When you add to pages, please use Alphabetical order. --Kuopiofi (talk) 10:23, February 11, 2015 (UTC)
Please read the definition and especially Limitations of N-OP. Basically if the user is omnipotent not including single limitation, they are this, if it means that they can do everything else but not remove someones free will it's N-OP. If they are omnipotent in their own dimension it's N-OP.
And that definitely includes CA. --Kuopiofi (talk) 12:57, February 13, 2015 (UTC)
It's basically the same thing, as you realize. DYBAD (talk) 10:17, February 16, 2015 (UTC)
Change Embodiment was originally just "Change", it was renamed as "Embodiment" because "Change Manipulation" didn't actually mean much. The power is ultimately as much about changing things as it is about controling change, and those with power of change in its rawest form are usually aspects/expressions of it anyway (makes sense, only credible origin for such a power). DYBAD (talk) 10:28, February 16, 2015 (UTC)
Transmutation is defined as "transform, alter or transmute matter, energy, elements, objects, beings (animals, aliens, mythical beings, etc.), etc into anything else", which covers the first part. Logic Manipulation does the same with logic. We did have Concept Creation at some point, but it seems to have been deleted.
Basically you have the parts that allow transformation of physical matter and logic, only concept transformation is missing. If you do this power, just add them as Sub-powers. --Kuopiofi (talk) 12:41, February 16, 2015 (UTC)
The life entity for life lordship and nekron for death lordship.SageM (talk) 00:08, February 17, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Remember to add categories
Is it seriously that hard to remember to add categories to your new pages? Add them before finishing the pages.SageM (talk) 06:50, February 17, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Life lordship: Better life entity pic.
When you add the life lordship I have a better pic of the life entity then one on the site that actually shows it using its powers. here it is-
Use this one insteadSageM (talk) 07:09, February 17, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Sorry to bud in, but I may be able to help with a alternate name for Absolute Change, how does Absolute Reconstruction sound. TheRavageBeast (talk) 10:58, February 17, 2015 (UTC)
Oh, but ti could still be put in Also Called. TheRavageBeast (talk) 11:07, February 17, 2015 (UTC)
Or how about Absolute Adjustment/Readjustment, those are some I came Up with. TheRavageBeast (talk) 11:14, February 17, 2015 (UTC)
I know you're exited of having a new power that's popular, but consider what powers are most meaningful to the concept you're after and drop the rest, otherwise you're making massive list and then it has to be cut down to basics anyway.
Also note that adding any of the major powers of Omnipotence (top of Applications, before specific examples) are something you don't go adding into other powers. --Kuopiofi (talk) 12:57, February 17, 2015 (UTC)
Take a good look on which of those Applications are the most important to the Absolute Chance and remove the rest, otherwise you're making massively long list and those get cut down.
And no Omnipotence into other powers Applications, even other Omni-powers are iffy. Go for Nigh-powers instead. --Kuopiofi (talk) 13:03, February 17, 2015 (UTC)
The exception are usually variations of OP, which AE frankly should be. There's only one OP in any verse, if there's two or more on the top they are N-OP because their limitation is that they can't destroy each others.
Right now that's the only difference between other Fire Manipulation Variations, so yes. --Kuopiofi (talk) 14:20, February 17, 2015 (UTC)
If by nearly all you mean Absolute Existence, Perspective Manipulation and Logic Manipulation, that's three of 18. AE should be OP Variation, PM and LM need re-checking for that part.
Regardless, no OP. Getting OP by using AC would be like getting full Fire Manipulation when you start with nothing but Fire Transmutation. --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:53, February 17, 2015 (UTC)
Just want to ask, how can Difference Manipulation an application of Absolute Change since by definition change means "becoming different". --Blackwings369 (talk) 16:13, February 17, 2015 (UTC)
If something doesn't become different from its original form, you can't call that change. And I also like to hear more about other meanings, specifically. --Blackwings369 (talk) 16:27, February 17, 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, but all of those examples fall right under Difference Manipulation; so long as you make something different than what it originally is, it "becoming different" already.
Let me ask you this question : You use Absolute Change to change something, how do you know if that things has changed if not because of the differences before and after you use Absolute Change? --Blackwings369 (talk) 16:47, February 17, 2015 (UTC)
It's okay, I understand, Difference Manipulation has one Also Called name as Change Manipulation, so I think Absolute Change is a more powerful version of it. Thank for your answer. --Blackwings369 (talk) 17:05, February 17, 2015 (UTC)
Are you aware what's the difference between being other power's Sub-power or Variation and having that power as Application? CM is Variation of OP, OM is Sub-power of OP and Perfection has it in Associations. They don't have OP as Application. Check Page Creation and Details for those terms.
And the answer is no. Stop asking. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:25, February 17, 2015 (UTC)
There's no definite number, but generally speaking if they start taking most of the screen height you got too much. Right now they cover 'bout half, so you could probably add some more, but it's getting there.
Might want to concentrate on the quality of those links more than quantity. Basically, which of those Applications are most relevant for the power, and which aren't that meaningful. --Kuopiofi (talk) 12:40, February 18, 2015 (UTC)
Scroll Applications to the top of the screen and look how much is left below them.
And please stop adding "without limits", it's already clear from the description and adding it just look like you're trying to to make the point far too obvious. --Kuopiofi (talk) 13:33, February 18, 2015 (UTC)
Concepts are basically ideas/defenitions. Absolute change manipulates actual changes and not concepts.
Because restoring something to it's original state is to heal it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:43, February 19, 2015 (UTC)
Sure.SageM (talk) 23:58, February 20, 2015 (UTC)SageM
no, that isn't a possible application of the power.SageM (talk) 01:52, February 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Absolute Thievery: emotion absorption/separation
Emotion Separation works better then emotion absorption, since it can be used to absorb and negate emotions. plus you actually are separating the persons emotions with absolute thievery, not merely absorbing them. Plus you listed emotion absorption twice. ^^;;SageM (talk) 02:33, February 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Might as well, check AM for how it could look like. --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:30, February 21, 2015 (UTC)
Absolute Thievery, only one possible limitation
Actually it doesn't matter if you have power anchoring or not, absolute thieves can steal from you. Thief has stolen from both chaos and sarda. both of whom have power anchoring. there is seriously only one limitation to this power, and thats omnilock. Since all an absolute thief has to do is steal the concept of power anchoring and they can steal their powers. I am trying to be rude or anything but seriously unless you are omnilocked there is no possible way to avoid the effects of absolute thievery, power anchoring or no.SageM (talk) 19:53, February 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Maybe, let me think about it and I will get back to you.SageM (talk) 19:59, February 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Immutability doesn't matter really since its just considered a sub-power of power anchoring, non existence has nothing to do with this power and not sure about omni-negation, and this power can defeat even Meta Power Manipulation(in fact it can defeat all forms of manipulation)by the simple act of stealing the concept of Stealing/Theft. Read the comment I posted on the AT page so you know what I am talking about. ^^ still trying to decide about Absolute Restoration, I am working on 4 different things at once so it will take a while to decide.SageM (talk) 20:18, February 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM
AT: Concept of theft
Stealing and theft go further then just what we know of, free radicals steal by stripping electrons, our bodies steal calories in order to keep going, the air we are breathing we are technically stealing from the planet, the commandment- "Though Shall Not Steal" doesn't really mean anything since we are all constantly stealing something in our lives, whether or not were aware of it. But if you steal the concept of stealing and theft, then none of those things would work, existence literally couldn't function properly anymore. and various forms of manipulation powers have to do with stealing at some level or another.
Does that explain things better?SageM (talk) 20:37, February 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM
I forgot to mention that not even Non-existence would work, since one of AT's users is able to steal from nothingness itself, thus she could bring back AT even if was erased. Seriously thats what she is able to steal from, its literally described that way in the webcomic there from.
As for the other 3 powers I will let you know.SageM (talk) 20:48, February 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM
One of the users, Roxy from Homestuck, has the power to steal from Nothingness, allowing her to steal anything back that has been erased or removed. Also you have to remember that logic doesn't mean squat to Absolute Thievery, after all Thief can steal himself or steal his own soul back from the dead even if he is dead, rules literally don't apply to an Absolute thief, since they can just steal them too....SageM (talk) 21:03, February 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM
I will answer your question with a quote from the Logic Manipulation page-
"Everything is possible, whether it makes sense or not."
Thats basically the best way to describe Absolute Thievery, the power isn't supposed to make sense, it just works whether or not we believe. After all these are characters who steal things that shouldn't be possible to steal. ^^;;;SageM (talk) 21:22, February 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM
I don't know how you do it, but when ever you do something on Dungeon Manipulation, it messes completely Architecture Manipulation link on top. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:18, February 22, 2015 (UTC)
Absolute Change seems perfect, hard to think of an alternate good name. And yes, as a sub-power EL fits. DYBAD (talk) 23:47, February 22, 2015 (UTC)
Absolute Melting as a variation of Absolute Burning ? Melting things down instead of incinerating them ? Reminds me of an episode of Heroes, in which Sylar melted objects and even people without burning them. DYBAD (talk) 23:29, February 25, 2015 (UTC)
Perhaps you should consider not monopolizing my attention so much ? ^ ^; DYBAD (talk) 03:55, February 26, 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your understanding :) So, what would Red Strings do ? I more or less get that they connect people in a fate-like way, but what would it look like as a power ? DYBAD (talk) 20:45, February 26, 2015 (UTC)
Not really, no. But some may ask admins in case of issues (like, existence of a page that already covers it or whatnot) that the page may cause. But no, it's not really needed Gabriel456 (talk) 00:26, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
yeah, tell me what you have for it Gabriel456 (talk) 00:49, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
Red String can be broken.....
Actually Touma Kamijou can break the red string of fate via his Imagine Breaker, its literally stated in the LNs that is the reason why so many girls fall for him. So you might want to add that it can be broken by omni-negation.SageM (talk) 00:56, February 27, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Another limitation are users of Bond Destruction. since they can break it as well.SageM (talk) 01:13, February 27, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Well, if you can emphasize the difference between the two powers, you could make it Gabriel456 (talk) 01:44, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
Wow, it sounds even more controversial than Gender Lordship ^ ^; DYBAD (talk) 01:13, February 28, 2015 (UTC)
Makes sense, and it does sound like an interesting power. Just prepare for hot arguments with more idealistic users ^ ^ DYBAD (talk) 01:20, February 28, 2015 (UTC)
Doesn't change the facts of what you're been doing. If you want to make power, you can make it without asking anyone. This is true.
But if you ask Admin if you can make a power and they say no, hopping to next admin to ask if they'd allow it... well, that really gives impression that you don't really care about their opinion and only want their backing. --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:39, March 2, 2015 (UTC)
Oversights happen, don't worry about it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 09:02, March 2, 2015 (UTC)
I really couldn't make any sense about most of what you wrote...
Most Manipulations already have ability to control, shape or manipulate the substance/matter/concept, melting or similar appearance of what melting does is one part of that. In other words, they can make the substance they control appear liquid/running either by making it running or using Solidification to get it into liquid form.
And if you were asking if you can add melting into pages that don't already have it, please don't. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:42, March 5, 2015 (UTC)
Just to check if it's something on my end or more global problem: is there something wrong with Google right now? It hasn't been working for me for maybe hour now, and quite a few other pages are out too. --Kuopiofi (talk) 14:01, March 7, 2015 (UTC)
Never mind, started working right after I posted... --Kuopiofi (talk) 14:07, March 7, 2015 (UTC)
Absolute Lock and Omni-Closure
Yeah, that would be considered as Absolute Lock Manipulation. Also for your previous message, Omni-Closure is the power to close anything, opening things is not part of the power. so your known user wouldn't work, since its closing things only.SageM (talk) 23:36, March 7, 2015 (UTC)SageM
To be honest, I'm surprised we don't have it already Gabriel456 (talk) 01:09, March 8, 2015 (UTC)
I don't see why not, we don't have anything like it already and I think it's pretty valid Gabriel456 (talk) 02:30, March 8, 2015 (UTC)
Watch over all of creation? that would most likely be, Omni-Perception. which is the power to perceive anything and everything. Only a few true users exist with this power.
Is that what you are looking for?SageM (talk) 19:51, March 8, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Otherwise, I'm not sure.. Gabriel456 (talk) 19:56, March 9, 2015 (UTC)
Well, I don't really know to be honest. I'm drawing a blank on this Gabriel456 (talk) 20:17, March 9, 2015 (UTC)
Perhaps Origin Embodiment as the name? or in the Also Called? Gabriel456 (talk) 20:29, March 9, 2015 (UTC)
If they're the same thing with different names, that's why we have the Also Called section so it'll work Gabriel456 (talk) 20:41, March 9, 2015 (UTC)
I think Origin Embodiment might be more fitting. I deleted the empty redirect so it should be usable now Gabriel456 (talk) 20:52, March 9, 2015 (UTC)
Huh, it shouldn't do that. I deleted it, so you should be able to use it.
Weird. I can't find a way around it, so you may have to use Genesis Embodiment after all
I don't know. Usually, if a link exists, it'll still prevent it like when you try to create it from scratch. So we can go ahead and try, but I think it may have the same result. Gabriel456 (talk) 21:05, March 9, 2015 (UTC)
Depends on how you'd use it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:17, April 21, 2015 (UTC)
Omniscience means knowing and understanding everything, while not being present. In other words, they need to have other ways to get to the place they want to go.
Omnipresence means that they are everywhere and can observe everything but not necessarily gain deeper knowledge of the reasons or how/why it works/happens. In other words, they are limited to their own knowledge/senses about what they observe. --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:34, April 21, 2015 (UTC)
That's your choice. --Kuopiofi (talk) 10:28, April 21, 2015 (UTC)
What do you mean by realm? --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:27, April 24, 2015 (UTC)
Well, since Personal Domains specifically include heaven, I'd say that's pretty strong contester. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:41, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
In that case it could be either of the first two, depending of how separate their creations are from normal reality. If it is part of already existing reality, then it would be Environment Creation. --Kuopiofi (talk) 10:26, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
Probably, but seeing that you know them and I don't, why ask me? --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:33, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
Just wondering, what changes did you make to my new Part Manipulation page? Flamerstreak (talk) 00:13, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
Okay then. What did you think of that new power I made, btw? Flamerstreak (talk) 00:38, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
I'll see if I can get the name changed then. Still, I am glad you found it interesting. Flamerstreak (talk) 01:13, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
Meta Time Manipulation
I plan too. But I have a few other pages to make first.SageM (talk) 20:15, April 27, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Pretty sure we do, can't remember names tho'. --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:09, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
I just finished Meta Time Manipulation.SageM (talk) 00:04, April 28, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Well, we do separate those two anyway, so go ahead. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:28, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
Are you talking about power not to be destroyed? Because we have quite a variety of those. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:37, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
As far as I'm concerned, "erased" is in practical terms same as destroyed. Unless by erased you mean removed rom existence on level that even their memory is gone or something similar. --Kuopiofi (talk) 09:26, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure if we have power that does that, might be a good idea to add that one too. Go ahead then. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:28, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
Might want to go with Erasion Immunity or something similar, most other powers of that kind use that pattern. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:36, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
Have you checked that from few other sources beside Wikipedia? That wasn't there when the page was made and it wouldn't be first time something is added/removed without really checking the facts. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:04, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
Well, if you're drawing from more than one source, I'll return it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:14, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
When you add links to outside this wikia, please take a moment to test that those links actually work. http://Takemikazuchi isn't one of those. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:56, May 15, 2015 (UTC)
Actually she can increase anything without limit via combining grow up grow and huge scale together.SageM (talk) 01:59, May 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Its the ability to consume and gain nourishment from absolutely anything/everything, matter, antimatter, concepts, natural forces, things that don't count as types of food, etc. I have users for it. but I am saving it for now.SageM (talk) 02:09, May 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Its on a much higher level then even famines powers. they can consume literally anything without limits, whether or not its edible, dangerous or anything else. basically its even higher power then matter ingestion, since matter ingestion only implies the ability to eat whats considered as matter, omni consumption can consume things that aren't considered matter, including energy, concepts and even things beyond that, like eating a black hole if they wanted to.SageM (talk) 02:17, May 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM
I would like to ask you something again if you don't mind. About this...
