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Not all users of the Embodiment Powers have to be a literal embodiment, being a representation of/representing something also counts. Athena and Ares represented the strategic and violent aspects of war, respectively

Stop removing them. Tsubasa16 (talk) 22:56, November 24, 2018 (UTC)

And here is what Power Manifestation, the power that covers all embodiment powers, says:

"The power to represent a certain power, quality, concept, emotion or elemental force.".  The "Embodiments" powers covers all sorts of represetation of something, from simply, well, representing, to being a manifestation or personifying and embodying. Lots of embodiment powers also have users who representation or manifestation of something, and aren't the literal thing Tsubasa16 (talk) 23:03, November 24, 2018 (UTC)

Also, you say you don't find anything saying they are embodiments? then i guess you're not actually search and only saying what you know, here, taken directly from Wikipedia:

"Athena represented the disciplined, strategic side of war, in contrast to her brother Ares, the patron of violence, bloodlust, and slaughter—"the raw force of war".[46][47] 

They are personifications of war, representing different aspects, do not remove them again and search better before removing valid users. Tsubasa16 (talk) 23:05, November 24, 2018 (UTC)

As i already explained, the "Embodiment" powers covers all sorts of represantation, the name "embodiment' is one conscientency as all the representation powers are called as "embodiment", the also called are also not always applied to all users, it's just alternate ways the powers can be called, just like some of the embodiment powers have "Incarnate/Representation/Manifestation" on the also called.

Uhhm, you are aware that this "Greekmythology wiki" is not a source, right? it is literally a fan-wiki about greek myth. Also, why are you even quoting the Riordian wiki??? Riordian series is a book series based around Greek Myths, IT IS NOT A SOURCE OF/ABOUT MYTHOLOGY, it is a book series BASED on greek mythology, you're linking it as if the Riordian series literally was Greek Mythology, and not a book series inspired by it, it is just a book series that has greek myth on it.

The only source you gave that is valid is But even then, it is only one good source, just as wikipedia is as well, one thing being said in one but not on the other doesn't make it any less valid. Ares and Athena are personifications of aspects of war, just accept that and don't remove them again, in fact better avoid removing any Greco-Roman characters from any page, only adding, for that matter. Tsubasa16 (talk) 23:23, November 24, 2018 (UTC)

I wonder what part of "Representing also counts" you still didn't get. They may not be the literal embodiments of the concept of war, but they are representation of aspects of war, i already said that several times, they count, and period

Giving me sources that do not mention they being personifications will not change anything, i already said, "One thing being said in one source but not being mentioned on other doesn't make it any less valid", without also counting the fact Wikipedia is more of a reliable source than any of the sources you gave.

And in fact, several of your sources say that Ares and Athena are representations? one mentions Ares is the "unpleasant aspects of war/battle", other that "Ares is the Olympian god of war. However, unlike Athena, represents merely its destructive capacity and is typically the personification of sheer violence and brutality" on literally the very first page and also that he personified war's violence and brutality, are you even actually looking at your own sources? they countradict what you're saying, literally.

Stop trying to argue when literally the sources you're giving to say they are not say that they are. Just stop. Tsubasa16 (talk) 23:38, November 24, 2018 (UTC)

"i disagree with you on this to the point that hell, why not make a page for things that represent but don't embody things? because seriously, from all online sources i have found no, they don't embody war, they merely represent it"

Because as i already explained, the "Embodiment" powers cover all sorts or representation, such as personifying, incarnating, manifesting, representing, and embodiment. they are all covered by the "embodiment" power, there is no need to make a separate power because literally the only difference would be the Power's name and nothing else. Tsubasa16 (talk) 23:41, November 24, 2018 (UTC)

Using specific meaning of "Representation" that have nothing to do with the context is nothing going to change anything either, if seen to ignore one of the meanings is also:

"be a symbol or embodiment of (a particular quality or thing). Synonimous:  symbolize, stand for, personify, epitomize, typify, embody, illustrate. "a character representing a single quality"

Representing is covered by "Embodiment" as one of the meaning of representing is literally to embody or be a symbol of something, it is a valid also called and is covered by the Embodiment powers.

Honestly, just drop it already, It's a fact that the "embodiment powers" covers all sorts of representation, and that is not going to be changed, and Ares and Athena are valid users. You will possibly only end up being blocked by one of the admins for countinously removing valid users, and i say that as a advice, not a threat. Tsubasa16 (talk) 23:51, November 24, 2018 (UTC)

As i said, the problem is not you adding valid things like Hydros and such, or the nightmare gods on Oneiric Physiology, it is simply you removing valid users from powers, which is wrong to do, that's simply it, other than that i didn't notice you doing anything truly "wrong" so far. Tsubasa16 (talk) 23:55, November 24, 2018 (UTC)

The admins would say that it's either already covered by the Embodiment power, or that is too similar to be a different power, which is why all sorts of representation are already covered by the "Embodiment powers" in the first place.

And like i already explained, "Representation" CAN ALSO mean to embody or be a symbol of something, as well as other definitions that fit to the idea of so. So really there is no reason to keep arguing about that.  Tsubasa16 (talk) 00:02, November 25, 2018 (UTC)

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