't really hold alot of meaning to anything, it's just plain moronic so that says alot about the people who enforce them. Either way I'll not be apart of this mundane utility any more, I quit, I'm done and I never wanna hear from you or anybody on this page again.
Still trying to figure out how to quit getting email notices of changes on this data sink of a website but for good, ill, or really I just don't give a crap in all honesty. I never wanna see, hear or so much as think about another schmuk hosting this useless, overhyped, fantasy blog Ever Again. Thanks to my horrid experiances with this page and others I'm pretty much about ready to flip the bird at every wiki that has ever come to be created period, really they're not worth bothering with. Might as well be a nesting ground for hackers and identity theives, make it a target for E-Bombs dumps for people too dumb to know better.Loki 71 (talk) 06:15, October 9, 2016 (UTC)
So Yeah, I have nothing more to say to you other than drop dead, burn in hell and I hope you rot and die like the useless sodding twat that you are you unimportant unintelligable and all around infuriating jerkass waste of space. Not like you don't get enough of that from all the User talk: notices I get about you and other site manegers, personally I don't even get why the hell I even got mesages about messages edited on YOUR talk page, it was flipping annoying.Loki 71 (talk) 05:25, October 10, 2016 (UTC)