Does this power limit how, when and where the powers or abilties powers may work or function (as in limiting something to using it at a certain time, how much range it can cover and how long something might be able to handle something as well as who and what it may work on? Just curious. Flamerstreak (talk) 02:35, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
It says on Famines page that he can consume practically anything in the universe, users of omni-consumption can consume things that aren't part of the universe at all, or exist beyond it. Users could eat gods if they wanted or immaterial forces or things beyond that. Hope that clarifies it better for you.SageM (talk) 02:54, May 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM
I'm pretty sure you mean "what". And yes, looks like that. --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:00, May 26, 2015 (UTC)
Not exactly the same power...
Actually its different from reality consumption, since that implies you consume all reality at once. this power is different in that user isn't consuming reality, just the various things that make it up. Reality consumptions capabilities need to be changed since the user is just consuming reality itself and nothing else really. All of the users listed only consume reality they don't consume anything else listed in the capabilities. And unicron doesn't even belong on the list. since he doesn't consume reality itself, he just consumes everything in the entire universe one piece at a time, leaving it empty and then moves onto the next universe and continues eating there. He never once consumes reality.SageM (talk) 06:33, May 26, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Well, it's complicated to be able to outdo causality but I would just say you're immune to it and any attempt to change your personal causality is negated because you are ahead of it. CoolCat123450 (talk) 00:13, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
Okay then. That is good to know. If I may ask, what is with you and VC, anyway? Flamerstreak (talk) 03:15, June 9, 2015 (UTC)
Why do you bring up VC so much when you edit things? Flamerstreak (talk) 03:45, June 9, 2015 (UTC)
Yo, thanks for the edit on my page. Anyway, about VC, I asked about it because you seem to be into anime, and most VC photos you posted have female anime-ish characters. Flamerstreak (talk) 23:51, June 9, 2015 (UTC)
Ah, I see now. So, who exactly is this Polar Night, anyway? Flamerstreak (talk) 23:57, June 9, 2015 (UTC)
Interesting, if I do say so, myself. Perhaps I should look into this. Flamerstreak (talk) 00:36, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
Combat Mode - have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 14:22, June 14, 2015 (UTC)
Magic Mimicry - that'd be Magic Physiology, check Energy Physiology for what it should look like as it's more like those powers than more solid elements. --Kuopiofi (talk) 03:30, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
Actually they would have to be immune to and negate divine powers in order to successfully banish them, as otherwise the divine beings could simply bring themselves back from exile or just kill the user of the power.SageM (talk) 18:18, June 15, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Your power idea.
yeah I know one, Faerie from Seiken Densetsu 3, since at the end of the game she becomes the divine guardian of the Mana Tree.SageM (talk) 18:44, June 15, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Read the transcendent physiology and faery physiology pages to get some ideas.SageM (talk) 18:54, June 15, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Maybe, Supernatural swordsmanship is basically a whole other level above enhanced swordsmanship, users are able to physically impossible things with blades. and far far more. Right now I am planning to post another power before I get around to making it. I will let you know more when I make it.SageM (talk) 23:59, June 16, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Sounds Good.SageM (talk) 20:28, July 2, 2015 (UTC)SageM
I'm not sure.SageM (talk) 02:28, June 18, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Which is why I said you should check how Manipulations I mentioned relate to each other and use those in Embodiments. If Lunar isn't mentioned anywhere in Stellar Manipulation, don't add it into Embodiment. If it is, add it to same place in Embodiments. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:48, June 26, 2015 (UTC)
Say, do you happen to know of any users who have the ability to manipulate coins? Flamerstreak (talk) 22:43, June 26, 2015 (UTC)
Difference between dragon god and transcendent dragons.
Dragon gods and transcendent dragons are two different things. Dragon gods are actual gods. Transcendent dragons are dragons that for whatever reason have reached transcendent/divine status. Compare the other transcendent powers. most of the users are not gods, but normal characters who have godlike abilities, powers and skills.SageM (talk) 23:20, June 26, 2015 (UTC)SageM
There are few powers that already do that. Just can't remember the names outright. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:32, June 27, 2015 (UTC)
About your power, Present Manipulation, it can be like Reality Warping and say, turn a large area of normal, green hills into a mid-sized town or turn a normal city into a city run by intelligent lizards, right? Flamerstreak (talk) 13:40, June 29, 2015 (UTC)
I think that would be Meta Summoning, if they can summon anyone and anything.SageM (talk) 21:50, June 29, 2015 (UTC)SageM
If you want confirmation, ask DYAD, since meta summoning is his page.SageM (talk) 22:16, June 29, 2015 (UTC)SageM
You mean she can summon anyone that exist in her world ? Does it applies to other dimensions too ? DYBAD (talk) 22:48, June 29, 2015 (UTC)
She certainly seems to fit. You can add her, if she turns out not to be we can alway change it. DYBAD (talk) 00:08, June 30, 2015 (UTC)
The two do look synonymous in this context. DYBAD (talk) 01:20, June 30, 2015 (UTC)
You changed the Manga/Anime subtitle for some reason with some coding. Yatanogarasu(talk) 03:22, June 30, 2015 (UTC)
i know that's common thing in Mythologies, but please no. Way too specific. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:12, June 30, 2015 (UTC)
Return Embodiment - ...no, just simply no... -_- --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:54, June 30, 2015 (UTC)
Aside the fact that we have way too many Embodiments already? Please, just no.
If you can work that into some kind of Manipulation, however... Mind telling what that could be? --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:43, June 30, 2015 (UTC)
Soul Weapon Creation - For various reasons Life-Force Manipulation, Soul Manipulation and Spiritual Force Manipulation share the more general powers between them. They share enough similarities for that. I cave quite extensive explanation of just this thing some time ago, but it's getting late enough here that I'm really not on the best shape to explain it.
User creates the thing in Generation/Creation, they don't Manipulate it. That's been the rule/whole point from the start, otherwise that'd just be Manipulation with different name. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:29, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
I need a little more information on the character and their powers in order to decide.SageM (talk) 22:19, July 1, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Given that you're the one who has both the source and translation and access to the descriptions of the powers, I'd say you have far better possibilities in figuring out what it is. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:08, July 2, 2015 (UTC)
That'd might be the closest thing, yes. --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:10, July 2, 2015 (UTC)
Just wondering, what do you think of my new Aerobatics power page? Flamerstreak (talk) 23:29, July 2, 2015 (UTC)
Wax Wing Manifestation - go for it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:48, July 4, 2015 (UTC)
Definition Manipulation is about the power to manipulate definitions, or how things are defined. doing so completely changes the nature of something into something else. for example change the definition of darkness, now darkness is producing light. and change the definition of light so light is producing darkness.
Think of it this way, without definitions we wouldn't be able to understand the world. Everything that exists is defined by something, this power allows you to manipulate that. Its basically a godlike power without any limitations....
I don't believe it has anything to do with Linguistic Manipulation, since thats more about language then definitions.SageM (talk) 07:01, July 4, 2015 (UTC)SageM
I suppose.SageM (talk) 07:35, July 4, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Actually i did some thinking, and Definition Manipulation is more like a sub-power of Meta Power Manipulation, since everything on this wiki is defined by something. and definitions are more then just words. People, objects, places, concepts, etc, are all defined by something. Without definitions nothing on this wiki could exist. Because of its very nature definition manipulation is the single most powerful ability that could or will ever exist. Because of that, definition manipulation literally doesn't have limitations.SageM (talk) 19:47, July 4, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Actually everything has a definition. In fact definitions were the very thing in existence, before time, space, matter, energy, life, death, etc. Without definitions there would be no existence. without definitions this wiki wouldn't exist. So yes, definition manipulation is indeed a sub-power of meta power manipulation.
Think about it for a second, every word, name, idea, power, place, concept has a definition. if it didn't have one it wouldn't exist. Nothing can exist without a definition, heck even the word nothing is defined by the lack of something.
Does that clarify things for you?SageM (talk) 20:16, July 7, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Probably. though its going to be a while before I make the page, since I have a few more to make first.SageM (talk) 02:20, July 6, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Circadian Manipulation allows manipulation of planets rotation, and that's what is used as placeholder, but other than that we don't have something like that. --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:13, July 8, 2015 (UTC)
Light and Circadian Manipulation are the ones that have been used on this site. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:02, July 8, 2015 (UTC)
Causality Immunity - that's tricky thing. Would it be something on the level of being non-linear being? In other words, existing outside the normal temporal continuum, where cause and effect rule. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:57, July 9, 2015 (UTC)
Non-linear being would be someone who is able to shift in time in a way that lets them ignore the cause/effect rule. That's about as close as I can explain it, most languages just don't deal with possibility of not having causality.
I think you're right, and also possibly being able to make an effect and have reality work backwards to form a cause, if that makes any sense. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:13, July 9, 2015 (UTC)
If you can wrap your head around the concept, have fun.
Absolute Self-Restoration - covered by ultimate form of regeneration. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:28, July 10, 2015 (UTC)
Its basically an upgraded version of supernatural accuracy, it allows you to hit any target no matter what it is, including being able to hit targets with supernatural reflexes. Its not like homing effect or targeting. since those track your target in order to hit them. this power simply allows you to always hit the target on the first try, regardless if its moving, teleporting, etc. Hope that explains thingsSageM (talk) 01:22, July 11, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Most likely.SageM (talk) 01:30, July 11, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Probably this weekend or next week.SageM (talk) 01:34, July 11, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Maybe not. While I know those myths, they are pretty rare and very few know about them. So if you add him there, we're going to have quite a few people complaining about that and undoing it. Repeatedly. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:41, July 11, 2015 (UTC)
Aside the fact that link is standard feature in those pages, can you find page to him as protogenoi?
Incidentally, please start using italics in when you add Users. I've noted that when you create pages, none of them have italics. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:55, July 11, 2015 (UTC)
Good luck there, it's rare that Eros gets even mention of being once one of the protogenoi. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:12, July 11, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I think that'll do it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:53, July 11, 2015 (UTC)
Actually I plan on making both Supernatural and Absolute Archery, Artemis would fit under Supernatural archery. So far there is only one official user for Absolute Archery. Arjuna from Hindu Mythology is the only possible user for Absolute Archery so far.
I plan to work on them later this week.SageM (talk) 21:31, July 11, 2015 (UTC)SageM
PossiblySageM (talk) 22:03, July 11, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Sounds about right.SageM (talk) 22:30, July 11, 2015 (UTC)SageM
If you don't mind me asking, what do you think of my new Unweighted Movement power? Flamerstreak (talk) 02:16, July 12, 2015 (UTC)
since you manipulate it, I would think it would include the flow of it.
Otherwise, if there's enough differences go ahead. Sounds like a sub-power of it at the very least Gabriel456 (talk) 13:44, July 22, 2015 (UTC)
that's probably the best name for it Gabriel456 (talk) 13:47, July 22, 2015 (UTC)
Say, can you help me out with something? Flamerstreak (talk) 21:59, July 22, 2015 (UTC)
I am thinking of making a Beginning Dominance power, the opposite of Conclusion Dominance. One of the mods approved. Would the same user for Conclusion Dominance work for the power I want to make? Flamerstreak (talk) 23:10, July 22, 2015 (UTC)
I see your point. I don't even know why the admin who improved it did so. Say, would a power called Rebirth Inducement, which renews things like a person, a society or even the world itself? Flamerstreak (talk) 23:40, July 22, 2015 (UTC)
I guess I shall make the power, and the other one at a later time. Thanks! Flamerstreak (talk) 00:06, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
I understand. Anyway, glad you like it. Flamerstreak (talk) 01:13, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
Not sure yet. Asking a mod first before I do anything else. SDPanthera (talk) 10:09, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
Alright, sounds good. I will get back to you once I get a definitve answer. SDPanthera (talk) 10:18, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
Talked with a mod about it, and although its fine to have a Jungle page, technically jungles and forests are the same thing with very little difference. So on basis of that answer, I'm not making a Jungle manipulation page. If you still want to make one yourselves, go ahead. SDPanthera (talk) 12:38, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
Transcendent Machine Physiology
12. No repeated Editing/Undoing of the same thing. If this becomes problem take it to Comments/Talk and talk it out instead of repeatedly messing with the page. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:12, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
Do you know of a user of a power that involves walking on unstable surfaces like earthquakes steadily and without falling over, despite the intense shaking? Flamerstreak (talk) 15:36, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
What do you think of the Lightweight Movement page? Flamerstreak (talk) 01:47, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. BTW, I am thinking of making a power where the user could run on very uneven surfaces, even when running on walls or ceilings. You think I should go for it?
Thanks. BTW, I am thinking of making a power where the user could run on very uneven surfaces, even when running on walls or ceilings. You think I should go for it? I forgot the signature last time. Flamerstreak (talk) 01:54, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
Sounds good, go for it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 11:54, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
WI does "create/induce flaws/weak points in their opponents/targets physical structure", so it doesn't affect mind/soul. That said, I think that various Mental Inducements do something like that on mental level, but I honestly can't think any power that is purely about causing mental/spiritual weaknesses.
You might want to check around on the mental powers and if there's nothing like it, have a go. --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:55, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
Sounds usable. Might want to create power that does create mental/spiritual weaknesses as a sub-power for that. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:02, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
I think that single power works. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:15, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
I'd really hate to ask this again, but how do you like my new power? Flamerstreak (talk) 01:42, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
Hey L12345, Would you like to be admin or moderator on my wikia? Its called Brawlers House wikia. http://brawlers-house.wikia.com/wiki/Brawlers_House_Wikia. Basically this wikia is, you can create your own Character, like a Character sheet, and add them to this wikia, to the tournament and put them against other characters. Follow the tournament rules. Sega (talk) (talk) 07:45, August 1, 2015 (UTC)
It's bit hard to explain, but closest would be powers that are extremely close to the Category:Omnipotent Powers category, but not in it.
To put it other way, powers that define some extremely important/powerful area/concept of OP. --Kuopiofi (talk) 14:25, August 1, 2015 (UTC)
If you Accept, then just edit and ill do my magic
Sega (talk) (talk) 16:04, August 1, 2015 (UTC)
Try to find out. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:47, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
Well, there you go. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:37, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
What do you think of my new Mass Resurrection power? Flamerstreak (talk) 01:15, August 8, 2015 (UTC)
I know, right? To think that with all the users who have made the many powers in this Wiki, we would have had this power by now. Glad you like it, by the way. Flamerstreak (talk) 02:15, August 8, 2015 (UTC)
It isn't my job to know what she can do, it's yours to figure it out. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:38, August 8, 2015 (UTC)
Causality Manipulation, indeed. By the way, I updated the Causality Transcendence page according to the changes needed mentioned in my comment on july 10 (independant causal system immunizing users from unwanted alterations and super/natural laws), since the mere fact they keep functionning proves some kind of causality is still operating, in a "locked" way that cannot be altered by outside forces. DYBAD (talk) 23:36, September 2, 2015 (UTC)
You're welcome :) Just a few tweaks and it is fully operational now ^ ^ DYBAD (talk) 23:48, September 2, 2015 (UTC)
Might as well. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:25, September 3, 2015 (UTC)
Wax Manipulation I'd say, with mention that they're limited to candles. --Kuopiofi (talk) 03:38, September 5, 2015 (UTC)
Sounds something Baron Samedi would have. Give it a go. --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:56, September 5, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah.SageM (talk) 21:23, September 5, 2015 (UTC)SageM
not that I'm aware of Gabriel456 (talk) 23:03, September 5, 2015 (UTC)
sounds like a page to me. Make it a sub-power of Invulnerability (or at-least variation) and go for it Gabriel456 (talk) 23:11, September 5, 2015 (UTC)
What do you think of my Torque Manipulation power page? Flamerstreak (talk) 21:51, September 6, 2015 (UTC)
Glad you like it. It was hard for me to understand it at first, too. Flamerstreak (talk) 22:17, September 6, 2015 (UTC)
Not the same. They are not the same to me. However, they DO appear to be too similar to each other. Thanks for letting me know about this. Still, this would happen inside a computer system rather than manipulate reality in a computer fashion, but I am not sure if that changes anything. Flamerstreak (talk) 22:59, September 6, 2015 (UTC)
Weather Generation would probably fit better, since weather manipulation usually manipulates existing weather.SageM (talk) 20:40, September 9, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Hollow physiology means they have nothing inside, not just no heart or soul, but literally nothing, no organs, no bones, no muscles, no tissues, no matter or energy of any kind, they are literally empty of anything and everything inside. think of like a living empty suit of armor, their is nothing inside of it, and their is nothing controlling it. So how can it move if its totally empty? Thats the basic idea behind hollow physiology.SageM (talk) 00:44, September 10, 2015 (UTC)SageM
You can add them if you want.SageM (talk) 00:56, September 10, 2015 (UTC)SageM
yeah.SageM (talk) 00:59, September 10, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Well, dust is on sand mimicry in Variations, and admittedly the difference would be very small, so I'd have to say sand does basically cover it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:43, September 11, 2015 (UTC)
Okay. Thanks for the heads up. Flamerstreak (talk) 04:52, September 12, 2015 (UTC)
Maybe to a degree. Some pictures are drawn, not taken. Flamerstreak (talk) 03:27, September 13, 2015 (UTC)
Say, do you think a power called Board Manipulation would be a too crazy idea? Flamerstreak (talk) 00:51, September 14, 2015 (UTC)
I thought that since there are a different amount of board types, like ironing boards, keyboards, surfboards, skateboards, springboards, etc., I thought it would hurt to make such a power. Maybe it would, after all? Flamerstreak (talk) 01:20, September 14, 2015 (UTC)
Okay then. Just in case he says no, maybe I should try something like Plaster Manipulation or Drywall Manipulation, which are both used for construction purposes? Flamerstreak (talk) 01:37, September 14, 2015 (UTC)
Then, should Board Manipulation fail, I will try Plaster Manipulation. Thanks, L12345. Flamerstreak (talk) 01:51, September 14, 2015 (UTC)
Got things bit mixed up, but essentially someone using Transcendent Physiologys Mythical Mimicry Variations doesn't need to be immortal/deity, instead simply tapping into those beings power/sphere of influence. So someone drawing power from, say, Aphrodite could use powers that are connected to her, her Domain Warpings.
Personality Alteration only effects others, not oneself. Personality Alteration on oneself is considered to be mindshifting, not personality alteration.SageM (talk) 02:52, September 29, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Doesn't matter, Personality Alteration is only used on others. If you want to add that character you would have to add it to a different power. Since they don't fit personality alteration then.SageM (talk) 03:01, September 29, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Yo there, what do you think of my latest page? Flamerstreak (talk) 23:08, October 17, 2015 (UTC)
You have it? Interesting. Anyway, I am glad you like this one. Flamerstreak (talk) 23:22, October 17, 2015 (UTC)
We definitely don't have a page for either of those. (Unless you count Elemental Generation, but I don't know if that's what you mean) Gabriel456 (talk) 02:40, October 18, 2015 (UTC)
then no, we don't have it Gabriel456 (talk) 02:53, October 18, 2015 (UTC)
Concept Creation- Go for it
Element Creation- if you can make it different from Elemental Generation, then go for it (I say this because there may be issues with it from other users between the two. may, mind you) Gabriel456 (talk) 23:41, October 18, 2015 (UTC)
I removed them because..
They were removed because they do not actively show these powers they are reported to have.
You can add Fenrir back to Wolfwere Physiology, but not Ouroboros Truth 20:45, October 20, 2015 (UTC) Truth™
While that is true, but remember, in game she dies a lot just like other characters
Hmm how about this go ahead and re-add her, just give her a different description this time stating why she has the power Truth 20:57, October 20, 2015 (UTC)Truth
Sounds great :) nice working with you
Hmm...let me think.... Life and Death Manipulation most likely Truth 15:49, October 21, 2015 (UTC)Truth but the other two choices could count as well
sounds like Life and Death Manipulation to me. Gabriel456 (talk) 16:56, October 21, 2015 (UTC)
That could work. go ahead Gabriel456 (talk) 17:08, October 21, 2015 (UTC)
if they're a user, then go ahead Gabriel456 (talk) 17:11, October 21, 2015 (UTC)
Well, I don't know. I don't know anything about them. that's why I said "if they're users". If they don't ultimately count as a user, then mark the page as fanon.Gabriel456 (talk) 17:30, October 21, 2015 (UTC)
this puts me in a bad position now that I deleted that Snake Embodiment page...
Take this up with Kuopiofi if you want, because I don't think I can answer without putting myself in bad waters, as said above. If he signs off on it, then have fun.
But if you want my opinion, I vote no. These embodiment pages are becoming ridiculous. Then again, what I'm worried about is the potential floodgate for crap like "Feline Embodiment" and "Canine Embodiment", to the point, well again, it becomes beyond ridiculous. Gabriel456 (talk) 19:40, October 22, 2015 (UTC)
As for Undetermined Existence, users of the power exist in a grey area. they cannot truly be considered as any of the normal categories for existing creatures. that would include amortals as well. You can't consider something that's undefined to fit in to the same listing that would we normally association for living things, an amortal being is still a defined creature. while something that's undefined cannot be considered amortal.
Hopefully that explains it.SageM (talk) 23:52, November 7, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Life and Death Transcendence/Immunity - we already have bit too many powers covering that general area I think.
Unavertable Death - "permanent death in anyone/anything" --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:13, November 9, 2015 (UTC)
Don't know which to choose or which you'll go for, but go for it Gabriel456 (talk) 16:49, November 9, 2015 (UTC)
We have Sealing, but I don't know about use as weapons. Then again, the capabilities does say "If the sealed object has a power of its own (Mythical Physiology, Powerful Objects, etc.) possessor may be able to tap into that power." so it may fall under that Gabriel456 (talk) 17:23, November 9, 2015 (UTC)
As you know the being in question and her abilities, I'd say it's your decision based on the abilities she demonstrates. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:49, November 19, 2015 (UTC)
Maybe. I will let you know when I get around to making it. I have several other powers in the works first before I make it.SageM (talk) 02:16, November 20, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Undetermined existence is a being that operates both inside and outside of the normal classifications of existing beings, users don't seem to fit into a proper category. Something that was never born but is just there is an Amortal being. While an undetermined being can't be defined as having always been there so it cannot be classified as being Amortal.
Here is an example- Chaos is something that has always been there, yet it wasn't born or created so its considered amortal.
Undetermined Existence- something that is there but not there, something that is but also isn't. Things along those lines.
Another way to look at it, think of a shadow, its obviously there and a part of you, but its also not there unless something makes it happen so its existence can't actually be determined. we can't define it without something else to help cause it.
Its a hard power to properly explain which is why its called undetermined existence. ^^;;SageM (talk) 01:13, November 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM
She is more of an amortal.
No, she is more of an amortal being, though in the VC series she can actually die, so she isn't beyond death either.SageM (talk) 01:54, November 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM
The description you gave of her makes her sound more like an amortal being, plus most users of undetermined existence aren't created instead special circumstances lead to their existence and those circumstances are usually impossible to repeat.
Both the users of undetermined existence weren't created, instead events caused them to be the way they are. You said that Cybele was created, but since she transcends boths life and death that makes more of a amortal then a user of undetermined existence.
Does that explain it?SageM (talk) 06:20, November 21, 2015 (UTC)SageM
"Power Intuition: Any power of which he "knows" will become his ally"
Yes, in fact he did replicate it using the power of the Almighty epithet.SageM (talk) 01:54, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM
He used power intuition to copy the power of definition manipulation and use it to protect himself from its effects, but only because he activated the Almighty. if he hadn't then the fight would have ended right there and then.SageM (talk) 01:57, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Hopefully this clarifies things...
You seem to have a misunderstanding of the word Ally, it means he has the power of definition manipulation as an ally to protect himself from its effects. He understands how it works so he can use it to defend himself from it. In other words the only way to defend oneself from its power is to have the power itself, its an ally of his, which is why other users of definition manipulation can't beat him since he would just use his knowledge of it to block it. In other words he is using definition manipulation to defend himself from definition manipulation.
Hopefully that clarifies things. ^_^SageM (talk) 02:05, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Plus Yhwach has a lot of weaknesses even if he can use The Almighty to defend himself, He cannot see or predict the actions of the manifestations of the soul kings arms(Mimihagi and Perrinda), he has to take a break over a certain time period or he starts losing his energy and power. He has to keep killing others and absorbing there souls or he will revert back to his original helpless self.
Yhwach may seem to be all-powerful, but really he is just a lucky concidence that just happens to be the Soul Kings son.SageM (talk) 02:10, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM
How will ichigo win?
Considering he has currently absorbed the soul king and thus has total control over the soul society at the moment it is definitely hard to guess how he will be defeated, hopefully its not some asspull move that Kubo suddenly decided on. If it is I will be PISSED, since I want this series to end on complete note, with everything possible having been tried first before they do something so stupid that the fans decide to lynch kubo.... ^^;;
And considering there are still some bankai's we have yet to see(uraharas, ukitakes, shuheis, and a few others) I hope to see those used up before kubo decides to asspull something that lets ichigo win without effort.SageM (talk) 09:20, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Actually they already showed kenpachis bankai, it was Nozarashi, the giant axe. If you recall before Kenpachis power is so great that his zanpakuto is always in Shikai form. because he can't compress his power to seal it.
Kenpachi is like ichigo, he can't compress his power to keep his zanpakuto out of shikai. thus both ichigo and kenpachi only have bankai's.SageM (talk) 09:33, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM
I also want to know what happened with Konamura and Iba, the last we saw of them was after there defeat of Bambietta. and nothing else has been said of where they are or what happened to them.SageM (talk) 09:40, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageN
Ukitake is currently incapacitated, as Mimihagi was acting as his lungs and without him he can't do anything, so for the moment he is out of action. If we don see him in action again, it probably won't be till near the end of the battle with the vandenreich and yhwach.SageM (talk) 09:53, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM
The soul king is the physical representation of existence, as such he is beyond the rules of reality since he established them in first place. If her power rejected the soul king, then it would be the same as rejecting existence itself. And thus why it can't effect him.SageM (talk) 10:07, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Technically speaking he wasn't killed persay, but more like incapacitated and then absorbed. so in a sense he still exists(pardon the pun)inside of Yhwach. If he did actually die then the series would end right then and there, as existence would fall apart and return to the tide of chaos it was before everything began....SageM (talk) 10:23, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Actually i am pretty sure there one and the same, since aizen was beginning his quest to attain the Oken when he said that, and he wants the oken to reach the soul kings palace and take out god. and existence was given form by the soul king in the first place. if the soul king isn't god, then how did he shape existence in to coherent form. And the arguement that aizen has with urahara before he was sealed pretty much confirms he was talking about the soul king.
^^SageM (talk) 10:33, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Its probably impossible to fathom the mind of a being like the Soul King, but I am guessing that he knew it would happen, since Yhwach stated that the soul king had the same ability to predict things as he does. He probably chose to allow it, after all he is his son.SageM (talk) 10:57, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Sorry but I am going to have to hold off on that, since I am done online for now. I will let you know after I come back on.SageM (talk) 11:02, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM
No we don't. And I'm really starting to wonder if I should take a stance about these (power) Magic things... --Kuopiofi (talk) 11:31, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
We did have that awhile ago, but Kuopiofi deleted it. You'd better ask him why before you try to make it though (to avoid any conflict, of course). In the event he signs off on it, go for it Gabriel456 (talk) 13:16, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
Hey, L, i just wanted to ask, would you mind if I make Love Magic? Of course, i would ask Kuo, according to what Gabe said, but yeah. And who is the Character that can do that? Sega Fro (talk) 16:25, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Whats up with you and Val. Crusade? Sega Fro (talk) 16:36, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
I mean that most of the powers you make, it always has a user from Val. Crusade with the picture of them. I cant blame you bro. Im also a fan.
Sega Fro (talk) 16:43, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
About Absolute Change
Can you tell me what you call someone who is immune to Absolute Change? Because there surely must be something i mean Absolute Attack has Absolute Defense so even the most absolute power has a counter/negation. I mean if you want to make it more powerful than any absolute control power that's fine but surely there must be at least one thing that is immune to/can negate this power even if it's itself. I'd love to hear your answer. jedi master hurculates (talk) 20:15, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
So by that logic the only the only one immune to Absolute Change is potentially the ability itself when it's used defensively against another with that same ability. Right? If so then luckily being weak to/immune to itself doesn't count as a limitation or else Omnipotence would be the same. By the way you should add this ability as a limitation to Immunity Bypassing. jedi master hurculates (talk) 21:51, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
I mean on Immunity Bypassings limitation it says it can be ignored/bypassed by Omnipotence so i think Absolute Change is the power responsible for that am i right about that or am i wrong? jedi master hurculates (talk) 00:37, November 29, 2015 (UTC)
Death and Aspect Manifestation
Thought death may have been killed, its impossible to kill the concept of death since without out it nobody can die, and we would end up having the supernatural version of death takes a holidy or miracle day.
Aspect Manifestation is the power to manifest any aspect of oneself, from emotions, behaviours, personality traits, descriptions, abstract/conceptual traits(such duty, urgency, understanding, etc) and so on. Basically it lets you manifest any aspect of ones own identity or what defines that person. Unlike aspect expulsion however the aspects still remain part of the user in question, this power just grants them a physical body/form.
Does that explain it?SageM (talk) 23:07, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM
I suppose.SageM (talk) 23:43, November 22, 2015 (UTC)SageM
We have nothing that fascinates, and I'd prefer there were at least few powers of that type before even considering embodiment. --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:39, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
No, It has nothing to do with omnicide. its basically the power to use every form of death inducement in one person.SageM (talk) 23:44, November 23, 2015 (UTC)SageM
Apparently you didn't notice the new power I added. check the wikia activity page and you will see it.SageM (talk) 02:22, November 26, 2015 (UTC)SageM
I really can't think of anything else that the applications doesn't already cover Gabriel456 (talk) 03:50, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
Question.... WHY ARE THERE SO MANY VALKYRIE CRUSADE REFERENCES!? everywhere i go i see too many valkyrie crusade references! how come there are so many of them in this wiki?! sorry. just shocked about it is all. ^^
If possible, please Edit only the section you're making the changes. For some reason certain members full-page Edits mess collapsed Galleries and you're one of them. --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:12, November 30, 2015 (UTC)
Not as far as I can find. --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:59, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
Its basically a better version of Underworld Path, in fact Underworld path would be considered a variation of it instead of the other way around. It basically opens a pathway to the afterlife, regardless of what that afterlife happens to be(heaven, hell, nirvana, something else, etc).SageM (talk) 22:20, December 11, 2015 (UTC)SageM
While there is room for some tweaking, maybe you should add Variations for both Physiologies and place the more radical changes there. --Kuopiofi (talk) 09:07, January 2, 2016 (UTC)
Basically keep the Applications as is and add the changes you suggested to Variations (separated into both nigh and full options). Maybe add bit to Capabilities to explain the Variations. --Kuopiofi (talk) 09:30, January 2, 2016 (UTC)
LOL That is exactly the user I was thinking of when I proposed this idea! Quite a coincidence, isn't it? Thanks, though. Flamerstreak (talk) 16:10, January 3, 2016 (UTC)
May I have a link to Lucifer's card page and a link to Michael's card page? Please?
Just got to make sure that you're not pulling a SageM :)
After I read them for myself I'll re add it, okay?
Nat-chan 12:35, January 5, 2016 (UTC)Imouto-tan
If God did have a card that would make VC's God nigh omnipotent because the players of VC would be in control of God and correct me if I'm wrong but aren't there other cards that are of Omnipotent gods from other mythologies? Nat-chan 12:39, January 5, 2016 (UTC)Imouto-tan
go ahead and re add him
If possible, please Edit only the section you're making the changes. For some reason certain members full-page Edits mess collapsed Galleries and you're one of them. --Kuopiofi (talk) 07:56, January 6, 2016 (UTC)
Never seen deity of combat that didn't somehow have some power over war as well, so it's pretty much pointless question, especially as War Manipulation includes "all forms of conflict including mental, physical, spiritual and conceptual ones". --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:42, January 9, 2016 (UTC)
I don't think we have specific power for that. --Kuopiofi (talk) 11:48, January 9, 2016 (UTC)
Well, technically doable but I'd prefer dream-world version of reality warping as that would allow those who can manipulate dream-world but aren't complete sovereign. --Kuopiofi (talk) 12:00, January 9, 2016 (UTC)
yeah, that sounds right to me Gabriel456 (talk) 13:35, January 9, 2016 (UTC)
ORM allows you to warp reality (outside dreams) through your dreams, so that's not it.
Dream Reality Manipulation? Go ahead. Oneiric Omnipotence? Preferably not, as it'd imply user is totally unbeatable in dreams. --Kuopiofi (talk) 13:53, January 9, 2016 (UTC)
We could actually use power that does that... --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:13, February 15, 2016 (UTC)
When you Edit, please use only the section you're making the changes. For some reason some members full-page Edits mess the collapsed Galleries and you're one of them. --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:35, February 16, 2016 (UTC)
When you Edit, please use only the section you're making the changes. For some reason some members full-page Edits mess the collapsed Galleries and you're one of them. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:45, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
Say, can you help me with something? Flamerstreak (talk) 20:56, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
I am planning on making a power called Effect Generation, which is a power that can make effects happen without the need for the cause. For example, causing letters to appear on the screen without actually typing (the cause) to make them do so. With that said, do you know some good applications I could put into this power? Flamerstreak (talk) 21:00, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
You're the one who knows the character we're talking about, so it's your call. --Kuopiofi (talk) 22:08, March 14, 2016 (UTC)
When you Edit, please use only the section you're making the changes. For some reason some members full-page Edits mess the collapsed Galleries and you're one of them. --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:11, March 16, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! In fact, those were my thoughts exactly. Do you have anymore? Maxoflas (talk) 20:10, March 18, 2016 (UTC)
Loving servant (talk) 00:54, March 21, 2016 (UTC) Thank you for fixing that on Beauty Embodiment, I expect to just remove an inaccurate Known User, and instead I end up trying to repeatedly put something right and keep failing (sigh), once again thanks.
I'd say we have to split it into two powers, keep the existing one and chancing it to do only creation and make a new one for Manipulation.
GC is way too needed in various Construct pages to be removed, but as it is now GC goes well past the pure creation. Perils of being one of the oldest powers and none bothering to fix it as things got standardized. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:18, April 5, 2016 (UTC)
12. No repeated Editing/Undoing of the same thing. If this becomes problem take it to Comments/Talk and talk it out instead of repeatedly messing with the page. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:07, April 21, 2016 (UTC)
this should explain things....
Let me explain to you how it works, for one you can't freeze fire, PERIOD, it doesn't matter how cold it gets even at absolute zero its impossible. And second freezing air is virtually impossible because air is made up countless trace gases that all have different freezing points.
Secondly, his power freezes anything, including abilities, so you can't use other powers(which is why is quincy bow disappeared after he was frozen, he couldn't reactivate it.) Secondly the quincy bow is made of ENERGY, not matter. and yet he was able to freeze it too.
Sorry, but he does fit the power.SageM (talk) 20:11, April 21, 2016 (UTC)SageM
If she represents the sea, and was created by Gaia, alongside the sky and earth, then yeah, sure, I guess so. SDPanthera (talk) 17:32, April 26, 2016 (UTC)
No, I won't be creating anymore new pages for a while now. For the rest, if you want to create Primordial Sky, Earth, etc, go ahead. But be sure to ask a mod first for permission. SDPanthera (talk) 17:50, April 26, 2016 (UTC)
We're going on the area where people start using big words to mean something else than they usually mean and specifically as we define them on this site, so celestial realm could be considered to be universe of its own and the whole verse would multiverse, in which case they would have UC. On the other hand, the authors may be simply exaggerating the idea/using the universe to mean simply different dimension/dimensional cluster, in which case it'd be creating new dimension. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:50, April 28, 2016 (UTC)
Welp. looks like it's Universe then. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:35, April 28, 2016 (UTC)
er... I'm really not sure, to be honest. Gabriel456 (talk) 15:31, April 29, 2016 (UTC)
Dainsleif is known as the Sword of Endings in Norse Mythology, as completely drawing it from its scabbard marks the start of Ragnarok and thus the end of time. Thus Dainsleif from Valkyrie Crusade is the embodiment/representation of endings since she is the embodiment of the blade itself.SageM (talk) 22:46, May 14, 2016 (UTC)SageM
Meh, go ahead. But you're opening door for quite a few nitpickers who'll use that argument. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:58, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
Say, do you see anything wrong with a power called Avatar/Embodiment Manipulation? Flamerstreak (talk) 00:43, May 18, 2016 (UTC)
I see. I tried getting this power approved by Kuopiofi, but he declined. He didn't even say why, and just told me to think about it instead. Man, that guy is strict, is he? Flamerstreak (talk) 00:53, May 18, 2016 (UTC)
And to unnecessary levels, too. Maybe there could be a way to convince him to let me do the power. If only I knew his exact reasoning for not letting me do it. Flamerstreak (talk) 01:09, May 18, 2016 (UTC)
That'd be Cosmic Darkness, tho we don't have it done. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:57, May 21, 2016 (UTC)
No, I haven't planned this at all, so you're free to do it. I'm planning a different page myself, but I still need to work it out a bit more. That said, it does sound interesting. Must be a new variation of the Cosmic Element manipulation. I'd say have fun, although I'm not a mod or anything. If it hasn't been made yet, you're free to make it yourselves. That said, does it differ from Cosmic Space Manipulation? As that page also uses Darkness as a part of its main applications. If not, its best if you added your user there, unless it truly is Cosmic Darkness. SDPanthera (talk) 17:16, May 21, 2016 (UTC)
If its pretty much the Darkness of space, Cosmic Space actually covers it, but if you made the page itself, that of Cosmic Darkness, I can edit my Cosmic Space page as needed. Tell me who this user is, so I can look for myself. SDPanthera (talk) 18:12, May 21, 2016 (UTC)
Not that I know. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:33, May 21, 2016 (UTC)
That is just it. The darkness of space, is just darkness, but found in space. Space itself is permeted with dark energy. The way I see it on the page is that the user can control the darkness of space, which in itself is Cosmic Space. But that is just me. Its up to you whether you want to make the page or not. I myself see no need in it. SDPanthera (talk) 20:40, May 21, 2016 (UTC)
That's actually really good point and I can see how it'd work... give it a go. --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:43, May 22, 2016 (UTC)
I'd say Cosmic Space. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:00, May 22, 2016 (UTC)
Not that I can think. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:02, May 23, 2016 (UTC)
Hello, can I get your opinion on this power I plan to request approval for? Flamerstreak (talk) 23:55, May 24, 2016 (UTC)
It is called Meta Environmental Manipulation, and it is the ability to manipulate all aspects of the environment. It is like Environmental Manipulation plus some Environmental Physics Manipulation, with control of local time, gravity, inertia, friction, electromagnetism and so on. What do you think? Flamerstreak (talk) 23:57, May 24, 2016 (UTC)
Say, how is this, instead? Surroundings Manipulation, the ability to manipulate one's surroundings. This would be different from Environmental Manipulation because from what I am reading, Environmental Manipulation deals more with nature, if I read it correctly. Surroundings Manipulation would is not limited to nature, plus it is more limited to what is around the user. Physics and such can be manipulated, unlike Environmental Manipulation. Flamerstreak (talk) 00:49, May 25, 2016 (UTC)
I agree! I would probably use them, Lucifer, and perhaps some video game/anime characters? Users dont seem to be the problem. Charisma would have harder luck for this though. The biggest problem I find in this would be..What applications would fit into the two. It'd be lovely if you could help? (that and I see you've created some of my fav power pages, while im simply a nublet <3) OmnipotentDeity (talk) 03:27, May 26, 2016 (UTC)
Change the Capabilities to how it is in Physiologies and adding Applications to give the bare bones to which the Variations add into? Works for me, interested doing similar expansion on Astrological Physiology and Zodiac Physiology? --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:47, May 30, 2016 (UTC)
There's difference between astronomy and astrology, first deals with the physical reality/science, second star-signs, zodiac, etc. and includes among other things mental/conceptual powers. Quite different really. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:07, May 30, 2016 (UTC)
We do have few Mimicries/Physiologies that are based on non-physical/existing/conceptual ideas. Should we rework them into Empowerments? --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:20, May 30, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, right. NO.
If you want to create separate Empowerments, have fun. Otherwise, leave it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:37, May 30, 2016 (UTC)
Yes, very specific form of N-OS, but certainly that. --Kuopiofi (talk) 10:31, May 30, 2016 (UTC)
Offccc, I was actually about to message you about that ^^; Hopefully it succeeds since it is a pretty legitmate thing, and im positive people would use it creaitvely too. Not to mention im sure there are more users out there who are similar! OmnipotentDeity (talk) 23:05, May 30, 2016 (UTC)
True but, wouldn't solar become a sub-power/application of stellar instead of being a variation? Cause if you embody 'the stars' than you would embody the sun too o-o? OmnipotentDeity (talk) 19:35, June 4, 2016 (UTC)
Than why not just remove it from association/variation and place it as a application within stellar embodiment, and than for solar place stellar as a association not a variation ^^;? OmnipotentDeity (talk) 19:42, June 4, 2016 (UTC)
Mk! Either that or just place solar embodiment under stellar embodiment's applications? (there's a lot of powers under other powers applications, and they arent really noted as sub-powers, but I do believe solar would be considering a sub-power of stellar.)
Also, This is a side-note but..@_@ I love the powers you've created. 10/10 pls never stop. Love truly, OmnipotentDeity (talk) 19:47, June 4, 2016 (UTC)
Point. The problem with this many powers that you start forgetting which ones we already have... --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:35, July 6, 2016 (UTC)
Mind reminding what it was? Been very busy week... -_- --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:17, July 7, 2016 (UTC)
I fiddled with it a bit but it could still use some work, so go ahead. If you change the name, remember to change all the links on this site using Special:Whatlinkshere. --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:23, July 7, 2016 (UTC)
Not sure if it really fits as a limitation, especially given this note by one of the users-
"Azathoth cannot be destroyed, as the concept of destruction, just like all others, exists only in its unfathomable mind"
Azathoth is a user of totality manipulation, and yet he cannot be destroyed because without him destruction wouldn't even exist.
Destroying the totality doesn't seem like, as you would be destroying the concept of destruction if you destroyed it.SageM (talk) 21:01, July 9, 2016 (UTC)SageM
At the very least it would be serious problem. Go ahead. --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:10, July 9, 2016 (UTC)
Since destroying the totality would most likely leave nothing but blank emptiness, it probably wouldn't mean anything to the Overmonitor since he literally is blank emptiness in the first place. ^^;;;
If you destroy the totality (as has happened in the simpsons 16th halloween opening) there will be nothing but white empty space. So a user who already is in the form of white empty space likely wouldn't feel any thing if the totality was destroyed, in fact to that user it might simply feel like nothing more then a gentle breeze.SageM (talk) 21:26, July 9, 2016 (UTC)SageM
think about this way, what would there be to destroy if all thats left is blank space with nothing in it? It would be like trying to destroy the white space outside of a comics pages, there is nothing there to destroy or eliminate as its already devoid of the totality.
Thats why i said that absolute destruction might not truly be able to destroy the totality.SageM (talk) 21:30, July 9, 2016 (UTC)SageM
The problem is, the blank space that the overmonitor represents is already empty of everything, including the concept of nothing. Its basically what existence was before there was a thing called existence. The power can't destroy it because its already devoid of anything to destroy, including nothingness.
Concepts like nothingness and totality didn't exist until after they were created. if you go back to before all things(time, space, order, chaos, reality, concepts, universes, multiverses, omniverses, the totality, and even the unknown) then that would be what the Overmonitor is and represents.
You can't simply destroy it because you would need something to destroy and its already the way things were before there was a thing called anything,
Absolute Destruction would only have a function and use as long as there are things for it to destroy, but if you have completely run out of things for it to destroy or you exist even before there was anything to destroy then the power loses all meaning, power and purpose.
Wouldn't you agree?SageM (talk) 21:51, July 9, 2016 (UTC)SageM
Of course, trying to destroy the white space might have the exact opposite effect as well and end up creating something instead,
the best example of this is the Family Guy episode: The Big Bang Theory, were stewie and brian are cast out of everything, leaving them floating in a white void. So when stewie overloads the return pad to send them back into reality the explosion caused by the destruction of the return pad actually created the universe,
Thus its possible for Absolute Destruction to have the opposite effect depending on the circumstances....SageM (talk) 22:00, July 9, 2016 (UTC)SageM
Since absolute destruction can supposedly destroy anything/everything, what do you think would happen if you tried to use the power against itself? Meaning using absolute destruction on absolute destruction, I wonder what the result would be from that paradox? ^^;;;SageM (talk) 22:10, July 9, 2016 (UTC)SageM
given the information, its hard to say for certain.SageM (talk) 22:19, July 9, 2016 (UTC)SageM
Technically speaking, would Universal Irreversibility be considered a limitation for absolute change? As it implies that the results cannot be changed by anything or anyone.SageM (talk) 22:43, July 10, 2016 (UTC)SageM
Actually AR cannot effect UI, and it even says so on that page. in other words once it happens, it stays happened.SageM (talk) 22:54, July 10, 2016 (UTC)SageM
Soul anchoring may prevent Nirvana Transport, but thats pretty much it. As its a state of true freedom and boundlessness. Once its reached its impossible to prevent, as its beyond the afterlife. Its equivalent to a soul achieving totality connection and/or omnilock.
Lets me put it to you another way. Truth, the basically omnipotent, omni-embodiment from Full Metal Alchemist? Not even he can touch a soul that he sends to nirvana, any one who dies passes beyond even his reach. Thats one of the main reasons why its impossible to resurrect someone in the FMA verse.SageM (talk) 04:03, July 12, 2016 (UTC)SageM
Collapse of what? --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:59, July 12, 2016 (UTC)
Collapse as in destruction of the structure? --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:07, July 12, 2016 (UTC)
I have vague feeling we have Manipulation that does something pretty close to that, but I simply can't remember the name... --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:04, July 12, 2016 (UTC)
Hey, man, I'm sorry for the trouble on that page about having all the powers. I don't add things to wikias long term, so I make mistakes pretty often. I put my addition to the right page now I believe.
Go ahead and change the name, just remember that it's your job to change it on every other page too, use Special:Whatlinkshere for that.
I'm pretty sure that Enchanted Artistry is only power we have. --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:56, July 14, 2016 (UTC)
Will do during weekend. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:17, July 14, 2016 (UTC)
Those are all the powers that would do the same thing, so it looks like something we don't have. Have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:38, July 17, 2016 (UTC)
Might want to think something else. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:42, July 17, 2016 (UTC)
You know, every time you start to explain more this sounds more like Reality Warping Limited to doing single changes. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:20, July 17, 2016 (UTC)
This is one of those things where it's hard to explain what I mean and not being native speaker really isn't helping matter. Hope you get the basics.
It's partly a principle of things:
Basically if some power has Embodiment or Lordship as part of the power, that means that no matter what Users are those things. As vast majority blatantly aren't it's better to just go with Manipulation which doesn't have same implications. As Embodiments and Lordships powers are part of Manipulation, there's option that some Users may be able to get/have them, but it isn't certainty.
Other part is that I'd prefer to keep those two separate, Embodiment is the power in question, Lord has control over it. Better keep the lines far enough that there isn't complications. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:38, July 17, 2016 (UTC)
Typical, aint it... you know the name is wrong but figuring out better/more descriptive one is a bitch. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:17, August 2, 2016 (UTC)
Point, I'll get to it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 09:37, August 2, 2016 (UTC)
change embodiment/change manipulation
From Change Embodiments page-
The ability to embody and control change.
"Users embody and control change, the driving force that moves everything, from particles to men to stars to gods to ideas and beyond.
Change is without beginning nor end, the origin of origins, the architect of reality, the engine of fate, and the end of all things. All things are born from change, shaped by change, moved by change, weakened by change, destroyed by change, and erased by change. All that ever happened and ever will are expressions of change.
As masters of the most fundamental force, users wield limitless power, as they can achieve or prevent any change at will. They notably possess the most perfect defense, as they naturally shrug off any undesirable change."
This page/power was literally described as change manipulation by the admins themselves.
And difference manipulation isn't the same as change manipulation.SageM (talk) 23:55, August 2, 2016 (UTC)SageM
Ultimate Intangibility only counts if it phases through the target and they can touch it at the same time, Beach Boy simply passes through the target, pulling out organs is something users of normal intangibility can already do.
Beach boy is more like going intangible then becoming solid again inside the target, its not both at the same time.
A true example of ultimate intangibility is Santa Sasaki, he can physically hold onto someone while still phasing through attacks at the same time. All beach boy is doing is passing through the target, becoming solid then becoming intangible again.SageM (talk) 00:42, August 4, 2016 (UTC)SageM
Why not just......delete it bruh? Maxoflas (talk) 16:25, August 4, 2016 (UTC)
Spatial-Temporal Lock has Limitation "May only exist outside of physical space-time; may still exist within metaphysical space-time", so adding it as Limitation to MS-TM with "may" instead of certainty could work better.
Isolation needs some cleaning as some parts of it say it's limited to placing user beyond natural detection/earthly sciences and others that they effectively stop existing. As it's Variations include pretty heavy powers, I think we should err to the side of "effectively stop existing" and add few Limitations that allow lesser forms of concealment. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:52, August 8, 2016 (UTC)
Point. Problem with new powers being made is that they sometimes mean you'd have to adjust older powers and how often that happens... --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:32, August 8, 2016 (UTC)
2-3%? I doubt that. The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves The One Who Loves Your Dog! 00:28, August 10, 2016 (UTC)
I'll keep that in mind when I make it. Thanks! CrystalStorm51 (talk) 15:09, August 10, 2016 (UTC)
That makes sense, and I'm not saying they shouldn't be listed. It's just that the game is mentioned so often that sometimes you can't help but think, "Cripes, anotherValkyrie Crusade character?!" Since there are so many powered characters, there must be a lot of non-powered characters then. In any case, thanks for stopping by and explaining that! :-) Raidra (talk) 01:33, August 12, 2016 (UTC)
I think we already have that, can't remember the name but it has pic of Orihime reflecting attack back. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:49, August 13, 2016 (UTC)
Sub power? Present? That was exactly what I was thinking! Still, it's not so bad, is it? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 05:04, August 13, 2016 (UTC)
Reflecting the attack back... bit like Ichiko attacking Kempachi the first time and hurting himself? Works, have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:15, August 13, 2016 (UTC)
Are you sure it is not too similar to Reality Warping? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 10:57, August 13, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, but apparently, Kuopiofi thinks they are the same thing, for some reason. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 13:06, August 13, 2016 (UTC)
I see your point, but I hace reached some kind of agreement with Kuopiofi now. I will have to come back in a later time to try again with Situational Manipulation. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 03:19, August 14, 2016 (UTC)
Hello there, may I ask: What would you think of a power called Residue Manipulation that I might make? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 02:38, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
Well, by definition, residue is something that remains after a part is removed, disposed of, or used; remainder; rest; remnant.. With this power, the user can control the remains and remnants of something such as exhsusted coal or remaining liquid from something and maybe even building ruins. What do you think? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 02:48, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
Supernatural/Magical Baking - maybe expand this to Supernatural Cooking to cover all forms of cooking, but otherwise usable.
Unmeltable Ice - usable, have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:23, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
Sure. But I agree with Kuo, should probably name it "Supernatural Baking"
my bad, didn't see you already created the page. Sorry Gabriel456 (talk) 11:29, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
Probably, it really doesn't make any sense otherwise. --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:51, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
I'd have to say yes. --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:57, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
Could you try to make it work as both? --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:02, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
Heya :) I understand that you're disappointed with how the infobox was a few hours ago. But if you have just a little patience and let me work until tomorrow, the infobox will meet your needs. I think you'll find that it already is improving way better than it did just an hour ago. Please see User:CzechOut/Infobox example.
Additionally, if you have problems with it, it would super helpful to tell me about your issues so I can fix them. But I really think by tomorrow that you're not going to find too much to complain about. — CzechOut 22:27, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
It'd be super helpful if you dropped by user:CzechOut/PI comparison and gave your thoughts on how closely the PI matches the NPI now that today's feedback has been incorporated. — CzechOut 02:10, August 16, 2016 (UTC)
Say, how do you think about a power called World Manipulation? It is basically a mix between Planetary Manipulation, Biological Manipulation and Civilization Manipulation, and allows to manipulate the world and all life on it. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:59, August 16, 2016 (UTC)
I think it is just moreso Planetary Lordship and Life Lordship. What about civilization? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 00:13, August 17, 2016 (UTC)
yeah, I noticed (well, the larger ones. haven't seen a smaller one yet). It seems to be the addition of the "px" that's causing it, since removing it returns it to normal. Gabriel456 (talk) 17:16, August 17, 2016 (UTC)
Because they have px connected to imagewidth. Just remove that and it's back to normal width. --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:30, August 17, 2016 (UTC)
Sorry to bother you again. What do you think of the idea of Exercise Manipulation? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 20:27, August 17, 2016 (UTC)
Alright, thanks! Why do think the Wii Fit Trainer would do though, exactly? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 20:52, August 17, 2016 (UTC)
What about in the original Wii Fit game? Can she/he use this power in that? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:11, August 17, 2016 (UTC)
Considering I have no idea what Fairy Fire does, not a clue. Is it magically created/manipulated fire? Then yes.
Animal Attraction - just to attract animals towards the User? Nothing more?
Conquer all she sees - by that do you mean she controls/rules anything/everything she can see or that she can take over/beat/win everything/anyone she sees? --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:17, August 18, 2016 (UTC)
12. No repeated Editing/Undoing of the same thing. If this becomes problem take it to Comments/Talk and talk it out instead of repeatedly messing with the page. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:04, August 20, 2016 (UTC)
Got example you'd use?
Incidentally, asking if you can certain thing and then not waiting for the answer... what was the point? --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:13, August 20, 2016 (UTC)
Say, Iwas thinking of making this power...
Enhanced Turning: The ability to make sharp, acute turns at any speed, even zero radius turns. With that, the user can not only change direction on the ground, but they can change direction in the air as well, while jumping, or making sharp flying turns, or leaping, etc. The user could also use this power to make awkward flight movements, by changing their direction to go up every time they start going down while moving forward. Or they could fly by continually changing direction upwards while counterbalancing gravity. The user could also launch themselves into the air by turning upwards while running on the ground.
But it is already, in a way, covered by Isoportation. Do you think making this would be worth it? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:29, August 20, 2016 (UTC)
Actually, I'm not sure yet. There would have to be valid users for this. However, I myself think its not really needed because we already have Space-Time Manipulation. Time and Space Magic however have differences, so for them they had enough reason to be made into magical versions of themselves.SDPanthera (talk) 14:51, August 21, 2016 (UTC)
I see. To be honest, though, I wasn't actually thinking of manipulating the concept of freedom itself when I thought of this, just theh power to liberate those who are subjugated. I could have used a better name. But you know, I still wanted to make that Liberation power. Wanted. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 08:17, August 22, 2016 (UTC)
Well, didn't see that coming. What about apower that frees others from their responsibilities and necessities (such as food)? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 08:38, August 22, 2016 (UTC)
I think Meta is the used form, in other words have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:14, August 22, 2016 (UTC)
honestly, I don't really care which you choose but if I had to, absolute may do Gabriel456 (talk) 20:15, August 22, 2016 (UTC)
That something is in one powers Applications doesn't mean it's that powers Sub-power. We'd have to add quite a few powers to Enhanced Condition if that was the case. --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:56, August 23, 2016 (UTC)
Say, what do you think of an idea I plan to make called Replication Sense? Basically, it is the ability for the user to sense which one is the original/the real/"belonging to them" object or person among the replicates of that object and person, whether factory produced, man made or clones. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 00:10, August 28, 2016 (UTC)
Sorry forgot to give you this yesterday Tsu :D
Imouto 14:35, September 4, 2016 (UTC)Imouto-tan (Talk)
We already have that power- Cosmic Creation.SageM (talk) 18:26, September 6, 2016 (UTC)SageM
Doesn't Cosmic Creation pretty much cover that? --Kuopiofi (talk) 18:51, September 6, 2016 (UTC)
Go ahead, might replace the astronomical objects on CC with AOC afterwards. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:08, September 6, 2016 (UTC)
Just do AOC. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:03, September 6, 2016 (UTC)
Take a look at which Manipulations are part of Astronomical Object Manipulation and check which of them have Creations. Add those to AOC as Variations. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:12, September 6, 2016 (UTC)
So you're basically saying that the user can change himself to anything he wnat whithout any limit? Idan647 (talk) 15:13, September 7, 2016 (UTC)
Ah okay :D
Kind of figured that much :D
Thanks Imouto 14:32, September 11, 2016 (UTC)Imouto-tan
Hey there, just wondering: What do you think of my two new powers? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:06, September 12, 2016 (UTC)
Glad you liked them, then. Thanks. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:19, September 12, 2016 (UTC)
By the way, do you know any good Applications and Associations for a power I plan to do called Past Creation? It allows one to create a new past for an object, person, place, event, anything, really. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 01:14, September 13, 2016 (UTC)
Anything else? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 02:35, September 13, 2016 (UTC)
Alright, thanks. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 02:56, September 13, 2016 (UTC)
Say, do you know of a user who can control their height or the length of their limbs without any stretchy or bendy effects? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 07:42, September 22, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks anyways. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 13:33, September 22, 2016 (UTC)
Sorry to bother you again, but do you think a power called Rescue Intuition would be a good idea? As in having intuition on rescuing situations? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 03:54, September 25, 2016 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:36, September 25, 2016 (UTC)
Soulmate Connection is love at the absolute level, and it can't be broken or destroyed.--Armyeater (talk) 02:45, September 27, 2016 (UTC)
Sounds like PA to me. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:33, September 29, 2016 (UTC)
Where do the art-based powers belong?
That's impossible. Every power belongs in one of those categories!
No, because with enough luck they could suddenly develop an immunity to luck erasure.--Armyeater (talk) 02:31, October 10, 2016 (UTC)
We are currently talking about luck so great that the user cannot fail. Even the laws of reality are rewritten for them.--Armyeater (talk) 02:51, October 10, 2016 (UTC)
It states in the capabilities that their luck is so great that the law of reality rewrite themselves to suit the user. So a user of meta luck could develop or already have an immunity to luck erasure, in fact users of it are so lucky that the powers of someone with luck erasure could simply stop working altogether.--Armyeater (talk) 02:59, October 10, 2016 (UTC)
Beating them is exactly what the user would be trying to do, so it would apply.--Armyeater (talk) 03:09, October 10, 2016 (UTC)
If no user of luck erasure ever has erased the luck of someone with meta luck then you have NOTHING to back up your claim and should stop.--Armyeater (talk) 03:13, October 10, 2016 (UTC)
Or with their luck no user of luck erasure would even try o erase their luck. We have no instances where users of these powers have clashed and even if we did multiversal differences could still apply.--Armyeater (talk) 03:23, October 10, 2016 (UTC)
I have given you at least half a dozen reasons why you are wrong. At this point you are just making yourself look like a stubborn idiot.--Armyeater (talk) 03:30, October 10, 2016 (UTC)
Meta luck is all about unique and seemingly impossible situations and you have done nothing to disprove my arguments, you only think you have/refuse to accept that you are wrong.--Armyeater (talk) 03:36, October 10, 2016 (UTC)
I have given you every reason in the book as to why I'm correct if you still can't accept that I'm right then you might want to get a brain transplant and hope you wind up smarter, at least you can't get dumber so you have that in your favor at least.--Armyeater (talk) 03:49, October 10, 2016 (UTC)
Well, you moved your argument to your Talk-pages so that's good.
As for the question, first remember that one example isn't enough to make something a rule. Second, power that is specifically focused against other one is generally able to do something to it, possibly even at most extreme levels. So if you add "may" on the Limitations, it should work. It depends on the relative power/skill of the opposing powers at this point really. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:45, October 10, 2016 (UTC)
Didn't notice you moved it on your own pages, so I Edited the message right before you posted your last one. :) --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:46, October 10, 2016 (UTC)
If nothing else I will admit that Kuopiofi is better with words than I, even managing to state what I had been trying to for hours with apparent ease. In any event it looks like we have our answer and I wish you better luck with your future edits, (assuming your future edits are correct).--Armyeater (talk) 05:01, October 10, 2016 (UTC)
Go ahead with both. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:04, October 10, 2016 (UTC)
I will stop with luck, for now, because only the ultimate level would have a chance against luck erasure.--Armyeater (talk) 05:20, October 10, 2016 (UTC)
That sounds reasonable idea. I don't think we have anything else that'd get closer. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:16, October 11, 2016 (UTC)
Double-Edged Power is the first thing to come to mind. Is it just her attacks or is her touch/presence lethal? Is it because she's too strong or is it just about the blow strength? --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:33, October 11, 2016 (UTC)
Those are tthe powers that come to mind, so you need to figure the details out yourself as you know what/who you're talking about. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:11, October 12, 2016 (UTC)
So attacks that are usually lethal and even when restricted nearly so? --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:52, October 12, 2016 (UTC)
Call it Lethal Attacks and have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:57, October 12, 2016 (UTC)
When you Edit please use only the section you're chancing. For some reason certain members full-page Edits mess up the collapsed Galleries and you're one of them. --Kuopiofi (talk) 14:13, October 15, 2016 (UTC)
The Attacks part? --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:31, October 16, 2016 (UTC)
As it is defined as "User transcends all limitations, weaknesses and boundaries of all nature.
This allows them to surpass their physical and mental limitations, resist negative effects (natural and supernatural), develop new abilities, correct their flaws, change their form, their mind and even their nature, essentially opening new worlds of possibilities with each use, or closing them when users aspire to a more simple life", why should it be defined as something it isn't made to be? --Kuopiofi (talk) 10:34, October 22, 2016 (UTC)
If you want to change the name, remember that it'll be your job to change the links to that page. --Kuopiofi (talk) 13:16, October 22, 2016 (UTC)
Point, go ahead. Remember to change the links and you might want to add it into Afterlife Manipulation and all it's Variations while you're at it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:51, October 25, 2016 (UTC)
It was called that for a reason
It was called Underworld Guardian for a very good reason, the normal afterlife doesn't need or require guardians, but the underworld does. Thats why I called it that in the first place.SageM (talk) 18:02, October 25, 2016 (UTC)SageM
Actually it is, and always has been the only one with a guardian. Heaven has never required guardians, nor has any other peaceful afterlife since the beginning of fiction. it has always only been the underworld or hell that requires them.
Trust me, I did my research when I made the page so I know what I am talking about.SageM (talk) 18:07, October 25, 2016 (UTC)SageM
Have you ever seen anyone in fiction want to actually leave heaven? Or ever bother the living while there(not counting the Supernatural series since that entire thing was a one-off in an attempt to contact god)?
No they don't and they haven't. Sure heavens gate may be the protector of heaven in VC, but her role is completely unnecessary as the inhabitants/souls of people in heaven would have no desire to leave and no reason or wish to bother the living or anyone else. Thus calling it afterlife guardian is meaningless. This power is only for those places where they dead would try to bother the living or try to escape the afterlife. Thats why its called a Paradise, in paradise you have no wish to bother or harm anyone and simply enjoy yourselves endlessly.
Like I said before, do more research first before you say things like that.SageM (talk) 18:19, October 25, 2016 (UTC)SageM
Well, at least you two took your argument from my Talk-page...
Boundary Transcendence is deleted so you should be able to rename MT. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:08, October 25, 2016 (UTC)
U-DO from Xenosaga is a user, and I think there are a few more, but I have to check.SageM (talk) 21:17, October 25, 2016 (UTC)SageM
Aside from boundaries, what else is there to transcend ?
Meta Transcendence was originally a perfect version of Self Transcendence, which is about surpassing one's limitations, simply replacing "Self" with "Meta" to reflect the limitlessness of this version. The relation with Boundary Manipulation arose later on, when realizing this logic was similar to BM on a personal level.
"they're not just outside of it, they're beyond everything on it, including everything by itself"
Er... what does that mean ? ^ ^; DYBAD (talk) 21:49, October 25, 2016 (UTC)
Actually if your transcending anything/everything/nothing, the wouldn't Omni-Transcendence be a better name instead?SageM (talk) 21:51, October 25, 2016 (UTC)SageM
Yes, since it fits the definition much better.SageM (talk) 21:58, October 25, 2016 (UTC)SageM
I mean, what's the actual difference between "outside" and "beyond" ? What is the clear-cut empirical line separating them ? The meaning seems so close in practice they could almost be synonymous. DYBAD (talk) 22:01, October 25, 2016 (UTC)
Hmm... now I think about it, isn't the metaphysical bonds tying you to the Totality a limitation in its own right ? Isn't gradually overcoming them the definition of "existential" transcendence ? DYBAD (talk) 22:06, October 25, 2016 (UTC)
So Omni-Transcendence would be essentially Omnipotence rather than Omnilock ?
I see ! So a transcendence-focused perspective on the more general Omnipotence. Hmm... seems harder to pull off than other forms/expressions, since transcendence is already a central feature of the normal version, while others are typically focused on functional/contextual specialization (Like Reality Dreaming, definitely Omnipotence-level but exotic enough to count as a power of its own).
I'm affraid that's exactly what the current Meta Transcendence is all about ^ ^; It relies on the concept of "limitations" is a broad sense, allowing you to become what you're currently not by selectively "phasing" through the metaphorical "roof/floor/wall" separating you from the desired state of being. DYBAD (talk) 22:33, October 25, 2016 (UTC)
Hmm... sounds good to me, though you should probably emphasize the "form/expression of Omnipotence" part in the definition, to avoid Omnipotence fans jumping at your throat ^ ^; DYBAD (talk) 22:35, October 25, 2016 (UTC)
Two other users for Omni-Transcendence- Empty Hand from DC/Ultra Comics and Overmonitor from DC Comics.SageM (talk) 22:43, October 25, 2016 (UTC)SageM
Empty Hand actually might be an even better example then Kami Tenchi for Omni-Transcendence, since he is a literal representation of the Reader(as in the real life person/people reading the story), in other words the reader literally transcends anything/everything and there is no way to fight or defeat it, as it either begin or end any/all fictional verses simply by beginning or stopping a story. and the reader even transcends the Alpha Reality and the Totality as well. Also without the reader the Authors work is meaningless, and could simply be shelved at a moments notice. Also while the author can exist inside the story in some form, the reader will always exist beyond it no matter what.SageM (talk) 05:53, October 26, 2016 (UTC)SageM
So is the difference between Meta Transcendence and Omni Transcendence cleared? Still want to make OT? --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:12, October 26, 2016 (UTC)
Abyss/Dark Abyss may have bit too strong connections to Hell and similar places. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:12, October 27, 2016 (UTC)
As far as I'm concerned, go ahead and add it. Just be prepared to explain the reasoning if people start to argue. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:13, October 28, 2016 (UTC)
When you Edit, please use only the section you're chancing. Fore some reason certain members full-page Edits mess up the collapsed Galleries and you're one of them. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:47, October 30, 2016 (UTC)
You're right about me not caring much about what you have to say, also I've read the manga and watched the anime regardless of their differences power levels are pretty much exactly the same; and regardless of whether or not he simulated the gravity or not he said it was just as strong as a black hole.--Armyeater (talk) 18:29, November 11, 2016 (UTC)
If standing on that is not strong enough then I will add the level back to supernatural strength.--Armyeater (talk) 18:31, November 11, 2016 (UTC)
I still know Saitama will get on absolute strength one day, but I re-added him to supernatural and recreated the levels.--Armyeater (talk) 18:54, November 11, 2016 (UTC)
It only says he was cleaved in two, it doesn't say he is actually dead. So its quite likely he is Incapacitated just like how garlic jr was.SageM (talk) 04:19, November 13, 2016 (UTC)SageM
He is still listed as being around in the next episode, as it says the fight continues between trunks and zamasu. So its best to be absolutely certain when it comes to matters like this.SageM (talk) 04:23, November 13, 2016 (UTC)SageM
It clearly lists the battle between them continues right on the page. So the fight is not completely over yet. This is the next episode, so like I said before its best to be certain on the matter.SageM (talk) 04:28, November 13, 2016 (UTC)SageM
For all we know, the attack could simply have defused them.SageM (talk) 04:31, November 13, 2016 (UTC)SageM
Bit too specific I'd say. --Kuopiofi (talk) 08:31, November 16, 2016 (UTC)
If Zamasu was only becoming the universe itself then why exactly did Zen-oh destroy the entire multiverse in order to stop him? Zamasu was not limited to the universe as his reach was spreading out everywhere and even beginning to break into the present from the future. And if you remember present zamasu was already destroyed so there should have been no place for him there to appear.SageM (talk) 22:23, November 20, 2016 (UTC)SageM
Also considering that the time ring was likely destroyed when Zamasu's body was, truly means it should have been impossible for him to enter the present era, let alone manifest part of himself there.SageM (talk) 22:27, November 20, 2016 (UTC)SageM
To settle this once and for all Imouto 15:00, November 26, 2016 (UTC)Imouto-tan
Please note the part where it said starts? "Anything" isn't very descriptive.
But you get the credit for chancing all pages at least this time. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:57, November 26, 2016 (UTC)
When you Edit, please use only the section you're chancing. Fore some reason certain members full-page Edits mess up the collapsed Galleries and you're one of them. Second warning.
I seriously hate when those I write answer before I get the edited version posted... --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:08, November 26, 2016 (UTC)
When you Edit, please use only the section you're chancing. Fore some reason certain members full-page Edits mess up the collapsed Galleries and you're one of them. Third warning. Didn't take long... --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:18, November 27, 2016 (UTC)
As long as you change all the links to that page, here. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:49, November 27, 2016 (UTC)
umm are the one who created the page almigthy ascension i think training regimen should be on the list why theres a zenith on the list training regimen should have the potential too dont you think and you can achive absolute feats on in training regimen i think we should put it inLudwigranola (talk) 16:51, November 27, 2016 (UTC)
Yes it is go ahead and remove Saitama Imouto 17:50, November 27, 2016 (UTC)Imouto-tan
but i know you can rival it u can transcend your own boundariesLudwigranola (talk) 01:09, November 28, 2016 (UTC)
zenith can also be achive by training regimen LOL XD you can already see it its already applied in absolute condition and ability transcede how can you still say its not valid and that page says it canachive to many forms you know almigthy ascension
geez Training regimen is associated with self transcendence means you can go higher lets example this goku as ssj god training will be enough rigth just look at him
Move in a sense of moving the target or in controlling the movements? Also, how long time that control lasts? --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:58, November 30, 2016 (UTC)
12. No repeated Editing/Undoing of the same thing. If this becomes problem take it to Comments/Talk and talk it out instead of repeatedly messing with the page. --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:48, December 2, 2016 (UTC)
Say, do you know any applications and associations for Prima Materia Manipulation, a power I plan to do, besides Alchemy, Matter Manipulation and Transmutation? Here is what it is in case you don't know what it is.
Hey man. Just wanted to tell you that the reason I removed some parts of Astronomical Object Manipulation is because few of them aren't actual celestial objects. After all, celestial objects is what you can see in outer space, such as planets, black holes, suns, stars, moons, asteroids, etc.
Things like quantum strings, dark matter, orbital force, and the void aren't celestial objects. The only exception would be orbital force as one would use that power to manipulate said celestial objects. Things like quantum strings and dark matter and the voids are more universal and spread out, being concepts, rather than physical objects like a asteroid and the like. SDPanthera (talk) 17:05, December 17, 2016 (UTC)
Ah okay, I just saw. Based on that, I'd agree, but the wikipedia page still has them as hypothetical things, and most people aren't really aware of things like quantum strings, dark matter and voids as actual celestial objects Not even things like White Holes are yet really confimed. More, I just checked the respective wikipedia pages of dark matter, voids and quantum/cosmic strings, and there is nothing about them that states them as actual celestial objects.
That said, however, I do agree they have a part to play, so maybe quantum strings, voids and dark matter could go under Associations for the page? SDPanthera (talk) 17:23, December 17, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, you told me about them. I believe one of them was Gaia, I think, which is pretty obvious as Uranus is the Sky.SDPanthera (talk) 23:44, December 17, 2016 (UTC)
No problem. i already found a very nice picture of Uranus. Just have to find another for Gaia. SDPanthera (talk) 00:00, December 18, 2016 (UTC)
It says transcend universal cycles. Plural not just one or two all of them. The power is way beyond life and death its like transcending a system that life and death still play a part in. --Я☻ҰĀℓğטĀЯб-Єℓ│דЄ (talk) 16:08, December 18, 2016 (UTC)
That really would not make sense which is why I made a point of putting in the capabilities that "Most high level beings, no matter how powerful/old, are only fulfilling their role in the current cycle they are in, and when that cycle ends they will as well."
Just because you transcend life and death does not mean you can transcend universe cycles. The Living Tribunal was way beyond life and death but he still succumbed to a cycle. Beginning, Middle and End. Also you can't get on here and tell other users what you think there power should do. Just because you created life and death transcendence doesn't mean I have to lessen the scope of my power to include yours. --Я☻ҰĀℓğטĀЯб-Єℓ│דЄ (talk) 16:20, December 18, 2016 (UTC)
That statement was in reference to high level marvel abstract who were born at the beginning of the current marvel verse. They represent important universal functions but they are still bound by the cycles of the universe. Also no, the title is correct. If you look on the cycle embodiment page that is everything this power transcends. So Beginning(Creation), Middle(Preservation) and End(Destruction). --Я☻ҰĀℓğטĀЯб-Єℓ│דЄ (talk) 16:32, December 18, 2016 (UTC)
After you've finished the argument with RG-E, we've had bit too many repeat Edits lately...
12. No repeated Editing/Undoing of the same thing. If this becomes problem take it to Comments/Talk and talk it out instead of repeatedly messing with the page. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:35, December 18, 2016 (UTC)
The only thing that defines my powers are the users and what they are capable of. I only tailor the powers I make to ideas I get from users. So no I am not just looking at the cycle embodiment page apps. I got the idea from death of the endless and the phoenix force which both have shown the ability to transcend cycles as I described it on the capabilities. --Я☻ҰĀℓğטĀЯб-Єℓ│דЄ (talk) 16:46, December 18, 2016 (UTC)
Death of the endless may be the personification of life and death but you know she is neither truly alive or dead so she still transcends them. Also life and death is only seen as beggining and end for low level species who are still bound by death. In fictional universes there are a lot of species who have exceeded that limitation a long time ago. Also Ouroboros is more like a cycle embodiment user. She is the cycle, I mean as you say she represents the concept of the eternal return.--Я☻ҰĀℓğטĀЯб-Єℓ│דЄ (talk) 16:59, December 18, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah it seems Chaos as you describe her could fit. Also maybe life and death transcendence is an aspect of conceptual transcendence. The reason I say that is because I looked at the page and it says any/all concepts. You can ask but I think it would be hard to make life and death a complete variation of that power. Я☻ҰĀℓğטĀЯб-Єℓ│דЄ (talk) 17:23, December 18, 2016 (UTC)
Say, do you know any good applications for Deformation Manipulation, which deals with stuff like this?
Sounds good, have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 17:48, January 2, 2017 (UTC)
Necessity and Compulsion are also aspects of fate.SageM (talk) 19:04, January 2, 2017 (UTC)SageM
Say, what do you think of this idea: Terrain Mode? It is the ability to have a mode that allows one act/have great mobility on all kinds of terrain, whether uneven, rough or steep. It is kind of like an off-road mode. Should I name it All-Terrain Mobility instead? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:11, January 2, 2017 (UTC)
And not sure if I can help you on that one. I can try and come up with something if you want't but, I don't know. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 22:34, January 2, 2017 (UTC)
Have you tried something related to chance? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 22:40, January 2, 2017 (UTC)
If you want a power that has been done here, how about Possibilities Embodiment?
Oh, by the way, for the name of my power, how is Enhanced Traction?
As for your power, again, maybe I should make a Climax Embodiment power to help? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 22:52, January 2, 2017 (UTC)
The ability to embody climax, which is "the most intense, exciting, or important point of something; a culmination or apex". To me, it is somewhere in the middle between beginning and end. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 22:56, January 2, 2017 (UTC)
Perhaps I should make Purpose Embodiment, then? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:03, January 2, 2017 (UTC)
I guess I will do that right now. BTW, you didn't answer my question for my other power. What do you think of the name, Enhanced Traction? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:09, January 2, 2017 (UTC)
It's another name for All-Terrain Mobility. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:14, January 2, 2017 (UTC)
"He is said to live since before the creation of the universe. When the universe is towards its end, he creates 11 rudras from him to destroy the universe for a new one to be created.
He expands himself as garbhodakshayi-vishnu in the beginning of the universe to create Brahman."
Shesha was the first being, before Brahman even existed, and thus is responsible for its existence.
This is referencing Ananta-Shesha under a different name, but its still the same being. In other words, Shesha created Brahman. And thus everything that is, was, wasn't, and so on and so on.
Ananta-Shesha is the only truly timeless and infinite being in Hindu mythology, as its name literally translates as Infinite One (Ananta) and He Who Remains (Shesha)
Brahman has a lifespan, while Ananta-Shesha has none. He will always exist unchanged and forever.SageM (talk) 06:24, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM
Hindu mythology is full of strange and random contradictions, so its best just to accept what little truth there is of it.SageM (talk) 06:27, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM
The Shin Megami Tensei series did the exact same thing as well, they have Brahman as one of the bosses you can fight, and its literally the same being from hindu mythology, and yet he was still created by The Great Will. ^^;;;
Well, it doesn't really matter I suppose, these are topics best left to theologians and philosphers....SageM (talk) 06:33, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM
Anyway, I am just going to see what Kuo says before I decide whether or not to make it.SageM (talk) 06:39, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM
This a power that exists above Totality Creation, the Alpha/Omni Reality is responsible for the Totality as it couldn't have even come into existence otherwise.
Currently there are only two true users of this power, and Kami Tenchi and the Chousin are not one of them.SageM (talk) 06:48, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM
"The Alpha Reality defines everything and all things are just products of AR such things as Logic, paradox, sub-reality, boundaries, principles, concepts and perceptions are all defined and only exist because they are all products of Alpha Reality."
The Alpha Reality by its very description is the source of the totality.
After all, how could the totality have a connection to everything if there wasn't originally something for it to connect too?SageM (talk) 07:00, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM
Totality Creation already exists as a power- Grand Design Construction. Alpha/Omni Reality Creation/Brahman Creation is the next step up. Hey, we have several powers that are said to be equal to or greater then omnipotence, so who is to say we can't have something higher then a totality? I mean after all we have something that exists outside of it- Omnilock.
Anyway, its up for Kuo decide at this point. So I am just going to see what he says first.
Till that happens will just let this conversation end here, ok?SageM (talk) 07:12, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM
More evidence of Shesha and Brahman's connection-
"the term Ananta used in the phrase: "anadi (begininngless) ananta (endless) akhanda (unbroken) sat-chit-ananda (being-consciousness-bliss)” refers to the Infinite, the single non-dual reality, It denotes Brahman."
Hard to argue with that. ^^;;SageM (talk) 07:41, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM
Do you mind spacing out the text you posted on Kuo's page? that way it doesn't look so run together, especially since you wrote an lot more on there then I did. Since I don't want him to think we were arguing on his talk page.
Thanks.SageM (talk) 07:50, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM
I have a user for your Grain Manipulation power idea- The Black King from Drifters.SageM (talk) 08:16, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM
If you've figured out how it works, go ahead. --Kuopiofi (talk) 10:20, January 3, 2017 (UTC)
Skadi from Gokukoku no Brynhildr has Absolute Precognition, what ever she sees happen will happen, no matter what. and cannot be avoided or changed.SageM (talk) 18:49, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM
The edit you made was not only unnecessary, its already a different power- Cosmic Keystone.
I framed the power the way it is because otherwise it sounds like a power thats already on here.SageM (talk) 20:46, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM
Actually it does make sense, Since the Alpha Reality is the creator, as it creates all of creation/realities.
If your creating the Alpha Reality your creating the very thing that creates things. Thus Creating the Creator.SageM (talk) 20:53, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM
Also the point is to keep the powers separate, while the Alpha Reality may be the Cosmic Keystone, its not considered as part of the capabilities of omni reality creation. So it was unnecessary.SageM (talk) 20:55, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM
Not quite there... --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:59, January 3, 2017 (UTC)
Flawless Precognition works, others could be Also Called. --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:02, January 3, 2017 (UTC)
Actually creating the Creator would actually be physically possible, through heavy use of Paradox Manipulation, Logic Manipulation/Metapotence and a dash of time travel. Though the insane contradictions that would arise from such an act would like screw up the basic workings of existence.... ^^SageM (talk) 21:10, January 3, 2017 (UTC)SageM
seems good to me, have at it Gabriel456 (talk) 00:33, January 4, 2017 (UTC)
Heh heh! That is why I asked. Some luck power must have already been done before it, huh? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 01:15, January 4, 2017 (UTC)
Say, what about this? Disembodiment. It is the power to exist without a body or form. Would that work? I still have to get approval for it, but what do you think? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 01:59, January 4, 2017 (UTC)
How is this then? Form Removal? It should be self-explanatory. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 02:03, January 4, 2017 (UTC)
Future Antecipation? --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:47, January 4, 2017 (UTC)
Doable but needs very good description. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:22, January 4, 2017 (UTC)
Say, has Statistical Manipulation, a power yet to get approved, been done before? Basically, it is the power to see all the possibilities, such as actions, reactions and results of any decision, and make it so one of those things happens. This would be different from Accelerated Probability in that it is not limited to what the user themselves could take. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 03:51, January 5, 2017 (UTC)
Say, do you have any applications and associations for that Future Deceleration power I am going to make? The one that delays the future instead of accelerating it? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 17:03, January 5, 2017 (UTC)
Go ahead, just remember to change the links. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:17, January 5, 2017 (UTC)
Say, is Future Acceleration going to be a separate power from Future Order Manipulation, still? Just wondering. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 20:18, January 5, 2017 (UTC)
What I meant was, if so, do you want to make it?
Kuopiofi did say go ahead with the name change, by the way, in case you missed his message above. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 20:24, January 5, 2017 (UTC)
Soo... is Future Acceleration to be be done or is it going to be only Future Order Manipulation? Cause that thing about chancing links is still in force. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:44, January 5, 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, I will do Future Acceleration myself. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:05, January 5, 2017 (UTC)
Could you clarify that, please? Sorry for not understanding. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:41, January 5, 2017 (UTC)
Possibility Manipulation just manipulates what is possible, like what the laws of physics would or would not allow. This one chooses which event/consequence comes into being. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:47, January 5, 2017 (UTC)
Forthe first few questions, pretty much.
As for the last question about Future Order Manipulation, maybe, and perhaps Future Manipulation, too. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:58, January 5, 2017 (UTC)
BTW, what do you think of Xeno-Accelerated Probability? It is like Accelerated Probability, but it sees the possible consequences of others' actions rather than the user's own. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 22:15, January 5, 2017 (UTC)
Say, do you know a user for Unknown Manipulation? Basically, it is the ability to manipulate what is generally or completely unknown to any/everyone. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:30, January 15, 2017 (UTC)
What about Uncertainty Manipulation and Pataphysics Manipulation? Would this work as a sub power of those powers or do those powers truly cover Unknown Manipulation? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:48, January 15, 2017 (UTC)
Well, SageM did say that Uncertainty Manipulation covers Unknown Manipulation, as it is also called Unknown Warping. Maybe I should call it Mystery Manipulation instead? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 00:03, January 16, 2017 (UTC)
Well, if you say so. I'll still wait to see if Sage has anything to say on the matter. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 00:06, January 16, 2017 (UTC)
Uncertainty deals with imperfect or unknown information, thats the literal defintion of uncertainty. It even says so on not just the wikipedia article but even in the actual dictionary definition of the word as well.
Sorry but there is no difference.SageM (talk) 00:11, January 16, 2017 (UTC)SageM
"Uncertainty is a situation which involves imperfect and/or unknown information. However, "uncertainty is an unintelligible expression without a straightforward description". It arises in subtly different ways in a number of fields, including insurance, philosophy, physics, statistics, economics, finance, psychology, sociology, engineering, metrology, and information science. It applies to predictions of future events, to physical measurements that are already made, or to the unknown. Uncertainty arises in partially observable and/or stochastic environments, as well as due to ignorance and/or indolence."
Seriously, its the definition of uncertainty.
for example we can't say what the weather will be like tomorrow, as its an unknown. as only time will tell what it is. sure we can guess but no matter what its an unknown and uncertain factor.
Thats what uncertainty is and has always been.SageM (talk) 00:17, January 16, 2017 (UTC)SageM
What if I were to change it so the power were to manipulate unknown matter and energies, and maybe even concepts, and not just what isn't known to anyone? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 00:22, January 16, 2017 (UTC)
Uncertainty is literally another name for Unknown, and the reverse is true as well. There the same exact thing just with a different name. There is no difference between them, despite what you may think.
Sorry but thats how it has always been. Seriously I have both a dictionary and thesaurus in front of me and they both say the exact same thing. If you can't believe the dictionary's definition then you are disbelieving the actual meaning of the word. ^^;;SageM (talk) 00:26, January 16, 2017 (UTC)SageM
Say, do you have any applications/associations for Malfunction Inducement and Malfunction Manipulation? Basically, those powers can induce and manipulate malfunctions and glitches, in machines, biological systems and even spacetime/reality/physical laws. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:32, January 27, 2017 (UTC)
Hello there. You know a good user for Spatial Direction Manipulation? Basically, this manipulates a direction and everything in it. So basically, this makes west become east, east become north, north become south, you get the idea. Everything in that direction is also rearranged into another direction, and space may be rearranged/pushed aside for those directions as well. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:19, January 29, 2017 (UTC)
Say, you know some good applications for Consequence Creation and Consequence Removal? Basically, those powers create and remove (respectively) consequences of possible courses of action. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:28, February 2, 2017 (UTC)
It's bit easier with Greek Mythology as they have both protogenoi and daimons, which literally are the things. --Kuopiofi (talk) 13:24, February 4, 2017 (UTC)
Doable, have fun. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:32, February 10, 2017 (UTC)
Neith is said to have been "born the first, in the time when as yet there had been no birth"
This statement applies to all versions of neith, not just one. Thus she is not a user.SageM (talk) 21:14, February 10, 2017 (UTC)SageM
Doable, but please no element-specific variations. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:17, February 22, 2017 (UTC)
a user for your power.
Hi, I have a user for your Elemental Guardianship power idea- Arc from Arc The Lad, who was chosen by the 5 elemental spirits to be their protector and representative and thus by extension acts as guardian of the elemental powers.`SageM (talk) 21:26, February 24, 2017 (UTC)SageM
Alright, thanks. And Nemesis from what series? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:02, February 28, 2017 (UTC)
Hmm sounds like a good idea to me 👍 Imouto 12:17, March 9, 2017 (UTC)Imouto-tan
Yo there, do you know any possible applications and associations for Sequence Manipulation and Problem Manipulation? The latter is the ability to manipulate problems, making them worse, making them solved or just altering them, while the former manipulates the sequence of, well, anything. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 00:06, March 15, 2017 (UTC)
12. No repeated Editing/Undoing of the same thing. If this becomes problem take it to Comments/Talk and talk it out instead of repeatedly messing with the page. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:27, March 18, 2017 (UTC)
I know, just making a point before things escalate. -_-; --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:38, March 18, 2017 (UTC)
Since Logic, is the base of all phenomena, transcending it grants the user the power to ignore and transcend all rules of logic, reason and understanding. User is able to do anything without any limit or condition, including the conceptually impossible and logically impossible feats.
Hello there, I was thinking of making an Embodiment Manipulation page. It would be the ability to manipulate embodiments of anything. Now, I tried doing that last year, but Kuo wouldm't let me, for he said, "It's essentially indirect Reality Warping/Nigh Omnipotence by manipulating the Embodiments." Just wondering; what do you think of this reasoning? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:19, March 31, 2017 (UTC)
I did not think it was indriect Reality Warping or Nigh Omnipotence anyway. I mean, each embodiment is different in terms of what is represented. How could that be manipulating reality, anyway? You think I should give it another try? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 21:30, March 31, 2017 (UTC)
Say, for Avatar Manipulation, would this also make this different from Reality Warping: working only on people and objects that embody things rather than reality as a whole? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 14:56, April 1, 2017 (UTC)
Can I put something like transcendent omnipotence ? - VarunpMenon
Say, what do you think of this idea? Prime Mover Manipulation. Basically, this is the ability to manipulate the source of all motion in the universe. With this power, one could alter and enhance all motion as well as stopping it completely. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:57, April 5, 2017 (UTC)
Strange. Last time I checked, Motion Manipulation was more of Speed Manipulation. I checked again, and did not expect to see that change. CrystalStorm51 (talk) 00:13, April 6, 2017 (UTC)
12. No repeated Editing/Undoing of the same thing. If this becomes problem take it to Comments/Talk and talk it out instead of repeatedly messing with the page. --Kuopiofi (talk) 06:49, April 24, 2017 (UTC)
That pretty much cheering someone. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:32, November 25, 2017 (UTC)
Hi brother, I'd like to discuss a few things with you. Can we, if not inconvenient?
1- Totality includes EVERYTHING, so include our universe where I am writing this message for you there. Our own universe and all that it contains and everything it is, ie, our own universe (with its physical laws, mathematical laws, laws of logic, properties, contents, truths, structure, etc ...?
Tsubasa16 I made new comments on the Omnipotence page you can reply on and check out.
Also I think you are interesting and cool.
One question I have about you is what is your avatar picture. I've never seen that avatar picture before.--Pokemonfan807 (talk) 20:56, August 15, 2018 (UTC)
Its an maybe limitation, and will always be a maybe limitation.
Sorry but it stays the way it is.
Besides the main user of the power has already manipulated two of the known users of life and death transcendence, which means that they aren't immune (and they are powerful as their original counterparts are in shin megami tensei, so the point stands)
its not going to be changed, so just leave it alone.SageM (talk) 23:55, September 18, 2018 (UTC)SageM
Also consider that ALM is a sub-power of Author Authority, which can easily control the lives of even users of Life and Death Transcendence, and remember that AA doesn't have limitations, which means that your point is considered to be invalid and thus the power stays as is.SageM (talk) 23:59, September 18, 2018 (UTC)SageM
Anyway sageM don't be so harsh to tsubasa16. Hes a user just like you and me.--Pokemonfan807 (talk) 00:05, September 19, 2018 (UTC)
SageM i think you are really annoying sometimes. I don't mind you but sometimes you can get really annoying and act bossy. Anyway im done talking to you so leave tsubasa16 alone and PISS OFF.--Pokemonfan807 (talk) 00:07, September 19, 2018 (UTC)
There's something like that with Fairy Tail characters on the main pic, but that's about all I can remember. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:16, September 19, 2018 (UTC)
He was quite clear about it not having limitations.
DYBADs comment on the page itself was pretty clear on that. Nonexistence has no exceptions, because if it does then its not considered nonexistence anymore.
Absolute Restoration would really only count as a limitation for Erasure instead.
At this point I would say his answer is always going to be the same thing, which is No.
He has made himself quite clear on that fact, and he won't accept any limitations to the power except for omnificence. So asking him isn't going to get you anywhere.
Especially since he removed all the previous limitations that were added, and kept removing them everytime someone added them back or added new ones.
So asking him to add a limitation because of how it works isn't going to cut it with him, as he said the same exact thing about Omnilock.SageM (talk) 19:54, September 21, 2018 (UTC)SageM
Also I am pretty sure that someone added Absolute Restoration to the limitations once before, and it was still removed in the end.
Since thats the case, it stands to reason that he isn't going to accept it as a limitation anyway.SageM (talk) 19:58, September 21, 2018 (UTC)SageM
He already answered the question in the comments on Nonexistence-
DYBAB's Comment- "Nonexistence is Omnipotence entirely focused on pure erasure. So if Omnipotence bears no exception in general, it goes double for Nonexistence in this specific field.
Imagine two Omnipotents would meet and somehow end up fighting seriously. Obviously they can counter whatever they throw at each other. The only way to land a decisive blow would be to focus the totality of their power into the most effective weapon possible.
That's Nonexistence : 100% weaponized Omnipotence for the most ultimate efficiency ever.
So no exception at all by its very essence. If it has any, the power simply isn't Nonexistence."
That's why I said there is no point in asking him, as he already answered the question and he's not going to change his mind on this.
He made that clear countless times, its just that other users want to ignore that and post limitations anyway.
I don't know why you can't accept that.
I am not answering for him, I am simply showing you that he already answered your question on the actual page itself. And he even said so in the arguments about it before.
The comment clearly states that if it has an exception then its no longer Nonexistence.
Also considering the page is locked, and isn't likely going to be unlocked any time soon (if ever again because of these edit wars) then asking him about it isn't going to do much good.
And I seriously doubt that Kuo will unlock it, so its pretty much a closed argument at this point...
If you want to comment about it on the actual page, your likely to have better luck getting a response from him.SageM (talk) 20:56, September 21, 2018 (UTC)SageM
hello from pokemonfan807
Thanks for the edit.
Wanna be firends tsubasa16. I think your cool.
Also what's your avatar picture.--Pokemonfan807 (talk) 21:02, September 21, 2018 (UTC)
Okay but I still want to know what your avatar picture is and where did you get it cause it looks cool.--Pokemonfan807 (talk) 21:23, September 21, 2018 (UTC)
I asked about that very power a while back, and Kuo said that there isn't any limitations on how long or how strong an induced curse can be.
So he basically turned the idea down.SageM (talk) 00:31, September 23, 2018 (UTC)SageM
You know that one of your powers to do was already made- Multipresence.
You might want to remove that from your to do list.SageM (talk) 00:55, September 23, 2018 (UTC)SageM
Pretty much what he said above. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:29, September 23, 2018 (UTC)
Stop removing valid categories from pages that fit them.SageM (talk) 01:36, September 25, 2018 (UTC)SageM
its basically Author Authority used in a different way, and connected to the Grand Design Construction as well.
Reality Playing only goes so far, and requires the use of games to actually function.
Stage Manipulation doesn't have those limitations, so it fits as an omnipotent power. Since it can do all that reality playing can do, and then some.SageM (talk) 01:45, September 25, 2018 (UTC)SageM
Its a variation of Omniarch. Which is a power of omnipotence, and its capable of meta summoning as well as gaining favors from the author or supreme being.
Sounds like an omnipotent power to me.SageM (talk) 01:48, September 25, 2018 (UTC)SageM
Think about this way.
If a user of Author Authority is the author/writer of reality, then a user of Stage Manipulation would be the director of reality (the same way movies, tv shows and plays all have directors).SageM (talk) 02:05, September 25, 2018 (UTC)SageM
I was just giving a better description of it from last message.SageM (talk) 02:13, September 25, 2018 (UTC)SageM
Isn't that pretty much same thing? --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:34, October 15, 2018 (UTC)
Well, considering that AD's opposite number is Omnificence on the Applications of OP instead of Examples like Nonexistence. Meant ot mention that on the previous post, but there was few other things going on the same time and I forgot. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:15, October 16, 2018 (UTC)
Moved to Applications/Negations, feels like the best fit. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:59, October 16, 2018 (UTC)
That is correct
Your assumption is completely correct Imouto 01:55, October 18, 2018 (UTC)Imouto-tan
On it thanks for reminding me to do so ;) Imouto 02:13, October 18, 2018 (UTC)Imouto-tan
Kuo agreed to the terms for the power, which means the applications can stay the way they are.
Imouto also agreed with Kuo's comment.
The applications can stay. please don't remove them.SageM (talk) 23:34, October 19, 2018 (UTC)SageM
Name isn't that good but idea is usable. Go ahead. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:23, October 27, 2018 (UTC)
Might as well go with support. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:14, October 27, 2018 (UTC)
Say, Tsubasa, do we have a power like Altered Interaction? Basically, it is the ability to interact with things differently than others. Like walking on a trampoline as if it were a rigid, non bouncy surface, and hitting a pillow and instead of sensing it as soft, it is hard as a brick wall, all to the user and no one else. It is not Altered Physics because the user still has the same physics as everyone else. Do we have a power like that? CrystalStorm51 (talk) 23:57, October 27, 2018 (UTC)
You changed my edit. Dick move tsubasa16--Pokemonfan807 (talk) 02:10, November 4, 2018 (UTC)
Go ahead. Check if it has almighty power category while you're at it and add it if it isn't there yet. --Kuopiofi (talk) 19:43, November 9, 2018 (UTC)
Full OP is given and it covers all of its Variations, omnipotent powers category is bit trickier as at least the ones on the top are pretty much unbeatable without same level and opposite power.
However, those under the specific examples are bit trickier and I think that at least some of them could be beaten by MC. Might need to check op category for powers that don't really belong there. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:20, November 9, 2018 (UTC)
"the ones on the top are pretty much unbeatable without same level and opposite power."
Either we remove Logic Manipulation from MC (as it is OP and the thing that allows MC to beat anything less than full OP) or accept that Users don't really fill the full potential of the power. It comes pretty much that. --Kuopiofi (talk) 20:50, November 9, 2018 (UTC)
As I said, either we keep LM on Applications and accept that Users don't really belong there, or change something on the power itself (meaning LM as it's the thing that deals with OP) and keep the Users.
Before I added LM to Applications, it had Logic Defiance. And as said, there's nothing in the description that actually says it's OP power, aside of God in Capabilities. --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:07, November 9, 2018 (UTC)
It was meant for both.
Personally I'm tending towards returning Logic Defiance and op categories.
And sometimes absolute and meta are different. Compare Absolute Combat and Meta Combat: AC is pinnacle of fighting power, MC can tell logic/reality go to corner and cry. --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:23, November 9, 2018 (UTC)
Yes to both, I'd just prefer not to have to listen the complaining. In this case, either way, one of you would keep going.
And I'd like to be able to get to bed pretty soon, it's nearing midnight here and my vision is starting to gt fuzzy... --Kuopiofi (talk) 21:31, November 9, 2018 (UTC)
20b. When you Edit powers to sub-powers, techniques, variations, etc. of some other power, add the change to those pages.
Omnipotence needs to be shown as a limitation, as because of the way the power is described some people could take it out of context and think it could affect Omnipotence- The very thing that nothing can ever exert its influence on or ever resist the influence of no matter what it is.
12. No repeated Editing/Undoing of the same thing. If this becomes problem take it to Comments/Talk and talk it out instead of repeatedly messing with the page. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:46, November 18, 2018 (UTC)
Try to get Imouto do it, I got whined about it when I didn't do it. --Kuopiofi (talk) 10:46, November 18, 2018 (UTC)
21. If you make a general type of change on power that is one of a series of similar powers (for example one of the Construct Creations, Attack Powers, etc.), it's your job to add/make the same change in every page of the series.
the minor gods are reffered to as Daimons, embodiments are the personifications of these things correct? Lyssa was the personification of mad rage and frenzy right but that's not madness, that's mindless fury and the inability to come back from rage, more wrathful than anything else. The Maniae are the spirits of madness and such but they do not embody the concept of madness, they are born from it and have power from it, just as some traits from frenzy and mad rage could be described as "mad" but not true madness HadesForBestGod25 (talk) (HadesForBestGod25 )
"The user of this power can become the embodiment of war." "Not all users have to be a literal embodiment, being a representation of/representing something also counts. Athena and Ares represented the strategic and violent aspects of war, respectively"
i would, i don't know.. think that yes, they have to be the embodiment, i mean look at Sky embodiment - or ocean embodiment, do you see Zeus or Poseidon? what about solar embodiment? do you see Apollo? Lunar Embodiment with Artemis? i don't believe so, Ares and Athena don't fit, Minerva isn't even a war goddess as well.
"Embodiments" powers covers all sorts of represetation of something, from simply, well, representing, to being a manifestation or personifying and embodying. Lots of embodiment powers also have users who representation or manifestation of something, and aren't the literal thing Tsubasa16 (talk) 23:03, November 24, 2018 (UTC)
then maybe the word should be changed from embodiment, because that's what it means, personification and no, they may represent but that doesn't mean they personify those parts of war, Enyo did and on each page for the embodiments may i remind you that they put in "Also called" things like "The Sky" or "The Heavens" further proving my point that they actually have to be embodiments and back to your point that a lot of users aren't actual embodiments.. doesn't that just make people who put them there wrong? here are some links - just for Ares - to farther prove my point on him *not* embodying war -
https://riordan.wikia.com/wiki/Ares (I'm sure if you know a bit about mythology that you've read this series, if not, ignore this link)
http://www.theoi.com/Olympios/Ares.htmlhttps://www.britannica.com/topic/Ares-Greek-mythologyhttps://greekmythology.wikia.com/wiki/Ares (again on this wiki it states that he represents but does not embody war.)
now also! Hephaestus and Hestia, their roman counterparts too don't embody fire just as Thetis, the goddess of water does not embody water, Hestia may control flame but she's not the technical goddess of it either, she's the goddess of the hearth, Hephaestus is the god of fire and of volcanoes but he doesn't embody fire either
no actually, i used the Riordan wiki because as much as it is only based off of mythology.. MOST *not all* MOST of it is true to mythology itself, i also used Britannica.com which is reliable and if you truly want more links that are mre reliable i have some more, they don't embody it and telling me to not remove them again sounds borderline agressive i'm sorry, they may represent these fields of war but they don't embody them, they don't personify them
and one last thing, saying someone should just stop removintg things and in fact, add others to pages instead sounds more agressive than it might've been meant, seriously, i disagree with you on this to the point that hell, why not make a page for things that represent but don't embody things? because seriously, from all online sources i have found no, they don't embody war, they merely represent it, i plan to study mythology in university and have already done lengthy study of it in highschool where i am now, i have whole lists of deities from Greek and Roman mythology, i think i'm at least a bit qualified to talk about this because i know what i'm talking about. (MythologyNerd132 )
As verbs the difference between represent and embody
is that represent is to present again or anew; to present by means of something standing in the place of; to exhibit the counterpart or image of; to typify while embody is to represent in a physical form; to incarnate or personify.
Ares and Athena are not War incarnate and that is what the page says correct? embodying war but they don't, and if your going to say: "Because as i already explained, the "Embodiment" powers cover all sorts or representation, such as personifying, incarnating, manifesting, representing, and embodiment. they are all covered by the "embodiment" power, there is no need to make a separate power because literally the only difference would be the Power's name." but no, you're wrong, the difference would be that one is quite literally war, they personify it in every way, thats what embodiment means, embodiment doesn't mean representing something, it means being something, personifying the concept, the thing itself and you also mention that embodiments cover things other than embodiments/personification.. that does defeat the purpose of giving it a name sort-of, does it not?
one last thing, you say my sources are less reliable than a website able to be accessed by millions - if not more people, who can edit and do with the page what they see fit? my sources are entirely valid - except possibly the Riordan wiki - and honestly, by keeping this argument going.. why not go to another member of the community such as SageM and see what he says? because in all honesty this argument.. i'm prepared to keep arguing but it will become tedious for the both of us soon and we won't reach any sort of answer.
One last thing! to prove i do know at least partially what i'm talking about: i added Hydros, the primordial water deity to the primordial page last night and it seems no one has a problem with it, i've done various edits to various pages beside war and fire embodiment on this account and previous ones *though not for a year or so*
"Just drop it"? no, sorry but i still don't think that those gods being listed is right, if you want to use things like that and i don't think i'm removing valid powers, i still think that yes, Ares and Athena represent war but they are *not* war itself, they are simply represting parts of it, not the entireity of it, they don't personify war, they don't embody it.. the way the wiki has things run by having all Representations in one place with embodiments and personifications seems just silly.. i'd actually like to see what one of the admins has to say on the matter because as i mentioned before, bickering about it is never fun though i may have to actually leave the argument here because of irl reasons.
You'll need to explain the reasoning when people ask/complain about it tho. Considering how many questions/powers I deal on this site daily, I won't be able to remember details. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:56, December 7, 2018 (UTC)
Of course it's less than OP, it's the part of OP that only destroys. --Kuopiofi (talk) 16:42, December 19, 2018 (UTC)
Locked for one week. --Kuopiofi (talk) 05:14, January 16, 2019 (UTC)
Locked for one week. --Kuopiofi (talk) 04:53, July 1, 2019 (UTC)
It was decided by no one but you. I have seen your tons of messages on DYBAD's page regarding this but no reply came from him. In fact if we go by the logic "defeating this power equals defeating an Omnipotent being" then not only this is true for most all-powerful Omnipotent Powers but also there is the small fact that an Omnipotent being can defeat even themselves otherwise there will be a thing that Omnipotence cannot achieve which is why those powers that are supposedly as powerful as Omniptence in a specific field can be defeated by Omnipotence. This is the reason that even Ultipotence which is equal to Omnipotence in power has Omnipotence as a limitation because an Omnipotent being can defeat all including themselves. So, cut the bs.Nekron2 (talk) 14:37, July 1, 2019 (UTC)
" "someone comes in with his power and say that this power cannot be defeated even by Omnipotence because they "decided"
I dunno where you saw i even said that lol. It is literally "Absolute Chamge is a literal form of being Omnipotence, adding Omnipotence as a limitation to it is redudant, it's like adding Omnipotence as a limitation on itself".
So yeah, could you stop saying that i am saying stuff i didn't? thanks"
Saying that absolute change cannot have any limitations on it and removing Omnipotence from the limitations seems pretty much the exact same thing I said. You are basically saying that Omnipotence isnt a limitation to Absolute Change and then saying I never said that Omnipotence isn't immune to absolute change. I mean what? I can say only one thing about you that your logic is over 9000.Nekron2 (talk) 14:45, July 1, 2019 (UTC)
"Except you go by the wrong assumption that "All Omnipotent powers are Forms/Variations of Omnipotence", which they are not. Most of them are Sub-Powers, and the ones that are Variations/Forms do not have any limitations as well."
Did you see that I said all-powerful Omnipotent powers? Well, All-powerful means I was talking about other forms/expressions of omnipotence.
"Ultipotence is "inferior" to Omnipotence simply because the user cannot attain Omniscience, which Omnipotence has. That's quite literally the only different between them."
You just proved my point and I was waiting for this. By this very logic I am saying that all forms and expressions of Omnipotence are "inferior" to it. By your logic Ultipotece is inferior to Omnipotence because it cannot the user Omniscient and thus cannot make themselves fully omnipotent? So, can Absolute change turn you into an omnipotent being? No? But an omnipotent being sure can create another Omnipotent being. This is why it is exactly the same as Ultipotence, a form/expression can never equal Omnipotence and will always be inferior to it because of the simple fact that unlike Omnipotence it cannot create another Omnipotent being and thus adding Omnipotence to the limitations of forms/expressions is not redundant.Nekron2 (talk) 15:01, July 1, 2019 (UTC)
It's locked to keep the edit/undo mess starting and, you know, actually make you people talk about it instead of making a mess.
There may be few powers with OP as Limitations, but that's very rare as it's obvious. OP trumps everything, and as Metapotence is "Simplified variation of Omnipotence", I personally consider it just shortened version of OP. --Kuopiofi (talk) 15:53, July 1, 2019 (UTC)